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Heh yeah it's one of those old bits from the WOST forums I still retain. I don't know if you had ever posted on them Carl but looking back there was a lot of active oldtimers with a goldmine of stuff. Too bad we can't use wayback machine on its forums, and shame it became psycho central and a certain one time Days writer & bin Laden lover hijacking the site. I wonder if any of the later writers ever thought of bringing back Carole to use as a spoiler for Tom and Margo. Granted growing up I only knew Scott Holmes but still pre-Justin Deas Tom is often beyond my imagination.

Going back to the Joe Willmore post judging from what I've heard about his later tenures at SFT and GL I wonder how he was on ATWT. I've heard his It was quite some time ago on the old WOST website that an anecdote about Willmore was recounted where he had a tantrum of sorts at GL in 1989, throwing a chair across the set or something and GL crew and cast members shed no tears upon his exit. He looks and sounds like a pretty mild-mannered middle age exec in the photos.

Some classic ads featuring our RevaRedDiva Also one of that 1992 primetime fiasco:

Some classic ATWT ads, including ATWT's first hour long episode. I know AW and Days did special things for their first hour long episodes and both Edge of Night and The Doctors did special 90 minute episodes, but did ATWT do anything special for theirs?

The three primetime episodes I remember the most are of one that aired in '95 which I don't remember much about beside Blade/Rick and Ashley getting trapped in room and the ceiling fan falling on them. The second one I remember is Victor's shooting in '96 and the one they did in 1998 for Y&R's 25th anniversary which had Neil and Dru having make-up sex and more infamously Victor's birthday party. It actually aired a couple weeks before March 26th just as Sarah/Veronica went berserk on Josh and Nikki. I think Scott(or was it Shaughnessy?) said the last primetime episode they did around 1999/2000 or so neither brought in new primetime viewers and regular Y&R viewers either. Cassandra was a beautiful and mysterious woman for sure. I hadn't posted these ads but I will just because I know some people will just scream at them:

Some old ads I found, including from Y&R's premiere week and two ads for upcoming prime time episodes Y&R did in the 90s. I think Y&R was the soap that did primetime episodes the most.

Bell did step in between Braeden and Bergman there around 1993/1994 didn't he? As I recall from some interview Bell had threatened both of them by saying he was the real diva of the show. I heard Braeden was quite upset with Bell for sometime afterward. Deeedee what did you think of Jeanne Cooper's crack about "The Young and the Rest of Us" she made about the show in 1996/1997 ish. At the time I'm sure Cooper and some other vets may have felt that way, but nowadays I don't see it much mainly due to Y&R's younger generation being so gutted these days and old man Grambo dominates the show.

I just happened to notice in Carl's original post it says Beth Maitland as ex-Traci. It's funny Traci is the only Abbott really who has never been recast-ed until she was permanently written out of the show there 1994/1995 after being paired with boring Steve the writer. Yet on the flip side Ashley was consistently on the front burner and was even recasted again when Epperson left and still on the front burner with Shattuck. I guess Bell didn't see Traci having a place on the show anymore.

It does seem odd that Derek stayed on for a few years there. I'd love to see the duel he had with Douglas over Katherine. Thanks. Being so young I thought Jill/Rex/Katherine was fun it wasn't later I read criticism of it (ie Katherine and Jill fighting over another man). From all those clips of the infamous blackmail story I had just wondered if Katherine had any ulterior motives of blackmailing Jill with the photos aside from 1. her hatred of Jill, to see Jill be miserable 2. being a friend of John to protect him from Jill. Whatever the reason, it was a brilliant move by Bell to have Lindsay sell the photos to Katherine.

I'm curious but how did Vanessa herself think about the whole Lorie/Lance/Leslie/Lucas quad? I know she always hated Lorie, but what where her feelings towards Leslie? How exactly did Leslie leave the show? Was Jill/Derek/Katherine as somewhat odd as when Rex left Katherine/Marge to marry Jill? Did Katherine ever have feelings for John beyond friendship during the blackmail years of 1984-86?

I've always wondered why Beau Kayzer didn't stay permanetly as Brock when he was on recurring there in the late 80s and early 90s. His relationship with Gina may not have been the most exiting story but Brock like Paul was one of the good guys and I've always liked the nice easy friendliness between Kayzer and Walton.

