kalbir

On 3/15/2024 at 1:08 PM, soapfan770 said:

Unfortunately folks like Smith, Latham, and MAB & Co. made some of the most bone headed and reckless decisions ever

Jill parentage (2003), Cassie death (2005), and John Abbott death (2006) were the trifecta that lead to the end of Y&R as we knew it.

1 hour ago, soapfan770 said:

2024 is the 30th anniversary of Nick and Sharon so I’ll assume at some point the show will have special episodes surrounding them. I’ll just say JM’s Nick gets way too much airtime even in the supporting role he has lately, and now Nick is sniffing around Phyllis again? Yuck!

Joshua Morrow 30th anniversary in June and Sharon Case 30th anniversary in September.

1 hour ago, YRfan23 said:

I'd be all for just killing Nick off for his 30th anniversary! 

Are you giving Josh Griffith an idea?

I think we're stuck w/ Joshua Morrow until Y&R ends.

2 hours ago, j swift said:

Even early 90210 marketing, tries to avoid the use of the term soap opera at all costs. 

IIRC, 90210 first season was promoted as a teen drama and the episodes were mostly self-contained. When the show blew up with the Summer 1991 episodes, that's when I think it became more soapy.

16 minutes ago, j swift said:

The pairing of Dukes of Hazard and Dallas always seemed weird to me

That pairing worked because both shows appealed to the male audience. Dallas was always the more male-focused of the CBS primetime soaps.

20 hours ago, soapfan770 said:

Is Hotel worth re-watching?

12 hours ago, soapfan770 said:

And I’m confused how Hotel got labeled as a soap opera to begin with…

I watched some of Hotel a few years back and I was not impressed. I thought of it as The Love Boat on land but a little soapier. It got the soap opera label from being Dynasty's lead out.

Thanks for the videos and pictures of The Hollywood Show @Soapsuds. Were you there?

7 hours ago, NothinButAttitude said:

I don't even wanna give light to Marcus. I just think he's utter trash. Michael and Juanita, come grab your loser son. 

 Marcus is the weak link of Michael Jordan's adult children.

OMG I never thought that CBS would launch a new daytime soap. Fingers crossed this works.

1 hour ago, GLATWT88 said:

Did CBS aquire that 10am timeslot again for the Let's Make a Deal reboot or is LMAD just in GL's timeslot according to market. I ask because GL was on at 10am in NYC and that's the timeslot LMAD took over. Would make it sense to be paired back to back with TPIR. 

Let's Make a Deal official time slot is 3 pm ET but I think its safe to say that the affiliates which aired GL in the morning just replaced it w/ LMaD.

30 minutes ago, soapfan770 said:

What I’m curious by is why did TVG think one of the game shows was a goner for the upcoming B&B? CBS had just ended the programming the 4PM slot, did someone think they could maybe save Capitol by moving it to a late AM timeslot? No way could I see TPIR getting bumped ahead at a time when the big three where already quietly turning back the 10AM ET slot back over the affiliates as well. 

CBS had three daytime game shows as of September 29, 1986: 10 am ET $25000 Pyramid, 10:30 am ET Card Sharks, 11 am ET The Price is Right. If one of the game shows was going to go, I'd say $25000 Pyramid was the most likely.

Card Sharks was not going anywhere because Mark Goodson allegedly demanded CBS to give Card Sharks the lead in to The Price is Right, otherwise he'd take both shows to another network. Bill Bell also allegedly demanded that CBS give B&B the lead out from Y&R, otherwise he'd take both shows to another network. I don't think CBS was going to risk losing their two biggest daytime shows The Price is Right and Y&R.

So 1987 we could have gotten

10 am Capitol

10:30 am Card Sharks

11 am The Price is Right

noon Local programming

12:30 pm Y&R

1:30 pm B&B

2 pm As the World Turns

3 pm Guiding Light

As for 10 am ET, ABC didn't program anything in that slot from the 1970s onward AFAIK, NBC gave it up in 1991, and CBS gave it up in 1993.

4 minutes ago, soapfan770 said:

1991 GL was fantastic but I do think the high number of fan favorites that departed put a damper in the ratings. At least the show did stabilize in ratings for a few years there. 

The 1991 improvement in ratings came not long after JFP arrived. While JFP first year was still good, I feel that it coasted off the groundwork laid during the Calhoun era and the ratings improvement was helped by ABC's big three tanking at various times during that year and Days being in their post-supercouple/pre-Reilly mess era.

4 hours ago, P.J. said:

Wow...I'd forgotten GL had such a mass exodus. In a little less than a year, they lost Reva, Josh, Philip, Beth, Rick, Johnny, Chelsea, and recast Alan-Michael with Rick Hearst. While Johnny and Chelsea are negligible, there's a lot of history tied up in the other characters. Major upheavals like that usually leave shows floundering.

