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I think Marcy Walker would have been fine on GL even as a Mindy recast.

I cannot agree with you more, @marceline. Bernie Sanders and his followers believe that economic inequality is a separate issue from racial and ethnic inequality, which they tend to dismiss as "identity politics," or whatever. However, the truth is that the former, in my opinion, is a byproduct of the latter. If you want to address the economic inequalities that continue to keep the middle and working classes in this country from earning even respectable wages, you have to shore up human and civil rights for all first. Otherwise, you're placing the cart before the horse. Obviously, @DRW50, I can't speak for everyone, but I, myself, never cared about how long it might take to indict Trump on anything, so long as the DOJ's probe resulted in a clear indictment. Trump broke the law. In fact, he broke MANY laws. At the very least, the DOJ needed to say that aloud by formally indicting him, or else what kind of justice system do we really have in this country!? Do I believe Trump will ever see the inside of a jail cell? Frankly, if it ever reached that point, I think he is the sort who would swallow poison before allowing his own incarceration to happen, lol. For one thing, Trump knows his followers well enough to know that they would look upon such an act as martyrdom (which is why, if Trump's suicide ever came to pass, it would be CRUCIAL for us and for the rest of the world to hold the media accountable if they even attempted to spin the act as somehow being more noble than it really is). For another, Trump is someone who has always held a rather reductive worldview. To him, the world is divided between two types of individuals: those who are "winners," and those who are "losers." If you're put on trial and found innocent, then you're a "winner." If not, then you're a "loser." If he were ever placed on trial, found guilty and sentenced to prison, then, in his mind, that would make him a "loser"; and to someone like Donald J. Trump, being seen by the public as a "loser" is a fate worse than everything. I agree, @Vee. I also agree with @marceline that we are far too early into this election cycle to worry about Biden's (or anyone else's) chances for "pulling through." Of course, I'm not naive enough to assume that the 2024 election will be a proverbial cakewalk for Biden. It should be, because his administration actually accomplished several, important tasks, despite being hamstrung by the GOP and the likes of Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema. However, thanks to the media and social media's usual practice of obliterating a Democrat's genuine accomplishments and focusing instead on trivial matters, such as a person's age, or whether his Dick Van Dyke-like trip over a [!@#$%^&*] sandbag somehow means he is in the initial stages of Lewy Body Dementia (I'm not joking; someone on YT actually floated that theory), chances are better than good that unfortunately Biden won't be able to sail through this election. Again, though, I think it's entirely too early to start gnashing one's teeth or pulling out one's hair and declare that the republic is lost forever. There was a time not TOO long ago when I might have believed the opposite. Now, however, I'm taking a lesson from QAnon followers (and from GH's Willow, WHO IS CLEARLY FAKING HER CANCER) and just trusting the plan. As @marceline said upthread, by no means is the finale for "AT&T Presents the Donald Trump Indictment Hour." In fact, to keep with the TV variety series analogy, yesterday's indictment from the DOJ is the equivalent of fulfilling the network's initial, 13-episode order, with the guarantee that the network will order the "back nine." Yours is a fair assumption, @DRW50. However, I think it's one based on the belief that the majority of media consumers in this country remain blind to the media's overall agenda. As I think I posted over in the Media/Journalism thread, I think this country is gradually waking up to the fact that the mainstream, corporate media no longer holds the so-called "public interest" in their hearts. Citizens are seeing for themselves how the media steadfastly refuses to shine a proverbial spotlight on the REAL issues that continue to undermine our nation's progress because it doesn't give the media the horse race they think they need to continue selling newspapers, magazines and everything else they produce. I mean, having the likes of Governor Greg Abbott or Senator Ted Cruz march themselves down to a press conference at the Texas/Mexico border just so they can castigate the Biden administration again over their handling or mishandling of the "immigrant crisis" (without offering zilch in the way of an actual, workable alternative) might attract a lot of eyeballs, but so did Kimberly on MELROSE PLACE whipping off that wig so she could fondle and caress her brain surgery scar in the mirror one more time. Politics, in this country, has become yet another opportunity to sell refrigerators and toothpastes. Both the media and the GOP have long been hip to that fact, but they haven't realized yet that the people are now one step ahead of them.

I honestly could not tell whether Sharon Case was crying or laughing in that scene.

