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On 2/5/2024 at 12:20 PM, Vee said:

I find it impossible to believe she'd do this.

So do I. It's not like she's hurting for cash or anything like that.

10 hours ago, Jonathan said:

 You could totally sense that Susan is still heartbroken over Helmut.

They were together for like 2/3rds of her life. It's going to take a long time for her to heal.

2 hours ago, JAS0N47 said:

FROM THE VAULT: WEEKLY DAYTIME NIELSEN RATINGS: WEEKS OF 7/20/92-7/24/92 & 7/27/92-7/31/92:

Y&R July 29 Ryan and Victoria get married.

2 hours ago, JAS0N47 said:

FROM THE VAULT: WEEKLY DAYTIME NIELSEN RATINGS: WEEKS OF 8/3/92-8/7/92 & 8/10/92-8/14/92:

Guiding Light August 3 Sherry Stringfield departure.

CBS entire lineup in the Top 5!

Just now, Donna L. Bridges said:

Why did that happen? 

GL Summer 1992 had three big cast departures w/ Kimberley Simms, Sherry Stringfield, and Beverlee McKinsey. While the last four months of 1992 weren't bad, the departures left a void in the show. Then came January 1993 Ellen Parker departure and we know the rest.

11 minutes ago, JAS0N47 said:

FROM THE VAULT: WEEKLY DAYTIME NIELSEN RATINGS: WEEKS OF 6/22/92-6/26/92 & 6/29/92-7/3/92:

CBS entire lineup in the Top 5!

June 29-July 3 Guiding Light blackout. June 29 Kimberley Simms departure.

The blackout was the culmination of all the groundwork laid during the Calhoun era that JFP took credit for. Sadly all the momentum would be lost not long after.

2 hours ago, soapfan770 said:

Wow how did I miss this thread, thanks for starting

You're welcome

2 hours ago, soapfan770 said:

 What exactly happened to NBC’s hit Riptide in the mid-80’s?

@Paul Raven has a good explanation for Riptide in this thread.

17 minutes ago, JAS0N47 said:

FROM THE VAULT: WEEKLY DAYTIME NIELSEN RATINGS: WEEKS OF 5/25/92-5/29/92 & 6/1/92-6/5/92:

FROM THE VAULT: WEEKLY DAYTIME NIELSEN RATINGS: WEEKS OF 6/8/92-6/12/92 & 6/15/92-6/19/92:

Sheila crossing over is paying off for B&B.

Two of four weeks CBS entire lineup in the Top 5!

5 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

Charlie & Co—which starred Gladys Knight, Jaleel White and the late greats Flip Wilson and Kristoff St. John— a series that offered promise but never fully got is “legs” underneath it, by Season 2, was put against The Cosby Show, a ratings juggernaut. What were the programming folks at CBS hoping to achieve here? It doesn’t seem like they hoped to achieve success for the fledgling sitcom.

Charlie & Co was one season and done. CBS scheduled it Wednesday 9 pm head-to-head w/ Dynasty, then moved it to Tuesday 8:30 pm head-to-head w/ Growing Pains, then Friday 8 pm head-to-head w/ Webster.

I agree it had a talented cast but CBS somehow did not have a lot of faith in it.

Remember too that CBS struggled with sitcoms from 1982/83, the end of M*A*S*H and the Top 10 fallouts of The Jeffersons, Alice, and One Day at a Time, until 1989/90, when Designing Women and Murphy Brown started showing growth. The only bright spots in that era CBS had as far as sitcoms go were Kate & Allie, which started good but couldn't maintain its momentum as it got overshadowed by the big family sitcoms of that era (The Cosby Show, Family Ties, Who's the Boss, Growing Pains), and Newhart, which was very up-and-down in the ratings and it got overshadowed by the big workplace/friendship sitcoms of that era (Cheers, The Golden Girls, Night Court).

A sad Y&R-related anniversary today (February 3). Five years since we lost Kristoff St. John. RIP.

4 hours ago, yrfan1983 said:

it's so sad, the downward shift in quality from 1994 to 1995

Y&R is off track second half of 1994 through first half of 1997.

The frat party starts Summer 1994. Nick/Sharon eat the show Fall 1994-Spring 1996. The storylines hit a lull Fall 1996 through first half of 1997.

Who Shot Victor was really the only bright spot for me in that era.

