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@slick jonesand all trivia lovers:

Did we know that Eddie Cibrian (nowadays best known for being LeAnn Rimes' husband, I guess) got his start on B&B before being hired for Y&R as Matt Clarke (after unsuccessfully auditoning for Nick Newman)!?

Haven't seen his dayplayer episode yet, but he is credited in #1813 as "Dave"

43 minutes ago, AbcNbc247 said:

Hahaha thanks for the warning.

I'm on 1845 right now. Jessica's birthday party and the aftermath of it, and I feel like I'm watching an episode of 90210 

This is something we should always remember: it was the high point of BH90210 and Melrose Place craze back then and - I think - the similar style of B&B was part of an attempt to cash in on it. B&B had great household ratings on CBS but rather lackluster rating in the demographics…

First and foremost: Thanks to everyone who contributed to the Vault this year and special thanks to @ChickenNuggetz92 for building this treasure trove.

I have reached #1800 (end of May 1994…) and wanted to share my comments: the show is still interesting to watch, but not that different from one of the better 2021 or 2022 periods. The actors and some episodes are wonderful, yet this edge of your seat feeling from 1993 is missing. Some stuff is indeed repetitive and the focus on Ridge and Brooke’s love live is showing wear and tear. (In all honesty, I felt the same about 1988 and 1989 episodes with Ridge & Caroline!) Plus, some stories or directions for characters come out of nowhere. E.g. I don’t buy Stephanie & Eric in whatever kind of relationship status they are now. She harps about being sooo lonely in her house, yet she is still with Jack!? Eric issues all kinds of accusations at Sheila, yet at this period it is him who is showing his wife the cold shoulder and spending all his time with Stephanie. This leads to some far-reaching events like James’ fascination with Sheila and her zest to take more extreme measures. The build up to what is to come is good (I always pictured Dr. Garvin to die muuuuuuuuuch sooner and the Houdini dungeon wayyyyyy later), but the initial switch of positions for all these character was rather sudden.

Seeing the first episodes of Dylan (what a 80s DYNASTY style hairdo!) and Jessica (sheesh, what a green “actress” and out of this world characterisation!!!) made me realise that I was watching B&B fulltime by then. I must have started right around Taylor’s plane crash because a lot of these scenes and episodes look very familiar to me all of a sudden. As a new viewer (of young age no less) who had previously only watched occasionally, I was absolutely spellbound by these episode. Now my verdict is way less favourable. The entrances of Dylan and Jessica in particular are already super boring and I’m dreading their romance.

Awesome promo. Probably much grimmer than what will happening on screen. Still great!

11 hours ago, kalbir said:

In 1997? The 2003 negotiation fell through due to a pay cut I remember, and Victoria was off screen from December 2003 until March 2005.

2003 was indeed a pay cut - because they cut her episode guaranatees drastically which Heather Tom saw as a sign that she was supposed to be sidelined - and she would not take that.

6 minutes ago, soapfan770 said:

 

HT last airdate: 2/21/97

SA first airdate: 4/2/97

SA last airdate 7/18/97

HT return airdate: 10/3/97

I don’t recall how Tom left although I wonder if Aldrich was supposed to be permanent as she was even added to the opening credits lol.

 

I could be totally wrong on this one but I recall it that Heather Tom had a nasty contract dispute and simply walked out on the show. That's why they had trouble to find an immediate replacement... Sarah Aldrich bombed and Eric Braeden was not happy with her, so producers asked Heather Tom to return which she did. That's how it was reported in the gossip columns of SOD and Soap Opera Update. When Heather Tom was back on screen, they suddenly made it all sound like it was planned all along as a sabbatical.

4 hours ago, divinemotion said:

Stephanie is lost as a character 1994 and 1995. She basically lacks a storyline and it's disturbing that Brad gives her only obsessing with a teen and her sex life.

I think part of the problem was that B&B scored pretty old in the domographics while DAYS skyrockted in the ratings. Therefore we got teen love stories instead of Eric&Stephanie&Jack. I get your point, though: Stephanie needed a proper motivation to meddle and this was lacking in 1994.

On 12/10/2022 at 8:22 AM, Videnbas said:

Meanwhile, Jessica and Dylan are incredibly uninteresting together, and Stephanie's obsession with her 17 year old niece's love life (and her conviction that having a boyfriend will automatically make Jessica get pregnant and drop out of school) ridiculous.

During my first viewing many moons ago as a teen, I was quite surprised that Stephanie and Eric were so anti-Dylan - I simply did no get the antagonism. It's not like he is a 60+ sugar-daddy, wearing ripped leather jeans and riding a bike plus having a criminal record the size of Italy - actually, I always thought that Dylan was very un-edgy.  That made it all the more ridiculous. I was still somewhat invested in that storyline. Cue to 2022, I expect to simply HATE Stephanie and Eric and be ANNOYED by Dylan and Jessica because they are super boring. Did they have anything which qualified as a set of friends or storlyine? WIth Michael's and Jasmine's arrival it got much better, but the first 10 (?) are probably dreadful.

