Vee

Van Etten is funny and talented, and not just in daytime. But Frank runs that show now, no one else. Based on his outside resume I'd be fine with seeing what Van Etten can do without Valentini in control.

Stamos was ready and willing to do the GH anniversary in 2013, but said he wanted a bit of substantive material for Blackie. They tried to offer him a walk-on gag Ron had come up with for him and Demi Moore, then trashed him with the soap bloggers for speaking up. He was talking about this seven years ago.

4 hours ago, DRW50 said:

The only thing I have even bothered with recently on ABC is The Conners, and I've pretty much fallen out of that as well.

We can both catch up!

Not going to work. Lauer is still being dragged to hell and back nationwide almost 24 hours later. But you're right that there's an attempt:

16 minutes ago, Wendy said:

I think only the first two seasons of The Real World were sort of real, in terms of situations/human reactions. After that? It was just exaggerate EVERYTHING and make the housemates act as disgusting as possible.

 

But the very first cast will always have a place in my cold heart.  Helps that I was about their age when that first season went down...

I watched the first 4-6, some of 7-9. Watched SF live. I remember Pedro.

I knew this special would double down on rationalizing killing them on behalf of the networks, which is ironic as the last decade has proven good soap in any timeslot, outlet or genre is still relevant - and certainly programming during this pandemic.

Just now, Faulkner said:

Still boggles my mind how brave it was to give that HIV story to Robin.

I remember being floored watching live as a kid when Robin was given her results; she was only a few years older than me.

3 minutes ago, AbcNbc247 said:

Agreed

 

You need wayyy more than two hours to tell the story of soaps.

Should be a Netflix doc series. Followed by them picking up the ABC licenses.

The irony is, all I knew Y&R for as a kid was Victor, Shemar Moore, Victoria Rowell (bc she was also on Diagnosis Murder) and the theme. I'd wager many of the general public knew about the same, but possibly with Shemar being #1 with a bullet. I knew he came to mind for me before anything other than the music. There was a point when it felt as an outsider at least like he was promoted as heavily as any major star if not moreso by the show and network. So it's beyond me that, clearly knowing what they had and being willing to use it, they still didn't have him fùck any of those white stars. AFAIK the closest any of them came was Phyllis, years later.

9 minutes ago, Darn said:

 

Thanks for letting us know, Vee. 

 

Burn, you swine. 

I'll watch it if/when Hulu puts it up. Cut the cord awhile ago.

Everyone is. DZ is one of the most talented men the show's hired in the last 25 years. Frank and Ron and co. gave him dung. Given what we're all facing now I can hardly blame him for opting for steady future work.

33 minutes ago, robbwolff said:

 

I'm not sure if the complete bible is online, but Casiello's blog had a four-part series examining Marland's bible. It starts here:

 

http://casiello.blogspot.com/2009/01/great-marlands-ghost-part-one.html

Thanks!

@DRW50

Yes, the OP is real and yes, he's being crucified.

I think she loved Cameron but was deeply bored with it. IIRC the short-lived pairing with David, something she and VI had wanted for years, was a condition of hers for her final return.

They also failed to utilize it. I'm sure Budig would've played it, as she was desperate to escape the Ryan story.

Wow. That is a line-up. Together Andrea and Fiona do very little press.

I still need to watch the last one. Hoo boy, Tonja Walker.

Watching what appears to be Lisa Brown’s debut episode from ‘85 has been a real gift. I’m reminded me of what I discovered when I first did a binge of several months’ worth of episodes from late 85-early 86 a few years back - like Gottlieb and Malone at OLTL in ‘91, Marland moved very fast. Emma came on when, in September of ‘85? Holden in October, Iva in early November. Meg in December or January to play spoiler for Dusty. And by February sweeps they were all about the Snyders, that farm family and Holden ushering in Lily’s sexual awakening in a storm. (Gottlieb and Malone moved even faster at OLTL - Cain Rogan was partly inherited and reinvented from the previous team, but they had Luna in September, Andrew Carpenter in maybe October, Blair as well, then by end of November or December Blair has already made a play for married Cord who then “dies,” and Andrew and Megan’s new relationship- while she is the happily married partner of an absent supercouple who married that same year - is already a major going concern.)

What it indicates to me is ultimately, no one knows anything. Marland’s rules are ultimately just guidelines if the writing is there. He certainly did not wait six months to see if the Snyders would work.

I remember his original bible floating around online, with a particularly brutal outlined story for Barbara and little Paul. How much of that bible actually came to fruition, and is it still around?

34 minutes ago, Khan said:

 

I really wish I had industry connections and an ability to podcast.  I'm no Dick Cavett, but I think I could do a much better job than some of those yokels.

tbh you don't need connections. Just do it with a friend and see what percolates.

I seem to recall dc doing one of many informative posts about Sears and Haidee Grainger(?). That whole period is fascinating, but most of '90s LOV's turmoil and endless reinvention is to me.

I took my first walk beyond my curb in two months through abandoned Beverly Hills over the weekend (masked, of course). Ain't touched [!@#$%^&*]! It was surreal. People are still mostly doing it right here. Other places, it varies wildly. My industry remains dead, but I'm most worried about friends struggling with their states or jobs' poor decisions elsewhere.

Meanwhile:

David Lynch does the weather now.

Also: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/how-im-living-now-david-lynch-director-1290834

Manny Ruiz and his twin the priest(?) were played by Robert LaSardo, a character actor who was hot at the time due to his recurring role as a druglord on nip/tuck. Guza was very fond of emulating primetime and film at the time in the laziest ways by literally hiring the same actors for similar roles, or shamelessly recreating others, like having his reinvented Jerry Jacks played by Roche take on the name "Mr. Craig" the same year the gritty Casino Royale came out. Manny was basically LaSardo's primetime character again. His story got ridiculous and I don't remember what became of him.

We talked about this in the LOV thread, but the way I remember it the black presence in their AMC run was substantial. Not only did they bring back the Hubbards from LOV/TC, but they also had Mario Van Peebles, Cassandra, Dre Woods, etc. all at once. Did I think those stories were genius or often even good, no, but there was evidence of a recurring commitment on their part. I'm sure where the Hubbards were concerned Agnes was also in the mix.

Yes, this thread really needs to get over its addiction to reposting skewed polls and not reading discussion about them.

Meanwhile: