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KKL absolutely deserves a win at some point in her career. Brooke is only a viable character because of KKL.

Good grief, even SF commented on the lack of Emmy love for KKL. I'm sure some of SF's Emmy wins included many scenes with KKL.

I wonder what scenes KKL submitted for this year. Maybe something with AN?

On 4/17/2024 at 4:25 AM, Althea Davis said:

They better prep this up for a Lauren-Sheila war. I know it's been done to death, but it's still fun and these two actresses have immense chemistry. 

Yes, please! I disagree with done to death? When was the last time the KB + TB actually shared scenes? Maybe I missed it, but I don't think they've done anything together after Sheila turned up alive in 2017.

I'm not saying these first nominees aren't worthy...

It's just that those of us who watch/follow soaps would likely nominate several others.

B&B has never been strong with male leads - so this is *surprising*

@DramatistDreamer The difference between March Madness/US Open is that those are full pre-emptions. UEFA are partial pre-emptions. The reality is that the traditional soap viewer still watches on linear, especially for CBS.

If TG is pre-empted for UEFA in parts of the country, it's going to make it that much harder for viewers to stick with it/keep track of what's going on. Soaps are a habit.

I do think the partial pre-emptions are also part of the promo challenge. It's like 'Hey, ET/CT you get to watch the soaps + soccer, but MT/PT you may get some soaps, but you'll probably get soccer.' It would be better just to do full pre-emptions on those days.

I would love to see the numbers UEFA draws. Better than TT? Better than LMAD? Somehow I doubt either.

Does anyone know if CBS will air those UEFA matching in 2025? They are pretty frequent in 2024.

It certainly wouldn't help TG if it's pre-empted in the MT/PT time zones two days a week over several months after it's launch. Just sayin'

@dragonflies True, but KB/Sheila are far bigger. Like I mentioned in an earlier post - the 10-toes reveal had 500+ comments on TVLine - it's been a long time since any story had that engagement. The Talk cancellation is around 65.

Honestly, the character needs a break until Brad figures things out. He's absolutely bungled everything with Sheila except for the Deacon connection.

I just saw the 'Sugar' confirmation.

I suppose the *rationale* is that Sugar was trying to frame Sheila. I won't even speculate 'why'

Gosh, if I were writing this show in say 2004, I'd have Luna confront Zende with him taking advantage of her. If she chooses not to take legal action, make it a conscious choice. There's many valid reasons why someone chooses not to report. She should never apologize to RJ.

It would've been better if they both Zende and Luna consuming the mints together, which would remove the consent issue. The story is exactly the same, but Zende is forever tainted until he undergoes 3 weeks of therapy and is fine.

People have posted that KB is out of the intro and no longer in the credits. It's looking more probably that her contract wasn't renewed and nothing has been set. It seems odd that she'd be removed from the intro only to return soon. Perhaps, this was B&B choosing to have it both ways: KB's exit with the possibility of a return someday, as we all expected.

As the creator of the 'As The World Turns' thread in cancelled soaps, I couldn't be happier with today's news! I'm excited about TG and hope it's the start of soaps slowly returning to daytime!

In that picture, Deacon looks like he could be Finn's dad.

Let me guess: HopN join the search for Sheila. Hope because of Deacon and Finn because of Sheila. Steffy is not amused. Liam is doing Liam and lurking.

This could potentially be the *best* storyline since 'why did I drink' or just another new low. It's a tough call. In theory, something along those lines should work...

In the long run, this will help SINN because Steffy and Finn will have to fight to regain what they lost. JMW is the star and future of B&B, Steffy meddling in Thomas' affairs is uninspiring.

@YRfan23 I hope Sheila was kidnapped by Sugar's crew and not another fake death. The audience has had enough of psychotic Sheila. The romance with Deacon was the first step in *reforming* the character. Why undo that for the same garbage? Making Sheila a *victim* is the next logical step to returning Sheila to a master manipulator rather than this psycho caricature.

@Jeff You're absolutely right about KB's status with the show. It was widely known that KB signed a contract that kept her on until early 2024. It's absolutely plausible that B&B let her contract expire with no guarantee that she would be back. In fact, they may have told her Sheila is done. Even if they said that, do I believe there was a 'Sheila's dead. wink-wink'? Definitely.

Sheila being alive certainly generated almost 500 comments on TVLine - that is so far beyond the normal commentary, it's crazy! Honestly, I never believed a soap character could generate that kind of commentary there - especially from B&B. The Halloween tribute episode was one of B&B's highest rated of 2022. Like it or not, Sheila is important to B&B.

Honestly, homicidal Sheila never made sense. Sh*tstirrer Sheila is what people loved to watch. Bring that character back, please.

B&B without Sheila or Quinn is the 'Bored & Botoxed'

Brad created this mess 2.5 years ago with the illogical 'Why did I drink?' leading to Sheila pulling a gun on Steffy to keep the spiking a secret from Finn. Seriously, of all the sins Sheila has committed, an alleged drink spike (that Thomas knew about) would cause her to shoot Steffy? C'mon.

