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I couldn't see Brenda Epperson's Ashley playing some of Eileen Davidson's messier stories like feuding with Victoria over Cole or having an affair with Victor behind Nikki's back. Brenda Epperson's character seemed more well put together and nice than the original Ashley. All that being said she was a great recast (dare I say the better Ashley).
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Thats definitely how I feel about Y&R. When couples break up on Y&R it doesn't feel as impactful. It just feels like they'll be on to the next marriage in 2 seconds. When Sonny and Brenda broke up or Todd and Blair has a falling out if felt powerful. (I suppose because GH and OLTL went the supercouple route). Definitely agreed about All My Children in the 90s. There was ethnic and class diversity which made for a mix of more realistic characters. OLTL definitely had that youthful urban appeal with characters like Antonio, Natalie, RJ, Kerry.... that made Llanview seem like a place where you can hang out, compared to Genoa City.
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To me, 1998 was the last gold standard year for the show, but as I've said before I'd go with 2001 as the last solid quality year. To briefly rehash the verdict on MAB, that was the era of Y&R I grew up on. She wasn't great, neither was Lynn Marie Latham, but they were better than what followed post 2013. what killed her tenure were endless canonical rewrites, and too many doppelganger and surgically altered faced story lines! At the very least things happened on a daily basis, plus sets and classic musical cues were retained. However, I don't know how Y&R remained number one at the time. I found GH and OLTL (both on the quality sliding scale as well) to have a lot more action happening at the time.
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Damn! 91 was strong but Im gonna have to say 1998! Sandra Nelson as Phyliss, Cassie's custody battle, Crazy Sarah/Veronica, plus Victor and Diane's divorce. They just kept making it worse with the added complication of Cane, and making Jill Lauren's sister, then saying Tucker McCall was Kay's son and making Devon his son. One big cannon mess!! Speaking of all that I recently got into 2009 (a year no one cares about😂😂) on the YR channel. There was a lot going on between Nick/Sharon/Phyliss/Jack, Nikki and Paul almost getting married, Phillip's return Adam gas lighting Ashley, and the build up to Colleen's death. There was alot of crap, and it wasn't prime quality y&r but it was waaay easier to sit through than today show.
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I was thinking that myself. AMC --outside of B&B-- is the closest soap to Y&R. Mostly down to earth stories and glamorous back in its day, only AMC is better at exploring social issues and casual dialogue. I'm trying to get in to Marland era As the World turns but there's just so many characters. I love ATWT but can never quite get all the way in with because I don't know who's, and what connection they have half the time.
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I cant get into Days of Our Lives. The storylines from what I've seen are too wacky like Susan Banks, Marlena's possessions and New Salem. To this day I still can't. It's also hard because clips on YouTube aren't broken down by storylines (like the ABC soaps) which would have made things easier to follow instead of watching entire episodes. I couldn't get into AMC or Guiding Light becuase I remember them being sub par growing up in the 2000s. But once I had access to 90s clips I really enjoyed AMC and Guiding Light. The 80s and 2000s though I still can't get into where GL is concerned.
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Great uploads!!! Bold Restless, Antonia chapstick, YR, and Y&R Fans 23, 93 etc.... have really been on fire these past few months!!! (amongst others who I may not have mentioned) Thank u guys!!!!! Speaking of the yr channel I see they've uploaded some yearly episode playlists from the 90s forward. Excited about 2002 and 03 which are usually hard to find: https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCuJkTOrjRs3ygJNMk1dfm_A Probably uploaded already but lost in the shuffle: (5/21/03) Kay finds out Jill is her "daughter": https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_dA7KVkpZe0&list=PLoeEe7VyF-9lQNEdrstrxzlekMfMpnz2z&index=23 (5/21/03)Aftermath: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DeWbOde6j98&list=PLoeEe7VyF-9lQNEdrstrxzlekMfMpnz2z&index=22
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I agree that soaps shouldn't be five days a week, and should be kept to a 1/2 hour. 22 minutes though, not 18 watered down with commercials. For example, if it were CBS, (keeping soaps at 60 mins), I'd do: Mon-Wed Thu-Fri Y&R 1-2pm GL 1-2pm B&B 2-3pm ATWT 2-3pm (OR) Ideal Scenario (30 min soaps) Mon-Wed Thu-Fri Y&R 1-1:30pm GL 1-1:30p B&B 1:30-2pm ATWT 1:30-2p Less extra characters, less fluff and more matter. Fewer episodes, so more reason to tune in for every episode, every week. I'd opt for a Mon-Wed; Thu-Fri split. I think a Mon/Wed/Fri; Tue/Thu split might be too confusing to the layman audience. Y&R and B&B would get 3 days as they've had the higher ratings. As for the most realistic soaps, I'd say B&B and Y&R. Riche era GH in the 90s (minus the Cassedines) was a good realist period. I like a balance, some realistic and some over the top soaps. Just not DAYS and PASSIONS over the top.
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Yikes! I've been waiting for years to see Phillip Chancellor's death on Y&R as well as Victor Lord's death on OLTL. One day they might surface, if such video exists anymore. I always found it strange that it's so hard to locate newscasts and soaps from that era but primetime like Mary Tyler Moore or Sanford & Son (and movies) were so well preserved.
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Lucci was frequently over dramatic but I liked her and she was the show. (I do think however AMC could somewhat have a leg to stand on without Lucci but B&B without Flannery however, definitely not!) Sometimes Erika Slezak as Niki/other alters was OTT. I enjoyed the Niki returning plot in the 80s, and the '95 Victor lord death plot. Niki Smith in 2002 became too cartoonish. When she first returned in 2001 there were some good moments where she haunted Viki, leading up to the Jessica/Natalie baby switch plot. Once the writers had Niki framing Nat to think she had split personality and pushed Ben out of the window, things went off the rails. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16Y5T6cJKpk&t=444s
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I also agree with the idea that Jason wouldn't have lasted so long. Im not against the Jason Q to Jason M transition but yes Sonny/Jason/Carly should not have eaten the eaten show. I'm for an occasional Jason/Carly pairing. I wonder why Burton supposedly fought that. I understand an actor not just wanting to be a slave to the writers and do whatever he's told but.... I don't like it when an actor's vision comes at the detriment of the show. Most of the time its best that actors and writers stay in their lanes.
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In watching old clips, I realized yesterday was 25 years since Jason's accident. It was a great storyline, though it was rough seeing how obnoxious Jason was in the immediate aftermath due to the brain damage. That one moment (in part) established the next quarter century of show focus. I wonder how different GH would be had Jason Morgan remained Jason Quartermaine.
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Ironic. Even in that decade long stretch of being divorced, they were constantly wrestling with being together. Even after that 98 reunion they kept playing around until 02. I agree. Nick and Sharon are a perfect embodiment of on again off again becoming stale. Writers need to find a plot device other than romantic tension for longterm couples. (I'M LOOKING AT YOU B&B!) Victor & Nikki have got to stop! They're too old now to still be carrying on with their marital issues. Wrong thread but, the only soap couple I can think of where the constant back-and-forth works for me was Alan and Monica on General Hospital. They always came back to each other, except once when they briefly divorced.
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