1 hour ago, Errol said:

by moving Murder, She Wrote, it helped Touched by an Angel.

Touched by an Angel took over Sunday 8 pm in Fall 1996, after Murder, She Wrote was cancelled.

8 hours ago, Khan said:

What NBC did to "A Different World" in its' last season

What you described reads like sabotage.

8 hours ago, Khan said:

NBC moving "The Golden Girls"'s time slot up an hour (from 9/8c to 8/7c) at the beginning of its' seventh and final season.  The previous season still finished within the Top 10, but NBC likely saw the proverbial handwriting on the wall.

NBC messed up Saturday in 1991/92. The Golden Girls moved up from 9 pm to 8 pm and Empty Nest moved up from 9:30 pm to 9 pm, and none of the new 8:30 pm offerings took hold.

8 hours ago, Khan said:

CBS moving "Designing Women" from Mondays to (I believe) Fridays for its' final season.  

1992/93 CBS attempted a Friday comedy block The Golden Palace, Major Dad, Designing Women, Bob to compete w/ TGIF but that was an epic failure.

8 hours ago, Khan said:

To this day, I remain pissed over how CBS and Les Moonves treated that show.  MSW literally kept CBS afloat for years.  No show lasts forever, but MSW and Angela Lansbury deserved to go out on their terms.

100% this. I'm holding myself back from stating further opinions of Les Moonves and his sabotage of Murder, She Wrote as its neither here nor there for this thread.

I say the Younger Performer category should be split into Best Child Performer 12 and Under and Best Youth Performer 13 to 20. Once an actor/actress is legal drinking age 21, they compete with the big boys and girls in Supporting or Lead.

The Younger categories were merged because the talent pool had shrunk. Look at all the Daytime Emmy acting winners that were born 1980 and later. That to me is proof as to how far the talent pool has dropped over the last 25 or so years.

AFAIK Don Murray is the first Knots Landing original cast member to pass away.

I know we've previously lost two Knots Landing long-time cast members Kevin Dobson and Julie Harris.

2 hours ago, OpportunisticSlut said:

There is nobody better than BM. 

February 10 is the 40th anniversary of Beverlee McKinsey debut on GL.

17 minutes ago, Paul Raven said:

@kalbir You know this is right up my street!

 

I thought you'd like this topic

17 minutes ago, Paul Raven said:

Fall 86

The A Team, a top 10 show Tues @8 for several seasons dropped to #30 once Who's The Boss took hold. So for it's final season A Team gets shunted to Fri@8 where they haven't had a hit in years, it gets cancelled after 13 eps.

Yes, The A-Team got weakened in 1985/86 by Who's the Boss and Growing Pains but I don't feel the move to Friday 8 pm was a tank job. I guess NBC thought the competition was less on Friday 8 pm (Webster, Mr. Belvedere, Scarecrow and Mrs. King) but it turned out not to be the case. Also NBC was trying to build a new Friday drama block w/ The A-Team, Miami Vice, and L.A. Law but that didn't work.

As we've seen in the 1980s Ratings, 1990s Ratings, and Time Slot Hits threads, scheduling often plays a big part in the success of a primetime network series.

We all know some scheduling moves were more successful than others.

There are scheduling moves made by the networks to get an aging or fading show to a quicker end (tank jobs) or to get a show no longer wanted by the networks to an end (sabotage).

Here are some examples. 

Tank jobs

1984/85: CBS moves The Jeffersons and Alice from Sunday 9 pm/9:30 pm to Tuesday 8 pm/8:30 pm where they are now head-to-head w/ The A-Team. The Jeffersons and Alice are both below the Top 30 and are cancelled. The A-Team is 6th.

1985/86: CBS moves Trapper John, M.D. from Sunday 10 pm to Tuesday, where ABC has made a comeback w/ Who's the Boss taking off, new comedy Growing Pains, and Moonlighting showing growth. Trapper John, M.D. falls out of the Top 30 and is cancelled. Who's the Boss is 10th, Growing Pains is 17th, Moonlighting is 24th.

1986/87: NBC moves Hill Street Blues from Thursday 10 pm to Tuesday 9 pm, where it is now head-to-head w/ Moonlighting. Hill Street Blues is below the Top 30 and is cancelled. Moonlighting is 9th.