8 hours ago, Videnbas said:

I'm always a little confused about the rooms in Sally's apartment (other than the living room of course). I think we see two separate (but kind of similar) bedrooms, neither of which seems to belong to CJ.

Good that I'm not the only one. I also think that besides the living we only ever had Sally's bedroom (her early days with Clarke and later ca. 2001 with Massimo (I think) and another bedroom in which Macy stayed when things looked bad with Thorne (so quite often LOL). I also cannot remember that C.J. ever had a room which us viewers saw...

6 hours ago, Marquise said:

hi huys does anyone know with what episode number starts 1997? The official YT chanel is uploading episodes saying they are from november 1996 when they should be from 1997. Thanks! 

This is the first episode of 1997: #2452 which aired Janaury 2, 1997.

Pardon me for interupting with a VERY important question

Episode #1778 feautures a HUGE kitchen set for Sally's condo which I think was never seen before and afterwards. I think meals were usually eaten in Sally's living room. Or can anybody remember any other occurence of Sally's kitchen?

On 12/9/2022 at 10:17 PM, dragonflies said:

That ending

 

I'm not up to date but saw the ending on Instagram. What a fabulous piece of twisted soap opera goodness.

1 hour ago, dragonflies said:

Looks like Alley Mils is back for the Christmas episode

 

 

Awesome - nice that they included Pam and Charlie

On 12/9/2022 at 4:04 PM, dragonflies said:

I guess I'm naive, I never realized till seeing what Meghan endured, how racist people in the UK are. 

Just my two cents: England is still very much a class system. It's not so much your skin color but your status and upbringing which might get you ahead or confront you with hardships to break up barriers. In case of Meghan Markle: did I get it right that she wanted to be hugged by Kate who did not respond as the prime source of her feeling racism within the royal family?

um okay, I get that as the new girl entering in an intimidating family she wanted to fit right in and searched for an alliance with the other daughter-in-law. But could be it as simple as that you sometimes do not get along as human beings. And a wannabe star actress trying to headline her own version of the Princess Diary is not necessarily the most unbiased source. For me it still looks more like very standard personal issues. Which should have stayed personal, IMO.

It's Harry and Meghan version of how they felt but there so many parts that sound a little "strange". For instance: they are accusing the royals of playing a game with the British press. Yet, for this Netflix project "the Sussexes" heavily rely on one interview to tell their version of the truth. An interview with the late Diana which was REVEALED to have been fake by the BBC!??? Okay...

I wanted to share my two cents on the 1994 episodes graciously uploaded to the Vault. I have reached # 1772 which originally aired in April 1994 on CBS. It seems I was not yet a regular viewer beck then because most of the episodes feel fresh to me. I have read extensive recaps over the years, therefore it is fascinating no less to actually see some of these developments as they unfolded on the screen. As many of you mentioned, it’s not all holding up that well.

In my last episode: Ridge was expressing his happiness over Stephanie getting closer to Eric. This felt super shady considering that Stephanie is NOT solo but in a relationship with Ridge’s father-in-law. Jack is also such a void by now and reduced to Taylor’s sounding board; as a matter of fact, I think it was never mentioned what Jack’s new job was after he left the accounting job at Spectra.

And Taylor? Spring 1994 is absurd for this character. I always pictured her and James making love as a cringeworthy scene arising out of life and death moment. That’s what was told on screen, but the fake “snow make-up” which made Taylor and James look like the cast of some 70s vampire movie did not transport a life and death crisis onto the screen. And boy, the last couple of weeks Taylor has had the same conversation over and over: she wants to clear her conscience while Jack and James advise her against it (which is questionable for both characters) and Stephanie and Brooke immediately know that James and Taylor slept with each other. They not just realize that a secret is kept, they know exactly what this secret is!? But back to Taylor: the genius solution of a renowned psychologist invited as speaker to a world wide conference is to write her husband a LETTER in which she confesses. Boy – this sure made a lot of sense. NOT

Macy and Anthony make a decent storyline. The scenes with little CJ who is banking on him to become his new daddy were sweet. As @Videnbas pointed out, Thorne’s absence in Paris in all of this is just preposterous, though. While watchable, 1994 truly feels like a Spelling primetime soap. We get twists and turns – but not all of them make sense.

49 minutes ago, janea4old said:

I'm curious, to ask, for those who were watching back when the Gloworm club existed, what was it like?

In my memory it was a rather tacky looking set (supposed to be a remodeled Indigo Jazz club, once owned by Neil???)  in which Judith Chapman was prancing around as Gloria, sometimes funny but quite often not so much. I think it was during that time that Tad Shackleford was feautured quite promimently as her "loverman" Jeff. 

20 minutes ago, Marquise said:

https://archive.org/details/f-1-cbs-ynrs

guys i found this can anyone help with episode numbers please

The first B&B episode is #1724 which is already in the Vault. The other is there, too. BoldRestless provided the airdates for the Y&R episodes it seems. 

EDIT: just watched the climax of one of the Y&R episodes: Cole walking out on his "father" Victor. Powerful stuff - Y&R used to be soooo good.

