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Gosh, even The Wrap isn't knowledgeable about daytime: 'Production sources at the other two remaining daytime dramas — ABC’s “General Hospital” and Peacock’s “Days of our Lives” — told TheWrap that their shows still have breakdown writers alongside script writers.'

@Faulkner What's crazy is that Y&R updates the opening sequence almost every episode, which is why we see JW, ED, CG, EH featured only the episodes they appear. I suppose spending a few thousand dollars on a photo shoots probably does matter these days. Y&R is an incredibly vet heavy cast. People whined about newbies over vets, but those newbies help make shows profitable. It's not called show *business* for nothing.

So why isn't CH represented in the opening? Sally's s been there for 2+ years now. They have no problem customizing the openings almost daily (e.g., Jill, Mariah, Chloe, Ashley, etc.). Other obvious additions: Diane, Summer and Chance, but nothing is more glaring than Sally, who has been driving stories for a while now.

Steffy's was somehow appointed legal guardian, but not listed in any of the documents. The judge's 'I've got a full docket, bye!' was shockingly poor writing for B&B.

Despite the out-of-the-blue hearing, the Douglas choosing Steffy is a great twist to the whole Thomas/Hope custody drama. Of course, for the next xxx weeks/months, Hope/Thomas will be pleading their case to Steffy with multiple variations of the same dialogue: Thomas: 'He's my flesh and blood.' 'I'm his father.' 'He's my son.' Hope: "Liam and I have given Douglas a real home.' 'I'm the only mother he's ever known' 'Stability, stability, stability!'

B&B *logic* 1. Taylor in danger because Sheila is free. Um, actually Taylor is the safest because she's the leverage! 2. Custody hearing the next day, but Hope isn't notified until the night before by the other party. We know they had to rush it because there's literally no other stories beyond Sheila, but you go from Thomas begging for his job and playing nice on Tuesday to handing custody papers Thursday. 3. The Brooke/Taylor stuff is hokey. Was it this bad when Stephanie/Brooke became friends? These women demeaned themselves for 30 years for the same man - fights, schemes, lies, etc. And why would Ridge return to Brooke's house? Shouldn't he be living at Eric's? They were already dropping seeds that it'll be *destiny* as usual once TK returns.

Yeah! Even if she shows up for short arcs, I'll take it. Hopefully, her new pursuits are going well.

B&B somehow found gold with Katie/Sheila. As far as Katie's heart, remember Katie's out-of-the-blue check-up with Paris' mother before Christmas? Grace was shocked Carter was there for Katie. As we know, Grace was pushing Paris/Carter big time. Knowing B&B, those supposedly random scenes aren't really random. Grace/Sheila future allies? Might be interesting. Yes, these are strange times with Bill/Sheila, but nothing is odder than Taylor/Brooke. I suppose the latter is easier to accept because it's KA as Taylor so it's feels like a new character. SK makes you want to root for Deacon/Sheila.

Spot on! Man, Monday's scenes were the same. What I will restate: HT is a master. Taking horrific, wordy, nonsensical dialogue and turning into something *and* with waterworks! I just wish Katie wasn't such a blah character. Imagine what HT could've done on Y&R instead of her 15 years on B&B ...

It would've worked better if Deacon and Sheila plotted to trick Bill. I was sold on the Deacon/Sheila connection and SK/KB are great scene partners B&B's only other barely stories: - Thomas getting his job back - Almost overnight in B&B time, Paris forgot about Zende and invited Thomas to move in - Brooke/Taylor's weird friendship - Ridge *finding* himself - Carter going shirtless. I can't ever recall the show having so little going on. Take away Sheila/Bill and, you have the above *no* stories and no stories in the pipeline either. At a minimum, start putting some stress on Finn/Steffy after the Bill fling reveal. I don't get how B&B could be this poorly managed.

