I don't think Neil can ever be fun with anyone. I think the character has been pointless for a long time and only ever seems relevant when Drucilla is around.

I don't believe the Abbotts have been any kind of a family in a long time, with or without John. Y&R hasn't written about families or family dynamics in years, aside from the Fishers, who are more of a crime family. I didn't have a problem with John being killed off so much as I did with the way they killed him off. There was little emotional impact, more of the story was about Gloria, and the Gloria/Jack rivalry, one which, as we can already see, did not have a long shelf life.

Not a spoiler, but was that Cybil Shephard on Monday's US show playing the psychiatrist? There was an uncanny similarity there.

So, we actually agree about the Winters. They are just rotting on the vine.

What would you do? Let's assume you CAN'T drop Neil and Lily and you could possibly even have Olivia back on contract, if you wanted (you can recast any of them too, if you want). What would you do to fix them?

They need a Lily who can bring some flavor to the Winters. They can keep Olivia & the rest of them. But they have to recast Lily. For The Winters to be good again. Notice only time people are interested in the Winters is when Malcolm & Dru is around. Everybody else they don't care about. CKLily is so bland & she doesn't help out the rest of her bland family.

Edited May 31, 200916 yr by MoTheGreat

Not a spoiler, but was that Cybil Shephard on Monday's US show playing the psychiatrist? There was an uncanny similarity there.

Lisa Waltz played Sharon's psychiatrist, Dr. Farr, if that who you're referring to.

The show could work around TC's schedule. Neil/Nina could be a very fun couple but there's an embargo on Neil dating white women.

John & Cassie's death were huge mistakes. Not as catastrophic as Maureen's death on GL but mistakes nonetheless. If Lyndey Fonseca had stayed as Colleen (and I'm glad for her sake she moved on), the loss of Cassie would be tolerable. LF's Colleen was pure ingenue goodness. CK Lily has been ruined by making her the "new" Colleen. She was much better as the pretty but jealous friend of the ingenue princess. Lily with Kevin was incredible soap. Lily so desperate for Daniel she ran away with him was incredible soap. But Lily as the "princess" of GC with all the men in love with her is ridiculous. Lily's meant to be a good girl with a huge streak of jealousy and insecurity. Of course, that's who Chloe is now written, and that's also ridiculous. Chloe should have been a true psycho-gold-digger. Now she's a long-suffering wife. Blech.

I don't agree. CK was ruined when Jack Smith decided to make her a lead actress. By the time she left the show, the character and Khalil had become insufferable. Then she returned in the midst of controversy. I don't know what happened because when CK first started on the show she was better.

I do agree about the "Princess of GC," which needs to stop.

I don't think Chloe is a suffering wife, and that's in part of Hendrickson's superb acting.

Even if the show would work around TC schedule, what would be the point? They'd just be another Michael/Lauren.

I think they should take a risk and just write Neil out. Have him say he saw someone who looked like Dru and he has to go see if that's really her. Then they could bring Olivia back on a more regular basis, if TLW is able, and bring in an older Nate. I think Neil is an albatross at the moment and needs a rest. I also don't think they should be averse to recasting Malcolm. Shemar Moore was very charismatic but I think they could find other actors who might be as good, if not even better. They never explored Lily's relationship with her father and Malcolm should really shake up Lily's life and her worldview.

Edited May 31, 200916 yr by CarlD2

Lisa Waltz played Sharon's psychiatrist, Dr. Farr, if that who you're referring to.

No, no. There's another psychiatrist on Monday's US show.

Why do so many posters want KSJ/Neil out of the show? Several people suggest that he should be written out, killed off, etc. I like Neil because he is not a doctor or a cop and I would love to see him get involved with Phyllis. If VR ever comes back, it would be fun for Dru to find Neil with Phyllis

Sometimes I believe that Brad Bell is secretly helping MAB with Y&R. Jabot has become just like Forrester Creations, where every few weeks someone new is in charge of the company, all these triangles with two women and a guy, Jeffrey and Gloria remind me of Clarke and Sally (in a way), Sharon is Brooke and now there is a rumor about

B&B's Deacon coming to GC?

