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  1. EastEnders incest storyline: BBC soap accused of going 'too far' over new plot twist

    Fans expressed their shock on social media following latest episode

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    EastEnders writers have been accused of going one step too far by fans after an apparent plot twist involving incest.

    Last night's episode (7 July) of the popular BBC soap saw the shock revelation that the father of character Bernadette Taylor's unborn baby is her half brother Keanu.

    Character Karen Taylor has been attempting to discover who the father of her 15-year-old daughter's baby is since Monday's episode, but fans couldn't quite believe the storyline development.

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        The episode showed Karen learn the news after overhearing her son promise her daughter - his half sister - he would support the baby financially and keep his identity as the father a secret. 

        Fans expressed their shock on social media.

        Surely EastEnders aren't going down the incest route? It will truly be a new low. #eastenders

        You know #EastEnders is scraping the barrel when they bring out an incest baby storyline

         
         

        Maybe Keanu isn't the Dad but is going to support her- if not their incest is grim #EastEnders

         

        However, some believe the writers are pulling the wool over the viewer's eyes and that Keanu may be covering for the real father.

        Ok I don't think it's an incest baby it has to be a red herring #EastEnders

         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         

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        22 minutes ago
        KCBC
        No need to be squeamish. 
         
        Incest happens, and Soaps can be useful for stirring things up and raising consciousness so that people seek help.
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        Jeff Black
        Brookside did incest over 20 years ago.
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        NONCORRUPT
        Soaps always stink of desperation to keep people watching ..expect a story line about a burning building next though having only watched a few times [my visit to a family member hooked on them] I am sure that has been done many times and I would guess ..a plane crash? train disaster? explosion ? murders ? riots? you know the kind of thing that happens every day down your street..thinking though if you live in South East London IT PROBABLY DOES !
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        5 hours ago
        Somewhereinthenorth
        Please, please get rid of Sonia/Natalie Cassidy  the most annoying woman on planet earth. She disgusts me, she looks like her eyes are gonna burst, get Karen to beat her up. 
         
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        KCBC
        Your comment is nasty. 
         
        You need counselling. 
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        10 hours ago
        Isseym
        they simply cannot compete with netflix.
         

         

         
         
         
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        anfieldkop
        Eastenders going downhill fast? Next they will do a story about skiing then that will be a story about going downhill fast?
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        David Knowles
        why not, they done every other crappy storyline. 
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        15 hours ago
        vickibadger
        I've not watched it for years but incest has always been a regular feature of the storylines- indeed it's part of why I stopped watcing it. The partnerswapping Mitchell and Branning brothers,(doing your brothers wife is incest) Phil Mitchell having a go with his Aunty and that revolting saga where a granddaughter and grandmother share a lover ( Whitney and carol Jackson), Den and mini Den and Zoe. Vile.
         
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        swissmiss
        Eastenders has been going downhill for ages now, made worse by the introduction of Sonia and Robbie.  Add to that the incest saga.   I shall not be watching anymore. 

         

      • EastEnders reveals Derek Harkinson's secret tonight as he tells Johnny Carter everything

         

        Can Johnny make amends for letting Derek down?

         
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        EastEnders delves deeper into Derek Harkinson's past tonight (June 29) as he confides in Johnny Carter following an emotional week.

        Derek (Ian Lavender) has been distraught to learn that he's lost his job at the Minute Mart as punishment for failing to declare a criminal record when he took on the position.

        To make matters even worse, Derek was also furious to receive homophobic abuse from troublesome teen Keegan Baker when he caught him shoplifting at the local supermarket.

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        While EastEnders hasn't yet revealed the story behind Derek's criminal record, the truth comes out this evening (June 29) as he reluctantly opens up to Johnny.

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        Feeling guilty after failing to stand up to Keegan when he witnessed the nasty incident at the Minute Mart, Johnny (Ted Reilly) tries his best to make things up to Derek.