I barely/don't remember much about Jill and Victor this would have been when I was much younger and only could watch Y&R in the summertime or during the holidays. I love seeing clips of Stephanie Williams' Amy and it's a shame she was soon phased out and didn't become one of Y&R's leading ladies. Then again, there's a whole world apart from Amy and Dru I could not see them interacting. Didn't know Lester had quit either, did he actually quit or just take a leave of absence? I wonder if that explains how noticebly different Lester is as Jack there '88-'89 as opposed to the early and mid-80s. Thanks for the info and insights DeeeDee. I just remember Victoria trying to expose them as a couple when they weren't. This was right when Davidson returned to the show in '99.

Ok so what I found wasn't as crictical as I thought, I know I have an article from this period which is very harsh on Walton. But here is a piece talking about this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duFRmramYA8&feature=related

I've been needing to catch up on a lot, work and school have kept me off various message boards lately. Just curious, but what were Ashley's early stories between 1982-1985? I know from my Y&R history readings she got involved with her step-brother Marc and went crazy and took an amnesiac road trip after learning that John wasn't her biological dad but it didn't seem she had much story until she got involved with Victor there '85/'86. A more recent history question I have but how was Raphael exactly related to Ashley? Wasn't he like Dina's long lost son or something? That courtroom brawl use to be on Youtube, not sure if it is anymore. I know this is, and note how sinister Katherine is in these clips as opposed to her sainthood nowadays: [youtubee]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_l6Mb3ElWI The Jill/Katherine feud was still warm in the early 90s although growing a bit stretched, Jill and Kay fighting over Rex after he married Jill after Marge as Katherine drove him away. I thoroughly enjoyed every moment of the Jill vs. John story that played out between 1994-1996 because the reasons for the divorce and custody battle over Billy seemed so explosive to me as kid then. However, after watching so many 80s clips I prefer the 80s story of John/Jill/Jack/Katherine because that was much more explosive and had higher stakes, not to mention all the stellar performances by Dickson, Lester, and Cooper. Speaking of Jill, I need to dig up the short article I have from early 1993 which complains about the Victor and Jill pairing(the author notes it as disgusting and critizes Walton's performance).

Just out of curiousity, what did you guys think of the Christy Carson caper? Even though it was a preposterous tale, as a kid it really suckered me more into AW than just the opening credits and I enjoyed Patti D'Arbanville(just before her NY Undercover days).

Thanks the stories Doc Reese and return of Pilar, and that boxing kid and his really annoying sister really turned me off from ATWT that fall so I was only watching on an occasional basis and didn't follow any synopses. I had just assumed this Julia was indeed Julia, she was certainly crazy too. I hated the Holden/Carly affair because besides the lack of chemistry Carly and Lily had been good friends especially when Carly helped Lily cover for Lily after Julia's murder. Another 00s musing I have is I wonder how Luke would have turned out if Kim Zimmer's son Jake Weary had stayed in the role. He was pretty good I thought and was an actual teen playing a teen. It seemed for a long time they were going to give Luke an alcoholism story before any gay story.

Did the character of Lily only work because of Martha Byrne's ability to sell her? I know Heather Rattray was playing Lily with my first memories as a kid of watching ATWT circa 1991 or so but I really liked Damian and Lily more than I did Holden and quickly liked Byrne a whole lot better. I always hoped that Lily would become more than just the rich girl/damsel in distress role because Byrne always brought a lot of warmth and could be a firecracker at times, see her fight with Connor in the 1995 New Years Eve vids on Youtube. Holden and Lily were rootable to me in the late 90s during the early Molly stuff and the Faith/Hope baby switch. This past decade though I was bored to tears by Holden and Lily especially during the Keith stuff and then Lily's pill addictions. I wanted Dusty and Lily to hookup in 2004 but it never happened. One more thing, the supposed return of Julia in 2004/05 was utterly preposterous(never made sense to me) and the actress did a horrific job. Though in Jack's amnesia (wasn't Park leaving the show?) and Holden's random affair and it was a disaster. Worse is when they Carmen Duncan come in to sub for Fulton as Lisa simply to tell Julia of how bad Carly was and list all of her past crimes. It made Lisa look bad.

Thanks for sharing I remember enjoying the Linc Lafferty murder mystery very much and recall Connor being the prime suspect but then it turned out that his murderer fled to Genoa City under the alias of Sharon Collins. Didn't the show bring back Marcy too during that period?

Regarding Kim Zimmer on the show I remember in the late 90s or so SOD in one of those highlight sections did a thing about current stars talking about their canceled soap experience and I remember reading Zimmer saying she basically shed no tears over The Doctors ending. Anyone remember this?

