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Ava hired him when he needed money. He lied about the whole job with Gwen to Sarah. It was stupid, so easy to forget.

I could see Marlena getting irritated if Talia was gloating or dreaming of some sort of future with Shawn, but it was clear she felt awful, knew she made a mistake, and was not going to put herself in that position again. So Marlena was basically just making Talia feel worse than she already did. Marlena was more upset with Talia than Belle was which is just so strange. The last few episodes were weird with Marlena starting with gossiping about Vivian with Kate. Are Kate/Marlena THAT close? And does Marlena even care about Vivian?

I agree it was pretty easy to connect the dots between Talia's story and Belle's retelling of Shawn's story. Marlena's not stupid. Although, I rarely say anything bad about Marlena, I really didn't like her confrontation with Talia. I don't have an extensive knowledge about therapy or HIPPA, but couldn't Marlena have suggested a new therapist and said the whole situation was a conflict for her and leave it at that? Instead, she was weirdly judgey and berating Talia (a troubled girl in her 20's) and it felt way more unprofessional than Marlena's usual antics. Talia made a big mistake, but I don't think she needs to be harshly judged by her own therapist. It was very out of character for Marlena because she is usually much more understanding.

I don't care about being spoiled, but I never seek them out or I forget someone got fired because the news broke half a year before.

I am the biggest sucker for 90's GH couples so this might be hypocritical of me, but after 26 years I think the Lois character has just moved on from Ned and Eddie Maine. Lois always struck me as extremely levelheaded and someone who could realize it wouldn't work and build to bigger and better things. I wish she was staying long term, but I don't think I would want today's Lois to regress back to being with Ned and I really did love Ned/Lois BITD.

I am literally the worst person to ask about Days spoilers because I never read them but

Yeah, Eric definitely lived above the Pub so now maybe Talia can get her own room and bed! Marlena/John's penthouse has at least 4 bedrooms because Brady, Kristen and Rachel were all living there at one point in separate bedrooms.

The Leo/Dmitri situation escalated so quickly. It was played as wacky hijinks for weeks and now it's jumped to actual murder. There wasn't a lot of progression from 20 questions with Rachel and Leo dressing up as Gwen to multiple acts of gun violence. Marlena/Kate are still randomly in this episode gossiping at the Pub. Marlena actually called Sloan's apartment 'spacious', so clearly she's been living with one too many of houseguests for too long. I don't have much to say about the rest of the episode. Alex is being weird and Sonny is a great brother.

I am day behind but, nunununuMolly seems okay. And by okay I obviously mean looks a bit like Haley and not entering menopause. I'll be honest, I love the silliness of 90s Eddie Maine as much as anyone. I didn't get him wowing fans in the 90's and I certainly don't get it 30 years later. I think WK is delightful and very talented-I have always had a hard time buying him as a rocker that appeals to the masses. But, go wild Gh, I'd rather watch Eddie being a hit with the young crowd than Joss complaining about the lack of sex with Dex. I definitely don't think people were there to see stick in the mud Curtis though. I am enjoying the climax of the Sasha story. Mostly because I hate Gladys, but also because this whole wacky Sasha/Cody/Sam/Dante plan feels like a 90's soap plot with a group of friends/lovers proving the impossible in the most complicated way imagined. Instead of just researching Glady's spending history there was fake breakdowns, fake accents, fake kidnappings, asylum breakouts, and going on the run. It's enough to be entertaining to me.

I do remember Angel changing from white clothing to red. The show at the time felt very boring but the stories were very complicated as well. I honestly probably thought Brenda was going to pop right back up because I was young and naive then and didn't understand what a flakey lady Vanessa was at the time. Anyhow, I agree this is when Jax started stagnating. I think the show has a history of bringing Jax back and not really knowing what to do with him so they just throw him at the current Sonny pairing. The show knew that was a good default place for Jax.

Angel was such a strange character. I honestly don't remember any of this about her lol. I just remember Jax talking a lot about all this nonsense he did in Europe while he was away and I was like no wonder you didn't find Brenda. I know the show was limited in how they could explain Jax's return, but I remember tuning in wondering what Jax was going to say and it amounted to "Brenda's dead, but I found Kristina instead." and I think I tuned right back out. I think if I re-read the story a lot would come back to me. I just remember being disappointed with the return and thinking Jax really didn't belong in that story at all.

I think Jax's big thing when Titans flopped was introducing OGKristina as well which was very convoluted. It was a strange entrance because he left to find Brenda and ended up with Alexis's unknown sister. Cool. Makes sense. I liked Chloe too. Tava Smiley really had a lovely, lighthearted presence. I think both Chloe and Hannah were just introduced too soon to be viable love interests for Jax and Sonny. You would swear it was Guza, but he was for the pairing. I'd probably say the same for any Sarah Brown character post-Carly. Ava was pretty popular when she was first introduced a million years and personalities ago though.

Why did Paulina take a drink of Li's used martini? Gross. I don't think it's legal to just fire Trask because she doesn't like her. Paulina didn't even try to make a work related excuse. Great mayoring! Weird that Marlena and Kate just popped up in a couple of scenes this episode. It was strange they were only on for a few minutes. This Edmund stuff is crazy. He was just a nice, eccentric man. I thought Susan was still married to that guy in Memphis as well.

I think the reality that Jax was a long term foe to Sonny speaks to the fact that Guza liked him. Jax wasn't crazy or evil like most of Sonny's mobster enemies of the week/month/year. Even if he lost to Sonny, Jax was more or less the voice of reason for the audience in regard to Sonny/Jason's lifestyle. As you said there was clear investment in Jax/Ingo and he had pairings that were heavily pushed like Chloe and Sam. Both of those pairings flopped big time. The Carly/Jax pairing was his most popular non-Brenda pairing. I am not saying Guza didn't lose interest or didn't have Jax do the same things over and over, but there was a clear interest and investment with Jax for a while. I believe Guza was for Alexis/Jax and Riche was against it because Alexis was 'too old'.