        When Johnny tracks him down by paying him a visit at home, he encourages Derek to reveal the full story behind recent events – but why exactly does he have a criminal record?

        Some fans think they've already spotted a clue to Derek's backstory, as Tuesday's episode saw him tell Johnny that he lived in fear of being arrested when he grew up as a gay man in a less accepting society.

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        Private homosexual acts between men aged over 21 weren't decriminalised until the 1967 Sexual Offences Act was passed. The age of consent for gay men wasn't lowered to 18 until 1994, before being further lowered to 16 in 2001.

         

        Others have speculated that Derek's conviction could relate to the time when he took the rap for Martin Fowler after he'd been caught growing cannabis.

         

        Just twigged that Derek's conviction in #EastEnders is due to being gay before 1967 Sexual Offences Act brought in. V. important storyline.

         
         

         

        oh my god, I think Derek's story is exactly like Lawrence's from Emmerdale 😧#EastEnders

         
         

         

        So Derek's offence on #EastEnders is clearly going to relate to the Sexual Offences act of 1967 and decriminalisation.

         
         
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      • 2 minutes ago, Soaplovers said:

         

        The late 80s when Roger/Holly came back....diane vs alexandra...diane vs blake...and it would have been interesting to see Diane' s reaction to Vanessa being married to billy...

        It would've been great to have seen fierce diva's Diana and Alex out smarting each other.

      • EastEnders: the Sean O'Connor era - what went wrong?

         

        David Brown assesses a controversial year on the BBC1 soap

         
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        EastEnders: the Sean O'Connor era - what went wrong?

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        The era of Sean O’Connor is over at EastEnders - a turbulent 12 months in charge that has divided viewers and critics alike. We’ve had a high-profile recast, the controversial deaths of two Walford icons, new signings and a back-to-basics approach to storytelling. But it’s not exactly paid dividends: the most recent consolidated figures put EastEnders a million viewers behind Coronation Street, plus the BBC1 drama came away with just one prize at this year’s British Soap Awards. So what do we make of the last year in Albert Square?

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        Well, let’s start with Michelle Fowler, whose reintroduction with a brand-new face at Christmas sounded warning bells for some. But why? Head swaps in soapland are nothing new and, in the case of Michelle, there’s a whole generation who only know her as a photo on Ian Beale’s sideboard. But it soon became apparent that Michelle wasn’t winning fans of any age over. The long-time die-hards couldn’t put Susan Tully out of their minds, while newer viewers disliked the seedy love affair with American student Preston. Both groups found Jenna Russell’s performance slightly mannered and grating - though she has, admittedly, got better as the months have gone on. But it was a definite gamble to bring back a well-loved character with an icky plotline that seemed deliberately crafted to alienate fans.

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        Then there was the case of Denise, who found herself on the breadline and in need of help at a food bank. EastEnders has, of course, put its characters into poverty before, Arthur Fowler having famously stolen the Walford residents’ Christmas club savings back in 1986, for instance. But, on that occasion, the storyline was character led – Arthur being desperate to give his daughter Michelle a wedding day to remember. In the case of Denise, the social issue seemed grafted onto the character. Indeed, you felt as though the same plot could have been given to, say, Martin, Donna or Stacey and the effect would have been the same.

        The other trouble being that if you unpick anyone’s finances, then the whole show starts to fall apart: how does Martin provide for his family on the takings from the fruit-and-veg stall? How come everyone can afford to drink in the Vic every night? Why do the market workers buy tea from the café when they could all pop home to boil a kettle? The thing is, we’re prepared to suspend disbelief on all that stuff, at least until the show boss decides to forensically examine a bank balance to the extent that we feel duty bound to point out plot holes.

        However, for me, the greatest error of judgement was in the recent treatment of the Carters. Take Lee, whose exit did - at first - seem like an admirable 21st-century retelling of the aforementioned Arthur Fowler plotline, right down to the raiding of a collection box. Moving scenes shown over Christmas even saw a desperate Lee driven to the brink of suicide. You really felt for Lee because his plight grew out of who he was as a person. It was all about Lee rather than a news headline.