@Taoboi Isn't this *magical* unseen connection tactic exactly the same as Eric/Quinn and Quinn/Carter? They've reused the Eric/Quinn dialogue/scenes with everyone in town warning Eric that Quinn was *toxic* except the special word is *dangerous* - I think there was one episode where Steffy used the word *toxic* at least 5 times when talking about Quinn and Grandad. I actually like that B&B sometimes just jumps into a new story to reset the show. However, when Sheila appeared at Deacon's months ago, she did say she access to resources. It seems Brad did have this story brewing at that point. But like you and others have said, why can't they show us in a flashback the beach scene? Unless, of course, that beach scene played out very differently than the way Bill/Shelia have shared.

@BoldRestless@Taoboi Mary Williams was a great character. Unlike the sanctimonious hypocrites, Mary was able to dish out her *insights* because she lived a pretty clean life and was shockingly direct as we saw in the scene with Lauren. Mary was great comic relief, but also provided Y&R with a voice for common sense. She also was a fantastic on-screen partner to Paul's women - Lauren, Christine, Cassandra, Isabella. Mary would've diced and sliced GloWorm in fine fashion.

It still blows my mind that TB debuted 40 years ago. It's a pity that Lauren isn't the mover and shaker that she should be. No Brad was the only real omission. Paul got more play than I expected with the Mary scene a nice bonus. The Sheila scenes were spot-on. Better Jill/Phyllis scenes exist, but they made the point. SSH was perfect as Joanna. Of course, the funniest part of no Neil F or Brad scenes - they went on to father and son on B&B.

Brad: Awesome idea on how to get Thomas back in Hope's world: let's throw FC's Black designer *and* the founder of FC under the bus! Pretty soon everyone will forget that he r@ped Caroline, murdered a woman by forcing her off the road, stalked Hope, faked his own death and abused his son, etc. Taylor & Ridge will be so proud of their son for saving HFTF. Even Brooke will concede that Thomas deserves to be back and is best man for her daughter. OC, Liam will be devastated and turn to Brooke, which is the real endgame here. B&B is needlessly going off the rails.

Exactly. No gay couples, latinos, - even working at FC. While Bel Air is probably as white as portrayed, it's disappointing B&B hasn't found a way to tap into LA's rich cultural diversity. The only thing I can think of that it's intentional because of the huge international audience, which may just want to watch rich American white folk.

At least SC delivered some very GIF-worthy looks and moves this week. B&B actors must be directed to be incredibly stiff, but SC gets some sort of pass. His physical movements - e.g., when Sheila started Liam/Wyatt - make these repetitive heavy drama scenes a little more fun. It's unfortunate that Liam really got boxed into that triangle for years. After learning they had a rich dad, either Liam or Wyatt should've a wild boy sleeping and partying their way through LA.

@dragonflies I seriously doubt Finn and Steffy would've been in states of undress if Li's arrival had been called in by security. They may have an approved list, but the door would still be locked if they're that afraid of the evil mastermind who has been known to slither past security. It's amusing, that's all. B&B needs to get some B-stories launched ASAP. There's no need to burn through this story so quickly. Balance would actually benefit the show greatly and make this Bill/Sheila stuff (a little) less jarring.

Any remember the scripts B&B used when everyone found out that Eric was with Quinn. Eh, no need to recall, they've been on our screen the past 2 weeks. They even worked in *toxic* instead of *dangerous* Oh, can we talk about Li and Taylor both walking right in Finn/Steffy's house without knocking? If they're so afraid of Sheila, wouldn't they: 1) lock the doors; 2) hire private security; 3) move into the Forrester Mansion, etc. It's things like this that makes some of the *fear* so laughable. On top of the fact, that if Sheila wanted to harm anyone, she would've done it during the months when everyone, except Brooke, believed she was dead.

Sheila froze her eggs, Bill *donated* and DIANA is carrying the demon seed for her mother. Honestly, it would be worth the two weeks of repetitive Forrester/Logan/Spencer Boys meltdowns for them to do it. DD isn't a great actor, but he does have presence. It's been refreshing watching KB given material where she is far more restrained and dare I say, *normal* - it's a side to her skills rarely seen during the past 25 years. Everything was always smirking, screaming, scheming, angry, OTT stuff.