Phillip's child with Mimi is Pocket and was given up for adoption years ago. He's never mentioned and the only kid Mimi is raising currently is her daughter with Rex. It would be interesting if Tyler/Pocket came back though.

I don't disagree. Nina is a 50 plus year old woman though and being impulsive and reactionary isn't a cute character trait as an adult woman. She's supposed to be a successful business owner. Outside of the decision to marry Sonny, she doesn't seem to give much thought to anything. Even the simplest conversations. If the show explained her lack of skill with decision making and social skills was a side effect of being in a coma for half her life it would be one thing. I just don't think that's the excuse. Nina makes Carly look calm, cool, and collected.

Wayne's Roman was great. I loved watching early Roman/Marlena clips when they were more readily available on youtube. By the time Roman returned in the 90's John was making Roman a bit redundant. So I am glad I guess I don't have to see Wayne relegated to serving chowder, but it's sad to see what the character has become.

I agree. It's really awful parenting on Valentin's part. Why not confront Charlotte and at least try to understand what happened and why instead of dancing around all of this? Bring Anna and Dante in on it and figure out how to protect her legally. It's not like Dante really cares about the law when someone close to him is involved and he and Sam should be aware if Charlotte stays/lives with them part time. If she's starting house fires and trashing hotel rooms she probably shouldn't be around other children and getting help immediately. Pretty much every decision Nina makes is idiotic, so I don't expect anything more of her.

@VeeI actually really liked early Liz/Ric until things got weird with Carly. I thought they had good chemistry. Do they belong in this thread? Am I their only fan?😂 It really makes me sad when I see clips of WN or even DH's Roman. I can't believe how irrelevant such a good character has become. I have never heard anyone praise JT's portrayal of Roman ever.

If Sasha won't do it I'd be happy to!

I just don't think the show ever found any solid footing for Ric. Whether it was too many cooks in the kitchen backstage with Guza, JFP, Frons, Pratt, Wolf, etc or if Ric just outlived his usefulness on the show. Once you fake rape a pregnant woman and lock her in a secret room it's really hard to be a viable male romantic lead. That story with Marianna or whatever was probably one of the worst in modern GH history and that's saying a lot lol. As far as Guza/Jax, I actually think Guza loved the character of Jax and Jax/Brenda his first run because he created him/them. I would say he preferred them to Sonny/Brenda in the 90's. Guza went out of his way to present Jax as the best option for Brenda. Jax/Brenda got some very good writing all the way up to Brenda's exit. I think Guza was over Ingo when he left for Titans and then really lost interest in him when Brenda returned and he thought of Jason/Brenda. Then KeMo/Sam/Jax bombed and Jax was relegated to the only story that worked-a romantic foil for Sonny. The show really turned into Jason/Sonny/Carly after 2003 and I just don't think Jax had the same place on the canvas or was allowed a consistent POV outside of hating Sonny, but I do think Guza did favor Jax a lot once. Sorry lol I do think RH is a talented guy and I do know he has fans so he doesn't fit this thread. I just didn't like the character or his stories.

Very true about Ric/Skye. They did have prominence, but there was a clear push and pull between JFP and the writing for both characters. They would never win against the big four but were also shoehorned into primary families to be relevant, although they never exactly fit on canvas they were given lots of story. I'll be honest and say I don't really get the Ric Hearst love either. I thought Ric was an absolute awful character that I had to deal with far too long. I did like him when he was first introduced and they seem to be hinting he was related to Lily and the early part of his pairing with Liz. I just think Ric is a character that should have caused some havoc in Sonny's world and left. I am not sure what stopped the Ric/Skye pairing, but I do think at some point JFP lost any power over Guza and that's when both characters faded away. Like I said earlier, I wouldn't be opposed to a Skye visit and her bringing Lila Rae to town today. I loved me some Jax/Brenda. Even as a Sonny/Brenda diehard I adored the J&B pairing. I always felt 2002 ruined them for me. Between Jax dumping Skye and then him pressuring Brenda to marry him right away then leaving her at the actual altar it was just an awful look for Jax. I actually think Jax came out the biggest loser in the entire return.

You make some valid points here. I would argue that Skye was made to be a loser a lot though. Even in the end she lost all of Alcazar's money and needed Jax's help to get it back. She was a drunk and a screw up, complacent in her baby daddy's murder and un-Q'ed in the end and we still don't know who her father is lol. I always considered Skye as a character who couldn't get out of her own way and couldn't find happiness across all the ABC soaps she was on. Anyway, I am sure not all RC/Skye stans like her because of Brenda, but I think there was a lot of goodwill from the audience because she was done wrong by Jax/Brenda (mostly Jax) and RC did well with some strong material. Plus, I think Skye was an easy character to root for because if you didn't like Brenda in 2002 and watched GH there wasn't a lot for you to like lol.

Exactly. I think JPL is pulling off what he's going for with the role as I think this characterization is intentional. He's just not playing Phillip. It seems like JPL is going really hard for mentally unstable and remorse, but that's all the beats he's playing. I honestly don't think JPL really gets Phillip at all. In his first run it felt like he was playing a variation of Rex instead of Phillip IMO. It honestly might be in the writing and direction as well because I don't think JPL is incapable. He's just off doing his own thing.

Idk, I feel like I don't see any of the old Phillip shining through. To me he is acting like he is not ready to be out in the real world at all let alone make a play for Chloe. I thought JPL's Phillip was pretty much universally reviled so I am surprised anyone likes it.