Sabotage

1987/88: ABC moves Hotel from Wednesday 10 pm to Saturday 10 pm. Hotel is below the Top 30 and is cancelled. Brandon Stoddard had a goal to get Aaron Spelling shows off of ABC, thus the move to a dead zone time slot.

1988/89: ABC moves Dynasty from Wednesday 10 pm to Thursday 9 pm, where it is now head-to-head w/ Cheers. Dynasty is below the Top 30 and is cancelled. Cheers is 4th. Brandon Stoddard knew exactly what he was doing when he moved Dynasty to a dead zone time slot. That move accomplished Brandon Stoddard's goal of getting Aaron Spelling shows off of ABC.

1988/89: ABC moves Moonlighting from Tuesday 9 pm to Sunday 8 pm, where it is now head-to-head w/ Murder, She Wrote. Moonlighting falls out of the Top 30 and is cancelled. Murder, She Wrote is 8th. My feeling is Robert Iger had enough of the backstage drama at Moonlighting, thus the move to a dead zone time slot.

1995/96: CBS moves Murder, She Wrote from Sunday 8 pm to Thursday 8 pm, head-to-head w/ Friends. Les Moonves wanted Murder, She Wrote gone from CBS so he knew exactly what he was doing when he moved Murder, She Wrote to a dead zone time slot. Murder, She Wrote falls out of the Top 30 and is cancelled. Friends is 3rd.

Some moves that might be considered tank jobs or sabotage but I'd say they were more fill space in the schedule.

1985/86: CBS moves Crazy Like a Fox from Sunday 9 pm to Wednesday 9 pm, head-to-head w/ Dynasty. That move filled the space from CBS cancelling new Wednesday shows Stir Crazy and George Burns Comedy Week. Crazy Like a Fox falls out of the Top 30 and is cancelled. Dynasty is 7th.

1988/89: CBS moves Simon & Simon from Thursday 9 pm to Saturday 9 pm, head-to-head w/ The Golden Girls. CBS never really had much success on Saturday. Simon & Simon is below the Top 30 and is cancelled. The Golden Girls is 6th.

1989/90: CBS moves the final four episodes of Falcon Crest from Friday 10 pm to Thursday 9 pm, head-to-head w/ Cheers. That move filled the space from CBS cancelling new Thursday 9 pm shows Top of the Hill, Island Son, Max Monroe: Loose Cannon. Cheers is 3rd.

If anyone has more to add, please do.

Knowing Josh Griffith, it will be February sleeps.

@OpportunisticSlut That scene to start the thread was probably the nadir of Ronn Moss as an actor.

On 1/31/2024 at 6:10 AM, Liberty City said:

I know he's loved... but thank fück Ronn Moss is gone. He couldn't act. At all.

He is probably the only actor on daytime who's acting got progressively worse the longer he played his character.

I'd say Days. The SOD Awards were proof of that.

I didn't know location shooting/far-off remotes were a thing in the 1970s. I always associated them with the 1980s, as a side effect of action/adventure and supercouples.

Crimson Lights set is nearly 30 years old. It's due for a reno or retirement.

On 1/22/2024 at 6:06 AM, SoapDope said:

Coffee houses and trendy bars became all the rage to hang out in the 90's on soaps.

I'd say that was Friends influence.

90210, Melrose Place, NYPD Blue, ER, Friends influenced soaps in the 1990s the way Dallas and Dynasty influenced soaps in the 1980s.

26 minutes ago, Paul Raven said:

When I saw them hinting at Victor/Christine, I threw up a little in my mouth.

The man was old enough to be her father-how would she find him attractive on any level? The women who went with Victor were pretty much  either weak or scheming. 

And both Victor and Christine could both be extremely annoying so them together would have been too much.

When I watched 1996 in real time and Bill Bell was alluding to Victor/Christine, I was like "Bill Bell what are you thinking? That's your daughter, and she's half EB age."

When I rewatched some of 1995 and 1996, I get why Bill Bell alluded to Victor/Christine. I think Bill Bell original plan was Victor/Nikki/Brad/Ashley quad but since Shari Shattuck did not pass the chemistry tests w/ either EB or Don Diamont, Bill Bell replaced Ashley w/ Christine in the quad. He even dusted off some of the original Victor/Ashley storyline to use w/ Victor/Christine.

Thankfully there was very little physical contact between Victor and Christine. If they had gone past a hug I probably would have lost my lunch.

The whole show feels like its in some sort of holding pattern. I can only imagine what February will bring.