I seem to recall the show did get some backlash at the time for being too depressing particularly because both Holden's amnesia and Ellie's abortion came on the heels of Margo's rape amongst other things. Not mention the neverending Carolyn Crawford murder mystery became an albatross for the show, who'd guess that is was the mousy Vicki Harper who ordered Carolyn to be murdered? ATWT was a great show really 1992-1995 I remember as a kid following both the Linc Lafferty and Neal murder mysteries and fleeing the room when Hans started sawing off Lily's wedding ring from her own finger Aside from the late 70s, late 90s, and of course late 00s ATWT usually had good and solid ratings. Whether we like it or not the Sheffer years did have ATWT as a top 5 show, I still remember back in 2003 when the show was consecutively in third or fourth place while GL was stuck at #8. Munker on Days? I thought she did okay as Kimberly, she came on with the whole multiple personality story still going there at the end of '92 and became engaged to the doctor guy. Unlike Howard, Chase never had scenes with Shaughnessy as he was long gone by this point. They had Kim get involved in the John/Marlena/Roman story when she discovered Marlena was doing paternity tests but decided to keep her knowledge of Marlena's a secret, something that didn't get played out further because Kim and the doctor were written out by fall of '93 by moving away and of course Pease came back in '94 for Tom Horton's funeral.

Interesting it seems Lester had a serious relationship with Lindsay Harrison, look who's listed as couples three years later in 1990 in the couples section: http://www.soapoperaworld.com/daytime-terry-lester-mary-ellen-stuart.html

Please feel free to post more stuff Carl between new computers, accusations of hoarding, and feeling silly for having a bunch of "useless old" soap stuff I've pretty much discarded a lot of what I had from the 90s several years ago only to be kicking myself today for not keeping. Heh it was only in 2003 when I accidentally a taped an episode of Passions over a 1994 Y&R episode I quickly started to discover and preserve any old soap episodes I had in the numerous boxes of VHS tapes. Regarding Munker someone on the old WOST website and posted a circa 1980 article regarding her exit and it blamed her getting stuck between "two feuding actresses" if I recall right. I wonder how Munker/Chase was on ATWT, she had a lengthy daytime career and I've seen a 1976 AW ep and a 1987 GL with her it, and of course I pretty much watched her for her full run as the last Kimberly recast on Days, perhaps her most notable daytime role. As for Ellie Snyder, I don't believe the show ever brought her back, though probably not without reason. The abortion story Marland wrote may have read brilliant on paper, but after re-watching it was painful and way too dark to watch. Worse is I didn't remember that those scenes aired in the SAME episode that Daryl flew out the window and an amnesiac Holden went to the farm--and Lily for the first time since losing his memory. Talk about a downer of an episode! I think it was an indirect character assassination for Ellie I don't think Marland intended for either.

I remember it being a big deal when ATWT reunited the entire Snyder family for Thanksgiving 1994, and that was Caso's last year sadly. After that, ATWT returns for brief appearances became fewer and farther between. I remember when Lisa Brown came back as Iva for Rose's funeral in 2003 she barely had any lines. Good point about Schultz although she did come back in 1986 for the 30th Anniversary, was she married to Larry Bryggman still in '91? I've heard the feud between Schultz and CZP caused Ariane Munker a.k.a Ariana Chase to quit. How long was Jordan Baker in the role of Betsy in '94? I don't remember it really, other than Dani later becoming a pathological liar with Jeremy, Nikki, and Ryder. I always thought Betsy should have been around in the 90s as Emily's sister. Well I wonder these days now with ATWT off the air and her own career dead in the water I wonder how Ryan feels about it now. Same goes to Brian Bloom who royally dissed the show way back. My props to Julianne Moore to always being a ATWT supporter

It's fascinating all the little details that sometimes are forgotten off the Internet. What's even more interesting is to see Marland and Caso go out of their way to actually bring Betsy to the screen unlike so many soap funerals and weddings. I know this year's casting of John Martin as Bill Horton on Days for Alice's funeral was a rare example of this. I'm surprised they didn't try to get Jacqueline Schultz back as Dee for the funeral. One odd thing I've seen going through old clips is Andrew Kavovit's guest appearance at Christmas 1992 as Paul. He shared some awkward scenes with KMH's Emily it was almost unbelievable that his Paul and her Emily were ever lovers.

It was great to see him again but I was a little taken back by his appearance with a shaven head and a clean shaven face--it was a rarity to see Josh without some sort of goatee or beard. Aside from that he looks really good for his age.