        But then came the moment when Lee lashed out and hit wife Whitney. The result? A story about one man being priced out of society suddenly became a tale of domestic violence. OK, so it tapped into Lee’s history with anger management, but it also turned him into the enemy. Couple that with Mick’s lack of sympathy for his son (which was very out of character) and Lee’s departure ended up feeling rushed, botched and almost like a betrayal of what had previously been set up.

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        But worse was to come. With Lee gone and Linda temporarily off the scene (actress Kellie Bight having taken maternity leave), the normally loyal and steadfast Mick found himself in the arms of Whitney. Now, OK, so affairs are rife in soapland. Everywhere you look there are love cheats and philanderers. But the beauty of Mick was the decision on the part of the writers – up to this point at least – to keep him monogamous. And they’d managed to do so for three whole years. So to cast the Mick and Linda partnership to one side did feel, I have to say, shortsighted and reckless. Once Mick strays, he is tarnished. And that can’t be undone.

        Of the other criticisms levelled at O’Connor, I’m less narked than others. Did he turn EastEnders into Waterloo Road thanks to his focus on Walford High? Not really. To keep the next generation of viewers interested, you have to include subject matter of relevance to them. And the topics of sexting, consent and cyber bullying are ripe for exploration. Only in recent weeks have things started to drift. Louise has now been hoodwinked too many times by Madison and Alexandra. She’s a clever girl, so why is she listening to a word they say, especially when she’s seen how they ruined Bex’s life?

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        And then there’s the death of the Mitchell sisters – was O’Connor wrong to kill them off? Personally, I felt like Ronnie and Roxy had run their course and – by the time they were dispatched – were operating in a different show to everyone around them, so outré and bizarre had they become. So were they to die, then it had to be in as crazy a way as possible. The counter argument is that writers should rest heritage characters rather than murder them, so that the option is there to re-introduce them (hopefully refreshed and rejuvenated) at a later date. What was noticeably odd, though, was the way Roxy became an afterthought in conversations following her untimely demise. At times, you could have been forgiven for thinking that only Ronnie had met her maker.

        Finally, there’s a need to look at the tone of the show in the last 12 months. ‘Less melodrama, more slow-burn’ appears to have been the philosophy. And there were some excesses that needed reining in: the pantomime villainy of Gavin Sullivan, for instance, at the end of Dominic Treadwell-Collins’s tenure being too daft for words. But in its place, we got endless on-screen discussions of bin collections, plus plenty of talk in interviews about taking EastEnders back to the days of Julia Smith and Tony Holland. Community spirit and people dusting themselves down in the face of adversity. The trouble is that TV has moved on since 1985 and those early mid-Eighties episodes now seem rather theatrical and dated. I also have a feeling that viewers don’t particularly want to see their own day-to-day anxieties reflected back at them in their soaps, they’d prefer to watch heightened drama in a familiar setting. So less I, Daniel Blake starring Denise Fox. More Broadchurch starring Ian Beale.

        Of course, we may now never get to know what O’Connor’s masterplan was for EastEnders. It seemed as though we were gearing up for a mass protest against Max and the Chairman’s scheme to raze the Square to the ground. Perhaps there would have been characters trapped under rubble? Shock deaths to leave fans reeling in the months ahead? But, in this fast-moving media age where there are so many other options for viewers, Sean O’Connor took too long setting out his stall. It was all about the planning and not enough about the execution. An understandable tactic when a show is in need of overhauling, but O’Connor inherited a relatively healthy EastEnders. Why be so radical when the show appeared to be on good form when he took over?

        I’m sure everyone will be debating all this over the next few days, just as I’m sure that the good ship EastEnders can be steered back on course again. Under the temporary control of John Yorke (he of ‘Who Shot Phil?’ fame and a magnificent period running The Archers), I feel that the duff-duffs will be back to their best by Christmas. Hopefully, this is just one of those summer cliffhangers that everyone will have forgotten about by the autumn.