Angela Lansbury always maintained that the network and the advertisers misread the show's demographics entirely. They thought that MSW appealed only to older viewers, but, in fact, MSW attracted viewers of all ages on a regular basis. I think families in particular enjoyed watching the show, because they knew that the show wasn't gory or sensationalistic. It was also nice to see a weekly series where the bad guys were punished, the good guys were vindicated and everything was tied up in a nice bow at the end. MSW might not have been cutting-edge; nevertheless, it was always a very satisfying show to watch.

"We're glad to have you black!" has to be the best soap opera blooper ever, lol.

I hope someone will do an AMC oral history one of these days, if only so we can maybe get to the bottom of the "Susan Lucci threw a carton of yogurt at Henry Kaplan!" rumor.

In other words, Black women saved us from ourselves one more time.

How strange to see "A Different World" and not "The Cosby Show" listed among the top 10 most watched shows for that week, lol. Had TCS been preempted? Did they air a repeat?

One of these days, I'm going to have to break down and purchase that OLTL oral history on Amazon, lol.

I agree, @Vee. Leonard Katzman should have made the conscious decision to end DALLAS rather than wait for CBS to end it for him. The show had already declined; a fifteenth season on the air would not have reversed anything. I think they should have just killed off Pam (wrapped in bandages) in the following season's premiere.

IMO, Gary and Val's inclusion made the Wards redundant. Giving Gary and Val the sort of "young, married couple" stories that otherwise might have gone to Kenny and Ginger made sense, if only because of Gary and Val's connection to DALLAS.

Well, that's the official story behind his departure from OLTL. Allegedly, Farley Granger quit or was fired because he had been sexually harassing a younger actor on the show (although, I can't recall which actor in particular).

I don't think any actor (not even Jed Allan) who portrayed C.C. Capwell was all that effective. It's possible that C.C. was just a hard part to cast for.

I remember reading that comment, too, @chrisml. She made it during some interview with one of the soap mags, but I forget which one. At any rate, I think her comment made it clear that their working relationship had soured by the time she left GL.

I agree. Being politically neutral doesn't cut it anymore - at least, not in the media. This country continues to fight a war of misinformation. You can be on the "right" side or the "wrong" one of that war, but, eventually, everyone has to choose a side. Let's hope the David Zaslavs learn that lesson sooner rather than later.

I agree. I think we, as a nation, are finally waking up to the fact that government, which is supposed to work FOR us, is actually working AGAINST us, and has been for a very long time.

It'd be the greatest thing to happen to GH since whats-their-names went on the run from Frank Smith.

Speaking of Phil's murder, did anyone here watch the story in "real time"? Was the reveal shocking, or was it underwhelming? Given what I know about the storyline, I question whether I would have found the denouement satisfying. I feel like "Who Killed Phil Brewer?" was one of those stories that demanded a huge, shocking twist, like "Surprise! Phil actually killed himself!".

Fourteen months since Willow began faking her cancer? Way to trust the plan, girl!

No, Jamey Giddens was responsible for the camp, Ron handles just the racist tropes.

Actually, @yrfan1983, I wouldn't mind if Michael Corbett returned to Y&R, but not as David, and only after Tricia Cast returns for an extended visit. I'd want to see Nina's reaction to the newcomer who bares more than a striking resemblance to her late husband!

I agree, @Broderick. What early Y&R and "golden era" ATWT held in common was an emphasis on the inner, emotional and psychological lives of its' characters. On both shows, stories moved very slowly, because TPTB wanted their viewers to pay closer attention to how and why the characters behaved and felt the way they did.

In a way, I think Reva (and KZ) would have benefitted from Douglas Marland's writing. She wouldn't have been as wild, but she wouldn't have dominated the show as much either. I guess I'm one of the few GL fans who enjoyed even that period of time in the show's history, lol.

Yes, and that's because they, along with the rest of the media, continue to operate under the belief that there is a large and mostly untapped contingent of voters in this country whose views aren't being represented in the mainstream. They look at how FOX News and its' ilk are doing in cable and they desire a piece of that pie for themselves. (Never mind that FOX News skews older, white and male in an industry that grows more irrelevant by the minute.) Put aside the fallacy in that assumption, however, and ask yourselves this question: does the rest of this country and this world really NEED to hear what those on the right and far-right are saying? I'm all for allowing all voices to be heard, but not if some of those voices just want to make "others" out of everyone who isn't like them.