Lucy slept with her uncle Ray on 'Dallas' 40+ years ago and no one blinked. For B&B with Rick, played by a different actor at the time and off canvas - and not returning any time soon - it'll never come up. Plus, B&B churns through a story and moves on as if it never happened. For example, I'd totally forgotten about Bill/Steffy and the potentially Kelly paternity tease. The Taylor shooting is a rare revisit by Brad.

Super interesting script choice today to have DD have only one line. HT had a ton of uninterrupted long dialogue and somehow makes it effortless. @dragonflies Like Taylor's ridiculously long absences from the canvas, Karen should've been there - even in a limited capacity - after all the Thomas stuff. Yes, Liam is a blood relative, but I can't fathom Karen/Bill combo wouldn't go to court (*bribe a judge*) to get Douglas into his grandmother's care. It's absolutely illogical.

@dragonflies You're correct, except I believe it was established that somehow there was never any physical evidence at the scene. I always thought that was the clear out for Sheila because even the Sinn testimony could've been discounted by a jury: Finn's coma/miraculous return from the dead, Steffy's previous drug problem, the fact it was well-known neither accepted Sheila. Sheila is free, Brad will shut down this story in a few weeks unless they bring back Diana. If not, Sheila will simply leave town a free woman. The big problem with B&B now is that they literally have nothing else going on, but this story. Thomas was exposed, the Ridge triangle is done, Carter can only be *accidentally* shirtless in his office for Katie so many times. Eric/Donna, Hope/Liam - happily married with zero conflicts or threats. Wyatt, Zende, Paris - like who cares at this point. The show needs a major reboot. Killing Eric off could reset the show, *revealing* Sheila conspired with Massimo to change Ridge's paternity test could provide some good material. Brooke taking over Forrester from Steffy, etc. Thomas starting his own fashion house would work, except they've made Thomas repulsive. Maybe it's time for RJ, Will III and Diana to come in - mix it up with Zende and Paris. Unfortunately, B&B is terrible at integrating new characters.

Unless they bring Diana, this should fizzle in two months. Will they go with Bill/Sheila/Deacon triangle? In the meantime, I fully expect some entertaining Sheila/Bill scenes with Brooke, Taylor, etc. but that can only go so far. If Brad really put some effort, Sheila attempting to reconnect with Finn would be interesting. Of course, this new freedom allows Sheila to show up in Genoa City for Y&R's 50th Anniversary. There's no way that Sheila/Lauren can be omitted from this season.

Exactly. That's the biggest issue when Sheila gets written into extremism. A better story would've been for Steffy to align herself with Sheila after she discovered the Brooke 'why did I drink' scheme to break up Ridge and Brooke. Ironically, they ended up doing that - with Thomas, but pretty much ruined Thomas to get there. But all of these Sheila-related stories did boost the ratings last year, which is the goal. Perhaps, Brad really does know what the average B&B viewer wants.

This is true. I binged some of the early episodes and the only one I recall where Sr + Brooke had words was at a party at Forrester house. I got the sense that Sr. appreciated that Brooke was there for Caroline. Perhaps, it wasn't explicit, but that would be the reason Sr. couldn't ever hate Brooke. The great thing about B&B is that if the $B/Sheila chemistry story flatlines, the show will quickly end it. Sheila will have her freedom and leave town. The $B/Sheila scenes have very Goth vibes - almost something from Dark Shadows or Edge of Night. It's quite unusual for B&B, which has made it interesting to watch. Plus, KB has been given pure dramatic material without the hysteria, lunacy and screaming. Cool, calculating and manipulative Sheila is a far better watch. I get some viewers hating Sheila and wanting her gone. But without her, what exactly does the show have to offer in its current state? Quinn was basically a less lethal Sheila, but with RS gone, it's a pretty boring canvas.