         

      • 2 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

         

        I felt sorry for the actress who played Cheryl because she said in one of those "GH memories" interviews SPW did for their 30th anniversary how unhappy she had been with the writing for the character in her later years. I think she was also another who felt let down with the way Gloria Monty wrote her out. It's too bad they never did more with Cheryl as she could have driven a lot of story, especially with her contrasts to Tiffany. I know some fans said that the Bobbie/Tiffany custody battle over Lucas carried the show in the early '90s. 

        I agree DRW50. The whole baby Lucas saga could've played out for years. Cheryl was one my favorites. She deserved a lot better than being killed off so Bobbie & Tony could end up with baby Lucas. GH wasn't prefect but i liked the late 80's early 90's era. Once GM came back she gutted the show. Removing everything & everyone she didn't have a hand in creating. Thank god Wendy Riche repaired GH.

      • 12 hours ago, DRW50 said:

         

        Around 1988 or 1989, they needed a love interest for Robert, as Anna was popular with Duke. Katherine came in as, I think, Robin's piano teacher. She and Robert hated each other - you know how that goes. They were a popular couple for several years. I believe that in late 1990 Gloria Monty returned and the actress got wind quickly that Monty had no interest in the pairing or her character, so she left. 

        I started watching GH in 1988. I really liked Robert with Cheryl and later on Katherine. In the beginning i found Katie Lady bland. But Katherine grew on me. I hated that they made Cheryl obsessed with Robert. The only thing i liked about GM's second run was Cheryl giving up her obsession with Robert. The whole obsession thing was out of character for Cheryl .Didn't like seeing a strong career women like Cheryl in a deluded dream world. Katherine & Robert's break up scenes around Thanksgiving of 1990. Were very well written and very adult. 

      • Ryan Phillippe: “I’m Proud” To Have Played Daytime TV’s First Gay Teenager

        "It was before 'Will & Grace,' before Ellen came out, it's before any of that stuff."
         
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        It was 25 years ago that Ryan Phillippe played one of the first openly gay teenagers on television on the daytime soap One Life to Live.

         

        Phillippe played Billy Douglas, a high school student who comes out as gay, on the series from 1992-1993. It was Phillippe’s first professional acting gig, and a quarter of a century later the actor looks back proudly at his place in gay history.

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        “There had never been a gay teenager portrayed on television at that point. It was before Will & Grace, before Ellen came out, it’s before any of that stuff,” Phillippe recently told Too Fab while he was doing press for his new movie Wish Upon.

        “I remember the fan mail that my mother and I would get from gay teenagers or from parents of gay teenagers who found a way in to relate to or talk to their child through this show,” he explained.

         

        Even though he was only 17 at the time he does remember “understanding and appreciating that back then even when I was only a teenager myself.”

        Back in 1992 Phillippe told Entertainment Weekly that when he auditioned he had no idea that Billy was gay:

        “They told me, and I said ‘Oh! Okay!’ but a shock went through my system. I thought, ‘What is my family going to think? What about my friends?’ But I realized that for Billy, the torment is a hundred times that.”

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        Before filming began for Billy’s debut on the show executive producer Linda Gottlieb brought in psychiatrist Richard Isay to talk with Phillippe about portraying a gay teenager.

        “When he told us that three times as many gay teenagers kill themselves as do straight teens, I realized that maybe this role is where I’m supposed to be,” he said. “Maybe some kids will see that there are ways to deal with this positively.”

        Billy was written out of the show in 1993 when Phillippe decided to leave, but he still cherishes the role:

        “I’m proud to have done it, I’m proud that that’s something I can say was a part of my career.”
         

         
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      • WALFORD WOES 

        EastEnders ratings crisis as viewers fall to just 4.5m viewers as shock rape storyline divides fans

        The BBC One soap's fans are bitterly divided over the storyline that has seen Louise Mitchell believe she has been raped

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        EASTENDERS is facing a ratings crisis as viewers fell to an average just 4.5m for last night’s episode.