4 hours ago, YRfan23 said:

I always figured 1994 wasn’t nearly as strong as 1993, but it’s interesting that everyone on here notices the dip in quality compared to Bill and Bradley’s writing. I guess 94-97 seems better in hindsight compared to how messy everything on the show seems now. I do wonder if Thudley really was inspired by the likes of JER and the other more outlandish soap writers. 

We should not forget that the mid 90s were in Melrose Place craze. DAYS also excelled in the extreme stuff. I think this was the influence of the times for Brad Bell to got for HUGE shockers and some more OOC plots.

21 hours ago, janea4old said:

 

Who is the woman on the left? Who is the man on the right?

The man on the right seems to be Ian Buchanan‘s partner/husband. There are quite a lot of pics of them together on Instagram. The woman far left - no idea, but in the overall picture: she probably JoanNa Johnson‘s partner/girlfriend

11 hours ago, YRfan23 said:

Another new upload from January 15, 1990!!!  
 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nGzC6IECCZE&t=3s

Woohoo -thanks for sharing!

BTW, I hope that someone of you guys is still tech-savvy enough to save this vid from YouTube and put in the Vault.

7 hours ago, Marquise said:

watching now Jessica and Dylan i remember that i must have been around 18 when i first saw these episodes and the story seemed to me very real. A girl falls in love with a boy, the boy has a crush on another more popular girl lol. BTW i was not popular at all a lot like Jessica.

In that case I get why you could relate to her. For me Dylan and Jessica were the standard teen pairing on soaps which equals to fast forward material...  One of the few exception were the original Amber years and the Glo by Jabot kids on Y&R. I can't think of any other teen set I ever liked. And with Jessica I have ZERO hopes that I will find her more interesting than in the first run. It's amazing that Dylan Neal made a serious career after this role: he was super handsome and had charisma but he could not elevate the material back then and for me Dylan and Jessica were just okay as a couple. And the many scenes with Stephanie and Eric were so cringe-worthy - and it got even more ridiculous when John Forrester was never shown and Maggie (who showed up 11 months later) was well Maggie.

7 hours ago, Joseph said:

Yes During The Original Airing back in 1991-92, that's actually Prime Time Here, or used to be, It Aired After Manchete's Main Telenovela at the Time, I Have The feeling That The Unpopularity of "Amazonia" Contributed to the Low Ratings B&B got here though, as For The Second Airing on Rede Baideirantes in 1999 it Aired On the Afternoon, at 3 P.M., As shown on The 3rd Vid, Unfortunately it only lasted 4 months there

What time period of B&B was aired in 1999? Did they continue with 1988 or did they choose more current stuff?

4 hours ago, Forever8 said:

Since 1994 has been a topic of discussion here's a news segment on behind the scenes. 

 

Thanks for sharing. Judging by the clips this is from Fall 1994

29 minutes ago, Joseph said:

I came across This and I Felt Like Sharing:

Here Are A Few Promos and Clips Of When B&B Was Launched In here Brazil, I said A Few Times The Only 2 Soaps To Ever Be aired Here were Santa Barbara (1991 -92) and The Bold and The Beautiful (1991 - 92), With The Title "Paixão e Ódio" (Passion and Hate) but They Tried B&B again In 1999, in a Different Network! This Time with a more Translated Title (Belas e Intrépidas) which is basically the Bold and The Beautiful in portuguese

How very cool. I had read remarks that B&B aired in Brazil but never knew about the time frame. They aired it late at night at 10.30 pm? Interesting
I guess the Telenovela industry is just too big and there is no other major market which would pay for the portuguese dubbing. However, I can't think of a mjor spanish market for B&B either despite that it is simulcast in Spanish in the US since 2001. It just never clicked with Latin audiences I guess. As we all know, it's very popular in many French and English speaking foreign markets, though

22 hours ago, Videnbas said:

Oh, and I have no words for how much I loathe Eric for having a vasectomy behind his wife's back knowing she wants children!

I'm curious as to how I feel about it this time around. Back then, I could get Eric's reasoning while I detested Stephanie who pushed him to the vasectomy. The marriage to Sheila was already in grave danger who - of course - deserved all my sympathy.

5 hours ago, Videnbas said:

I thought so too, but then I heard her say she was 18, and a few weeks later she said she was 19 (this was around the time of Jessica's 17th birthday party). 

I guess being a "super model" makes her seem older and more experienced. But learning how young she really is made me see her in a different light.

True

care to share your general feelings about spring/summer 1994?

28 minutes ago, Videnbas said:

Ivana is one character I can't see this time around without thinking about her gruesome end. It makes me see her in a much more positive light than I remember. That, and the realization that she is a teenager who will never see her 20th birthday. She is only two years older than Jessica - I don't think I really understood before that she was so young.

Ivana is really supposed to be that young? I always pictured her as 25 years+ back then

2 hours ago, Marquise said:

OMG an Angel is uploading the episodes from 1994 from Vidoeland without suptitels! Got bless you! I wish all were like that

 

Really!? Now this is splendid. The can’t beat picture quality of Videoland without the subtitles. It’s like we have never seen this show before… compare it your old VHS tapes of B&B in the 90s!? It’s like night and day. Thank you to whoever you are!!!!