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What about that period alienated you in the long term? I'm curious. From everyone's disappointed comments about the present incarnation, I have no doubt the show is "even worse" now, alas. Dingles AND a horde of kids would kill me. I agree; I am sure I'd loathe it, particularly since most of the characters I actually cared about are gone, and the family I cannot tolerate is center stage. The show never did much to commenorate the death of Annie Sugden, I presume. I did not hear about any returns of flashbacks. I'm at the point where I'd rather have my once-favorite soaps laid to rest, rather than seeing them butchered year after year. What's happened to Days of our Lives is a travesty. Just end it already.

The last time I had regular viewing access to Emmerdale was during the Gavin Blyth period. Since I have missed out on having to endure all the damage done to the show in recent years, my memories of the village are still fond. I wonder how much I would hate it if I watched the current incarnation. I was curious to see what characters whom I knew were still on the canvas in 2022. I was AGHAST to see that the show is still so overrun with DINGLES. 🤮 https://emmerdale.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_longest_running_characters

Franco needed to die (the sooner, the better), but killing off Karen and Logan was short-sighted and stupid. Josh Duhon actually looked like he could have been Scotty's son. I heartily agree that the way GH marginalizes and sidelines its beloved vets is shameful.

When Days moves to Peacock Plus, there will be a huge backlog of episodes left to stream; episodes already "in the can," produced under the present punitive, cheap conditions and written by the dread RC. As it is, such a small number of people watch this mess for FREE; how many viewers are going to search it out on a streaming service and PAY to watch it? A new writing team and production format should have been in place for the launch on Peacock, to give old and new viewers an incentive to tune in. Six more months of the same old crap won't cut it.

Particularly with Days shooting 27 episodes a week, LOL!

It really collapsed quickly, alas.

I enjoyed Lois and Clark the first season, but then TPTB downplayed the relationships and characterization, and the show turned pedestrian and campy. IMHO, of course. I did not make it through the second year.

Of course, no one HAS EVER announced the certainty that "the P&G soaps will ever see the light of day." Not "en masse," anyway. Posters express their "It would be so great if...." fantasies about seeing more vintage material, and their hopes that additional treasures from the past will be unearthed one day. But no one on this board expresses delusions about significant amounts of classic P&G material being released. It's been widely accepted for decades that the company wiped the bulk of their videos up until the late 1970s. The delusions about delusions are non-existent.

Carl, the actress in the Stove Top commercial is K Callan. Here she is in a clip from All in the Family.

No. Her name is skirting around the very edges of my memory, however. She was a charactrer actress who appeared in various sitcoms back in the day.

Thanks!

Thank you, Carl.

Yes. I'm not negating the dumping-in-the-river story because, as you say, it allegedly happened 50 years or so ago, but I'd like to have more than one person's (Adams') word for it, just like I'd want to have confirmation about the wiping of P&G tapes from more than just Zenk. Of the two stories, I would give more credence to Adams', however. I'm not old enough to have watched Dumont's programming, but it saddens me how little of it is reported to survive, no matter how the rest of the archives got destroyed.

True. The story about about Dumont's video archives being dumped in the river has always sounded somewhat peculiar to me, which is why I used "allegedly." Stories with only a germ of truth in them get told and retold and distorted often, but end up being accepted as fact. Doing some quick searching right now, it's said that the story about Dumont's material being thrown in the river originated from Ernie Kovac's wife Edie Adams, during a hearing on television preservation in 1997. While I may have some doubts about the accuracy of her claims, Adams' account of the fate on vintage TV material, as transcribed below, is very interesting. (Well, to me, LOL!) https://web.archive.org/web/20070927072638/http://www.loc.gov/film/hrng96la.html

It's suspicious to me that the facebook page in question has no information about the founder, and various messages responding to his posts hawking his DVDs are not visible. And where are the chatty messages from among members/followers? Red flags, galore.

ITA. It would be an arduous waste of time and effort to wipe all the material that still existed. I could see them just throwing everything into the garbage before going through all the trouble of wiping it. The legendary Dumont Television Network produced more than 20,000 hours of programming durings its 1946-1956 heyday. After the network folded, their archives were allegedly destroyed; dumped into New York's East River because no one wanted to store the material any more. I don't believe P&G could legally do that to the environment these days, but dumping soap tapes into the trash would still be more logical than trying to wipe them all out of existence. Ideally, P&G would donate their archives to UCLA, Paley, the Museum of Broadcast, the Library of Congress, wherever.

I'd start off by asking for a DVD, or maybe two, as a test. Do not send an unknown (unfamiliar to you or to trusted sources) sellers a significant amount of money at first. If you ask around, many traders have been lied to and ripped off by dishonest vendors over the years. I once had someone tell me he had a collection of The Guiding Light episodes from the 1970s. He wanted $2000.00 upfront. Um...that was a big NO.

In a Daily TV Serials magazine interview from 1974, Jacquie Courtney said that she had had copies made of many of her episodes of AW. I've often wondered what happened to that collection after she passed away. Viewers would be orgasmic to see vintage episodes that Courtney valued enough to preserve.

Thanks @victoria foxton! I just dropped by to post the same link!

The majority of fans would probably agree that the period starting with Barnabas' introduction is the show's zenith, but I personally loved the inital months before he showed up. If you skip them, there are story points that you'll miss. Just be prepared: the show is very slow and talky at first, the scenes are long, and only a handful of characters appear in each episode (all of which I found nostalgic and relaxing). ITA.

My favorite after Flannery was Susan Oliver, whom I accepted in the role instantly. Forsyth was okay, but JLB was a total and painful miscast.

He's been selling for many years, as long as I've been aware of his presence on the internet. Eager soap fans must always remember to use caution when sending money to sellers unless those sellers have been vetted by reputable sources (i.e. friends or other SON members). The high number of "traders" and "sellers" who ripped me off over the years made me stop dealing with strangers completely.

I thought Catherine Burns was very good as Cathy Craig. When she was replaced by Amy Levitt, I accepted it begrudgingly because AL was okay, but then, when Levitt was replaced by Jane Alice Brandon, I was displeased because (IMHO), JAB was a weak and rather annoying actress. Dorrie Kavanaugh was excellent and lasted the longest in the role. Jennifer Harmon was fine, but after all the recasts, I felt the character had been burned out and needed a rest. I would have been really disappointed if Strasser had been the upteenth recast. She was born to play Dorian. Over the years, various actors have made known their bitterness over the meager pay they were given on OLTL in the show's early years. The anger seemed to grow in the mid-1970s, when ABC hired Jacquie Courtney and George Reinholt at salaries substantially higher than what even the most popular veteran actors of the series were receiving. According to some actors who spoke out, ABC told them, "Take what we offer or leave." When you're a vet earning $20,000 a year and see brand-new actors coming aboard and starting at $35,000...that's demeaning. Nancy Pinkerton, Doris Belack and others quit over the insulting money disparity.

I thought Tommy Lee Jones as Mark Toland was really hot. The story with Mark and Dorian accidentally killing a patient named Rachel Wilson and then letting poor Larry be accused of the crime was gripping. (Well, to be fair, Dorian ended up in a coma, so she couldn't confess.) The original conception of Victor Lord was interesting. He was an authoriation and no-nonsense, but the idea that he would later be revealed as a degenerate was appalling. I thought Vinne Wolek and Wanda Webb were cute together. Eileen Seigel was a bit of a pain in the butt, but her son Tim was a sex god. Cathy Burns was an excellent Cathy Craig. When Cathy's daughter Meghan (by Joe Riley) died while Viki was driving...that was another engrossing plot. After Carla had been romantically linked to Jim Craig, TPTB changed the actors from Robert Milli to Nat Polen. That was just so wrong. EEK! I adored Nat Polen, but the idea of him and Ellen Hollty as a pair just did not seem feasible. The show dropped all references to their past, I believe, and Carla and Jim were then only platonic friends. What I remember most about Ed's and Carla's wedding is that there a bunch of African-American guests whom we had never seen before, but who supposed to be friends of the happy couple. Did you know that Dixie Carter played Dorian for a while, and that Ester Rolle played Sadie? Claire Malis was excellent as Dorian. It's a miracle with all the recasting of the role, there was never a weak actress playing Dorian. My pleasure! I could chat about vintage soaps all day!

I thought Malis' Dorian was more vulnerable than eith NP's version or RS's version. I liked Malis a lot. She could still be a shrew, LOL, but she had her soft moments. IIRC, Malis' portrait as Dorian had her in the same pose and outfit as Pinkerton, with just the head being different.