        The BBC One soap fell behind Emmerdale to become the least watched of the big three as Coronation Street soared to six million while fans of Walford were left divided over the bullying storyline that has seen Louise Mitchell believe she has been raped.

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        EastEnders' Keegan Baker is arrested for raping Louise Mitchell

        While actress Tilly Keeper's performance was widely praised by viewers, the harrowing storyline saw the police question Louise in a way that fans didn't like.

        The episode - which shot to the top of the BBC's iPlayer service - saw Louise break down over bullies Keegan,  Madison and Aelxandra's vicious lies about Louise having sex with Keegan at a party.

        Schoolgirl Louise was devastated as she believed she had been raped with her being spiked and therefore too drunk to consent to anything.

        Police doubting Louise, implying she's lying, won't help real life teen rape victims step forward. There shouldn't be judgement! #Eastenders

         
         

         

        if someone is drunk then it's rape, why are the detectives questioning whether it is or isn't?? #EastEnders

         
         

         

        Big statement on Eastenders tonight. Rape is absolutely nothing to joke about.

         
         

         

        Only the BBC would turn a rape storyline into a "boys will be boys"/"boys are mean to girls they fancy" plot. Give me strength. #EastEnders

         
         

         

        Why did it take a week to find out the rape thing was a lie? And why didn't Louise just tell Bex that she hasn't caught anything #EastEnders

         
         

         

         
         

         

        This Keegan / Louise rape storyline is going to be so important if it's done right #EastEnders

         
         

         

        But after tearfully breaking down to stepmum Sharon, Louise spoke to the police who questioned her in a way that left fans raging.

        "It doesn't matter if she was drunk that's still rape," wrote one viewer. "A police officer wouldn't say that

         
         
         
         
         
      • 2 hours ago, Nothin'ButAttitude said:

         

        :lol:

         

        I'm find out more and more each day on this board that so many people hated the Shayne clan with a deadly passion. I didn't mind them (as I love Reva), but even I have to admit from the time I started watching (the early 90s) to the end of the show that upon the time KZ returned to the show that her clan ate up the show. 

        Kurt. Roxie, Kyle, Maeve, Jessie, Calla,  Miss Sally and Johnny were all duds that ate up airtime. GL had been badly gutted of their best characters. 

      • 18 minutes ago, denzo30 said:

        I meant to mention that originally.  Lemay wrote the character Evan into the show with the intent of him being Janice's son.  Maybe the storyline was overkill but it was intended to bring in later stories and possibly some of them scrapped since he was gone just a month later.  

         

         

        You are correct.  The clashed big time over storylines and Lemay was not fired, he quit

        I didn't know this. 

      • 32 minutes ago, denzo30 said:

        Adrnyc, I understand how you would feel as a new viewer to the show now or at that time but, AW ratings increased during this short stint and probably helped the show continue the more years it did till it finally died.  Also, it were the case, that Harding Lemay was yawn to the show then NBC or P and G would have never considered bringing back the writer.  They were so desperate and I think close to cancellation at this time as well.  Harding Lemay kept the show at #1 and 2 for 8 years.  AW was also a show about characters and not sci fi or the unbelievable .  They did experience with some real stupid stuff in the middle 80's and of course again the late 90's because they had to compete with other soaps doing the same junk.  If you knew the shows history and the characters, then you would think differently.  Most of the subscribers to this thread are all old time viewers who like to see and talk about back in the day when it was a great soap.  

        I liked that history was being mentioned.With the high turnover this was something AW seldom did. I liked a teenaged Matthew finding out the epic events that lead to his birth. I think Janice was mentioned so much because they were foreshadowing Evan being Janice's son. I did find Harding Lemay's second boring. But to be fair he was only there such a short time. I would've preferred they kept Lemay and partnered him with Swajeski.

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