Why would the very classy number one soap

borrow characters and storylines from the crazy-sister show? Can you imagine characters from Melrose Place joining Six Feet Under?

Do Victor and Nikki remember that they have a grandson? They live in different worlds. Same with Phyllis and her son. I hate this group thing on soaps.

OLTL's Rex Balsom has many similarities with early Paul Williams. Bad-boy-turned-good-guy, P.I. etc.

So Sharon's craziness was just a device for WTD storyline?

Whenever I see Mary Jane, I feel that TPRB have brought her in order to "scare" Michelle Stafford. I really don't want my supersexy Linda Tabbak from Prison Break go insane. With Adam being that evil, there is no room for a female psycho, considering that Ashley, Sharon, Phyllis, Kevin among others are not very stable either...

Just read the rumor about

Heather dying. POINTLESS. Just like Bryce Montgomery and Jennifer Munson's deaths on HS's ATWT. Please no more weddings ans funerals for a while.

. CK Lily has been ruined by making her the "new" Colleen. She was much better as the pretty but jealous friend of the ingenue princess. Lily with Kevin was incredible soap. Lily so desperate for Daniel she ran away with him was incredible soap. But Lily as the "princess" of GC with all the men in love with her is ridiculous. Lily's meant to be a good girl with a huge streak of jealousy and insecurity.

I never brought Dru daughter should be jealous of anybody. She should be more of a go getter. All that I want what Colleen have should be above Dru daughter. But then again CKLily never play as she Dru daughter more of an adopted daughter from California. I believe a go getter Dru daughter could pull in all these guys & more. Dru & Malcolm are go getters just don't understand how they produce CKLily.

Why do so many posters want KSJ/Neil out of the show? Several people suggest that he should be written out, killed off, etc.

I've never been crazy about Neil. I think KSJ is a mediocre actor most of the time, and I think Neil has always been a self-righteous bore. He does what he wants, all while he used to judge Drucilla constantly. I thought after VR left they could have revitalized Neil but instead they put him in the tacky story with Tyra which put a big red line under all of Neil's worst character traits.

Is Adam trying to make Ashley lose her baby because he doesn't want Victor to ruin the life of another one of his children's? Look what happened to Adam when he got into Victor's orbit. Maybe in some sick twisted way Adam believes that Ashley/Victor's baby would be better off dead than having to grow up with Victor as a father.

That motivation (misguided concern for the fetus) doesn't make sense for Adam. He has no sympathy for his current siblings. He wants Baby Vashley dead for the following reasons:

• wants Victor to suffer the loss of another child
• wants Jack to suffer the loss of a nephew/niece
• wants to get rid of the competition/Victor's heirs
• gets off on hurting others
• has embraced nihilism

Edited May 31, 200916 yr by cara mia

I think it does make sense. Yeah he might not have respect for Nick/Victoria, but maybe he's taking a liking to Ashley (sees the good in her like his mother), and knows that she will never leave Victor, so he doesn't want to see baby grow up with Victor as a father (as examples of Nick/Vicky). Whatever his motivation is better be downright twisted and good!

The Jack one makes sense too.

I don't know. Kristoff St. John and Doug Davidson are two of the most underrated actors on Y&R. They always deliver when given the material. I think it's about time they move them up to Lead status. I'd love to see KSJ take home the LEAD Emmy one day. That way he would have won them all.

KSJ is a fine looking man, but how is he a lead? He has never carried a story. Without a real leading lady like VR to carry him, he's adrift. Bryton has more natural ability to carry a story than KSJ does. KSJ also lacks Shemar Moore's natural charm to carry him through uninspired stories. KSJ's role on this or any soap should be "trophy husband".

I think it does make sense. Yeah he might not have respect for Nick/Victoria, but maybe he's taking a liking to Ashley (sees the good in her like his mother), and knows that she will never leave Victor, so he doesn't want to see baby grow up with Victor as a father (as examples of Nick/Vicky). Whatever his motivation is better be downright twisted and good!

There's nothing in the text to show that Adam gives a damn about Abby. To the counter, we've seen him playing mindgames with her, trying to make her jealous of the new baby.

Edited May 31, 200916 yr by cara mia