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GL has three women who ran through families (Reva-Billy, HB, Josh and Kyle: Harley-AlanMichael, Phillip, Gus: Blake-Alan, Phillip, AlanMichael). And guys who slept with mothers/daughters (Bill did it twice, Matt, Ross, Mark Evans, Jeffrey) Although none of those situations were truly a triangle. It's hard to count HB/Reva/Kyle as one when it's clear that all that's keeping Reva in her marriage to HB is some sort of obligation. Ross and Holly are over before he sleeps with Blake. And Matt had sex with Dinah after he and Van were divorced. I guess Beth was just out of options, or the writers decided to up the drama quotient for Coop's death.

At least I could watch the first half, until **** shows up. Van at least tried to serve Dinah up a dose of reality....although I always thought there was more between Dinah and ^^^^ than they'd admit. Oh, while we're talking about shared lovers---are Beth and Lizzie the only mother/daughter duo who shared two lovers? The limit is usually one.

That's what's wrong with the entire Dinah/Vanessa dynamic (with Moniz and Tognoni in the role), is that Vanessa rarely stands up to the twit. As **** says, Dinah only ever cared about Vanessa when she was dying. The writers only seemed to use Dinah as a borderline psychopath. As good actresses as I think Moniz and Tognoni are, they deserved better. Maeve has a couple of good scenes with Tognoni where she finally just shuts Dinah's endless pity party down, but it's not nearly enough and it's way overdue. I stumbled upon Coop's death. OY VEY. Deas and Frankie D are chewing up the scenery. It's like they've forgotten how to act.

I don't mind that much that it was forgotten. I would've hated Reva being able to throw that in Van's face for years. They do have one big blow up over it, where Reva just guts Vanessa at a dinner party Kyle throws after taking over Lewis. But there's no real follow through for that either that I've found. There might've been a little more tension, where you're expecting another blow out, but it never happens. Reva starts hanging around Kyle, and the story shifts to the secret of Billy's maternity.

That's one of those stories you just shake your head and wonder WTF was going through Long's mind. The only real point of any of it was undoing the pregnancy that never should've been anyway. There's no real consequences--Reva gets out of an ill-advised marriage no one wanted, and Vanessa gets two weeks of rehab and is fine. Any argument between Van and Reva could've resulted in a fall causing the miscarriage. At least Maeve got an emmy nomination out of it.

Would've been better than the stupid clone. If not going back to her bitch roots, at least drop kicking dumb-ass M### out of her life. But now I can't stop imagining Vanessa (acting like her younger self) cutting Dinah down to size. Vanessa running around town crying to people for help is so much bullshit. Vanessa Chamberlain would've picked up, packed up and taken off on her own. Or at least planned to, instead morphing into Lily Walsh Snyder, perpetual damsel in distress. RME.

Wasn't Drew's mother Selena? Patti D'Arbanville wasn't happy and spoke up about it, and they fired her, didn't they?

Honestly, I think they had hoped to bring Jerry back, that's why no body was found. Explaining Maureen would've been a stretch (hey Rick could've substituted another dead body...he'd done it before) *sigh* imagine getting Cindy Pickett back?

Was it James' or Tom's child? I can't remember. Marland sure leaned on the "woman goes a bit nuts" vibe doesn't he? I guess it went hand-in-hand for their endless need for therapy.

My bad. Duh---I know I read something about her having that breakdown to hide her pregnancy. I guess I just thought the trial and Amanda's breakdown were further apart, storywise. The "trial stress miscarriage" seemed to be a bit of a thing---I swear ATWT's Margo has one around the same time under nearly identical circumstances. @alwaysAMC I truly can't watch him. Unless it's Vanessa tap-dancing on his heart nonchalantly at the end. That I could almost bring myself to watch on a loop. Oh, and apparently the word t-roll is verboten now. Otherwise, I'd have settled for calling him that.