Better: Sheila could've admitted it Steffy and pushed for an alliance. Drunk Brooke breaking up with Ridge so he'd return to Taylor, Steffy would've been tempted by that - just like Thomas.

Sheila could've pushed Steffy into by saying:

'Steffy, remember when you shot me in Eric's hotel room? I'm not sure Finn wouldn't look at you the same way. Spiked drink or shooting his mother, which do you think sounds worse?'

So many other ways these wretched months could've gone if not for the alley shooting. I doubt any of them would be worse than what we've got now.

*10* seconds ... we're aware, Casey.

8 hours ago, YRfan23 said:

Hey, quick question, does anyone know the exact number for how many times Sheila appeared in March? It’s tricky to count because of the some of the appearances being just “haunting” Finn or appearances in the Morgue? 

It was just posted ... looks like only 3 episodes. I suppose they are saving Sheila *ghost* appearances for May sweeps! lol

Hollis would be hot, but not a Brooke-level scandal. Unless it's revealed that Hollis is the biological child of Eric/Sheila through some *lab chemistry* via Poppy.

It's down to Thomas or Liam. But Thomas already had a major thing for Brooke, the special berries. 

Liam creates the bigger scandal + it'd bring $B and Steffy into the storyline.

@janea4old Thanks for reposting the Nick + Lily scene. I actually watched that episode and thought - how are they not a couple? Talk about unexpected chemistry + they looked great together. I hope Y&R goes there - it would help both characters.

'She shot us!' I wish Finn would reply: 'You shot her first!'

Finn is so in the dark about so many things. It's super odd. He didn't know about $B + Steffy - what a let down when he got over it in a minute. That was a miss opportunity.

Finn finding out about Steffy and other Forrester secrets could be incredibly interesting material. Finn has this image that the Forresters are such paragons of virtue and class. It doesn't mean Finn would reject or judge them, but seeing him process it, while at the same time realizing that like Sheila, he will always be an outsider.

I always got the impression that Sheila was still *dead* on Y&R. So Sheila's death by bear didn't register, but this did? Bizarre.

Eric so slimy celebrating Sheila's death. Sheila was helping Eric when Steffy shot her. Ugh, this show is so frustrating.

AN killed it in that scene with Steff-anie.

'You gonna regret it' aka 'I gonna be banging bouncing bibbity by next week.'

Brad has lost it. B&B is the easiest show to course correct. He's done it for years. I'm not sure why we've gone through 2 complete years without a single compelling storyline. Nothing.

Bottom line: most of us who are complaining/boycotting are doing it because we miss our show, not because we hate it.

@dragonflies@Soapsuds@Althea Davis

That Quinn/Liam clip absolutely reaffirms my claims that Quinn was filling Sheila's role all those years. Seriously, how many Quinn scenes/storylines could've simply been slotted for Sheila?

Oh, and I absolutely loved Rena Sofer on B&B - she elevated every single one of her scene partners.

On 3/23/2024 at 1:35 PM, dragonflies said:

I think so @Jeff what other mystery could there be? lol 

How B&B became this consistently bad during the past two years. That's a mystery I'd really like solved.

@Althea Davis Steffy would be in jail if B&B *remembered* that Steffy shot Sheila in Eric's hotel room (2017).

Revealing that would make it a far more interesting story. I'm assuming Finn doesn't know. For him, it would explain why Sheila is *threatened* by Steffy and maybe why Sheila brought a gun to the alley, etc.  Sheila agreed to keep quiet for Eric's sake, which makes her a bit more sympathetic.

However, B&B only has 'good' and 'toxic' characters - there's not in between, which is a bummer.

@Althea Davis They probably took advantage of the fact that KB's contract was ending. Unlike Rena Sofer or Krista Allen, KB never said that contract negotiations failed or anything like that. That's also why KB is still *haunting* Finn.

If B&B ever intends on killing Sheila off for good, why wouldn't they set up a huge murder mystery? So many suspects. Heck, stage a huge bash with characters from Y&R visiting LA to celebrate some FC launch. Sheila crashes the party upping the drama. Close the episode with Sheila's 9-toed dead body floating in the Forrester pool.

Just another example of how far B&B has slipped: Steffy is facing potential murder charges, but she's focused on Thope.

This was an interesting tracking week. On Monday and Tuesday, B&B was quite close to Y&R in demos, but the bottom absolutely dropped out of B&B Wed - Fri.

I don't think B&B has ever had such a long period where it continues to slide. So many of us longtime viewer don't even want to tune in. I'm not sure what would get me back at this point.

@Althea Davis Hope was morally centered *because* of Brooke! It was absolutely believable that Hope would not want to emulate her mother's choices. In fact, it was one of the best decisions Brad made about the character.

While I'm all for Hope evolving, but this is a 180. It's not like there was some shocking event that caused Hope to question her previous choices or even a natural progression. It's like one day she woke up and decided to have a purely physical relationship with her stalker, abuser, etc.

Maybe this Thomas fling has been the part of the evolution to make the real shocker - HINN - a tad more believable.