I don't remember Johnny departure, was it sometime in Spring 1990 after the Chelsea stalker storyline wrapped up?

The timeline for the characters you listed were July 1990 Reva car accident and Alan-Michael recast; January 1991 Josh, Rick, Chelsea departures; February 1991 Phillip and Beth departures. Also January 1991 was the HW change from Pamela Long to Nancy Curlee.

The Calhoun/Curlee era was January-July 1991 and while I enjoyed that era, the ratings didn't reflect the quality of the show.

12 minutes ago, soapfan770 said:

ABC was dealing with a different sort of animal at the time. Maybe soon we’ll examine the disaster that was the Jamie Tarses (RIP) era that caused ABC to plummet to #3. 

1996 ABC was sold to Disney. ABC primetime mess era started 1995/96 when Roseanne fell out of the Top 10 and ended 1999/2000 with the breakout success of Who Wants to be a Millionaire. Monday Night Football and Home Improvement were really the only hits ABC had in that era.

8 hours ago, te. said:

 NBC's Thursday murder night of Friends / Satellite Comedy / Seinfeld / Satellite Comedy / ER was a factory plant for these sort of "false" hits.

4 hours ago, Khan said:

God, when I think about the number of mediocre-to-awful shows that passed through NBC's Must-See TV lineup over the years....

NBC got away with scheduling garbage shows at Thursday 8:30 pm and 9:30 pm during the Seinfeld/ER/Friends era that would finish in the Top 10 because both CBS and ABC were in their primetime mess eras. 

@vetsoapfan I think it was the combination of MG/MZ return and Robert Calhoun as EP that was the shot in the arm GL needed after some really bad years.

From what I've seen either online or in real time, I'd say the two golden eras were Potter/Dobsons/Marland and Calhoun/Long/Curlee.

9 hours ago, Khan said:

It seems like whenever AW attempted to copy trends, or make itself look more "hip!" and "now!," it always wound up embarrassing itself instead.  IOW, AW was just one soap opera that never could keep up successfully with the times.

We could say that about the P&G shows in general, chasing trends but getting them wrong.

On 2/28/2024 at 7:54 AM, te. said:

"Counterprogramming to try and sabotage another network

Not to derail this thread but this reminds me of when Fox tried to sabotage Central Park West with a second hour of Beverly Hills 90210 head-to-head w/ Central Park West premiere and a new Melrose Place head-to-head w/ Central Park West episode 2.

17 hours ago, soapfan770 said:

Sabotage and Tank Job that backfired @kalbir?

For the 1997-98 season CBS decided to air Diagnosis Murder at 9:00ET/8:00CT opposite Seinfeld. Seinfeld was obviously #1 for that season, but DM made shockwaves coming in at #26 and was also a top #30 hit the following season as well.

1996/97 CBS moved Diagnosis Murder from Friday 9 pm to Thursday 8 pm. That looks like a tank job yet CBS still kept Diagnosis Murder. Remember too that CBS was in another primetime mess era from Fall 1994 until Spring 2000 so they kept a good number of shows that showed little to no growth because not much was working as far as new shows go. CBS was really in no position to have any tank jobs so alot of their scheduling moves were probably fill space on the schedule.

Thank you @soapfan770

I had no memory of TNT rebroadcasts.

Whenever any full episodes or clips turn up on YT/DM they are usually from Soapnet 2000-2003 recordings.

So the rebroadcasts were 1986-1987 broadcast syndication, 1987-? Lifetime, 2000-2003 Soapnet, 2022-2024 Freevee. Am I missing any?

3 hours ago, Soapsuds said:

The soaps or March Madness?

Y&R reads like its going to be garbage time.

Garbage time.

March Madness break is March 21 and 22.

@beebs Thank you for the new season end ratings  

I took your 1991/92 season end ratings and updated the net differential from 1987/88 to 1991/92 and the new rankings are 

Y&R +0.4

B&B +0.2

All My Children -0.5

Guiding Light -0.5

As the World Turns -0.8

Another World -1.1

Loving -1.3

Santa Barbara -1.6

Days -1.8

General Hospital -2.1

One Life to Live -2.1

For 1992/93 the rankings are

B&B +0.6

Y&R +0.4

All My Children -0.1

Guiding Light -0.7

As the World Turns -0.8

Loving -1.2

One Life to Live -1.8

Another World -1.8

General Hospital -1.9

Santa Barbara -2.0

Days -2.1

More 1980s dramas to add to your list: Knight Rider, Wiseguy, Thirtysomething, China Beach, Life Goes On

To the CBS comedy list add Major Dad, Dave's World, Cybill, Cosby.

So Y&R will reach its 55th anniversary in March 2028.

2 hours ago, Paul Raven said:

What really would be a shocker is a well plotted story that took a character in a new direction and had some long term consequences!

Bradley is not capable of such things.