It's much easier to write that a woman was a whore/mistress and regretted it than it ever was (or will be) for a man to admit he was a gigolo/paid sex worker, and expect the audience to forgive/forget/understand. Vanessa had traditionally been written as very smart about people. She's too skeptical and too observant to get fooled. It's one thing being a chump for your child, it's another to not see what's obvious. Yes, at one point, Nadine manipulated her, but Van always knew who and what Nadine was. Part of the decline of the daytime soap is the decline in writing, where characters are just suddenly "too stupid" to further the plot.

Evie was one of those characters you had to see her earlier stories to appreciate. (I would literally die to see her story with Jordan Clarke.) Evie hit her stride in the Ben story. I didn't find her as much annoying as very earnest and gentle. Then they didn't really know what to do with her, and after Rita left, she's just basically Jackie's talk to. There is a point where Vanessa is very irritated with Ross' attraction to her, which is kind of amazing to watch.

I hadn't really factored CB's return into Larkin's prospective pecking order. I was trying to think of how many pregnancies were written in also. Both Maeve's first and Kathleen Cullen's weren't. Lisa Brown's first and Maeve's second in 1984 were. Both of Kim's must have been. In 1982, the girl who had played Lanie Marler's must have been, as she was shown pregnant when Jackie was visiting her shortly before her death. But the actress wasn't a contract character at the time. I think Denise Pence was pregnant around that time, but her character was never pregnant. Oh...Lenore Kasdorf's pregnancy was. She's actually pregnant during the Hall of Mirrors sequence. Someone subbed into the role when Rita miscarried after Roger kidnapped her and the cabin started on fire.

Thanks! Everything is somewhere. I would've looked at soapcentral, but either they're down, or my computer refuses to go there anymore. True enough about Long probably never going to write Kyle as number 1 with Josh around. Hell, how many women were #2 to Reva?

I'm not sure my opinion counts on this one. LOL *sigh* poor Van, stuck raising another child.

He shows up briefly after M*** comes to town. I assume it's so M*** can spew about his daddy issues and how that led to his own misspent youth and ghosting his family. *rme*

Shows ignored plenty of actresses' pregnancies over the years. Unless Larkin knew he was going to be the loser in the latest Reva war, why wouldn't he gamble on a front-burner triangle? Kyle and Reva had an established fan base. Alan didn't have that.

I think Nola says she has no memory of Tom and/or picture of him or them together. If there was 5-8 years between Tony and Nola, there's probably at least one child between them. Poor Bea--she must've popped out those kids like a PEZ dispener. I guess I can understand Larkin's reluctance to do another baby story on the heels of the Ben story. I'm surprised TIIC would want to do another baby story. Although I guess they do that all the time--it took me years to realize both Billy and Eleni are stuck in marriages because their SO made up a baby lie to keep them in '92-'93.

True true! I remember Mo would talk about taking care of the "new baby" when they came. I just couldn't ever recall Tony calling Mo his big sister. When Marland wrote ATWT's Snyders, he had that lineup down cold.

Not to mention how entitled Crystal Hunt's version of Lizzie was. I really hated when they got the simplest things completely wrong. One of the few bright spots of those last two years is Billy's mentoring Lizzie, because she reminds him of Mindy.

I feel it's around the time Calla erased (switched) Dinah's blood type from the hospital computer. But just spot checking, I don't see it in my playlist.

The house Billy bought for Vanessa after their 2nd wedding. I swear, it was also where the last scene between Jordan and Maeve was before he left---Billy shows her the house, she throws her arms around him. "I'm throwing my arms around you, ungrateful wretch that I am, and telling you that I love you MADLY." [!@#$%^&*] GL for being so cheap they had Vanessa screwing that miniature garden gnome wannabe in that house.* *Sorry, not sorry, I'm in my feels today. BTW, was there ever a birth order given for the Reardon children? I assume Jim and Sean were older than Maureen, but where did Tony fit in? Nola of course, was the baby (before Chelsea came to town anyway...)

Strangely coincidental to say the least. I didn't realize there'd been anyone between CB Barnes (who I remember) and Andy Kavovit. But there you are. lol.

That kid was from Texas TOO? Aye Carumba.. Funny thing, Fiona is also a nurse in '86, and has a brief scene with Van and Henry.

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