Everyone means every single person literally and that's clearly not the case.

Furthermore that's just this community. Again my main point is just because a majority happens to agree on a single point that doesn't make it the absolute truth.

The same argument coudl apply to Eric Braeden and all the rest of the vets. The majority may happen to think he's Gods gift to acting but that doesn't make it concrete hard stone fact. And I've seen several members say that so and so (who is generally considered the "best" or "one of the best") as bland, etc...etc.

Anyways I agree that this argument is pointless. However it seems like certain people can't help themselves when it comes to these 2 actresses in particular. It's either "oh I wish so and so was fired" or they come up with some random theory to explain why they think so and so will be fired. And to more specific I referring to Colleen who took a lil break to visit her gma. Yet her absence was all of a sudden turned into speculation as to whether she was being fired.

Sorry Warrior, but nobody indicated that she was leaving (we are all aware that there's something holding them back). I don't see who said that. We just stated our opinion of the two actresses. And we never come up with random theories, we just know what acting should be in your minds. It's as simple as that.

As far as all the younger males for me personally I think the Goddard is the worst followed by the guy playing Devon (his name eludes me right now). Of course Billy is the standout and I continue to be amazed by Greg Rikaart. He's just so versatile it's scary. To think I once hated Kevin and now I LOVE the guy. Quietly I'm hoping they go there with Amber...I think it would be drop dead hot. Probably as hot as Phick is to this day.

It's not Bryton's fault that the writers just refuse to write for his character. He had a little story when he first came in 2004, then a short bit with Yolanda in town, a little bit with ending up in the hospital in 2006, then Ana reveal in 2008. All together it doesn't even make that long. I wish they would invest more, but that clearly isn't their intention.

I agree about the Kay storyline. Very enjoyable to watch her journey back. I especially like how her memory still hasn't come fully back yet. The whole glimpses of her past that keep eluding her are just great. I like how she explained a while back. I think she said something along the lines of how it's there but she can't "grasp it". Plus the intuition that she, Amber, and Kevin have regarding her true identity is also fascinating to me. Even with the DNA test showing her to not match Jill they still believe that she's Missus C and that to me is great. T

You could see the doubt about Kay developing in Jana and Daniel. They were both on the verge of not believing Kay, and it's really not that surprising.

But of course Amber and Kevin believed. There are just some things that Marge couldn't copy even if she studied Kay.

Sursok's entire tenure on this show has been one huge absence. I'd hardly call her occasional 3 episodes a month something huge and vital. She gets day player treatment, I don't see how anyone can consider that character and actress a lead on this show. Ever since she's joined, Colleen's lingered on the backburner, and has never been given a longterm storyline to call her own.

Do you blame people for speculating about an actress that's very rarely used? Hell, Esther's logged on more appearances than her in recent months.

And furthermore, if you like her fine, but if others don't like her acting or have critiques about it, then they have the right to state that as well, as you have the right to support her.

I don't see anyone calling her a "lead". I certainly don't think of her as that. In fact I think the entire younger cast really just serves as support for the middle age and vet group to be honest.

So even though this whole Chloe storyline is front and center I don't think of Chloe or Lily as leading actresses. Maybe they're heading that way but right now lead is for people like Ashley, Nikki, Victor, Jack, Sharon, Phyllis, etc...

Your final point is noted. I just think the whole "rolls eye" thing was just a little too much. There's a difference between merely expressing an opinion as opposed to deriding another members opinion with such a dismissive tone.

@ dmarex

The whole Tammin leaves and suddenly she's "fired" or "about to be fired" thing happens constantly. Before I joined I saw it in every single Y&R thread on a weekly basis. I'm not gonna name people cuz that would be dumb but it's happened before. And it's always thrown out there every week as some sorta bait for y&r _fan....

As far as Devon the character just doesn't serve a purpose right now. I would love to have more diversity on soaps but not stale boring diversity.

As it is Neil is just dead weight to me. When they give Neil a backbone and have him leave Newman to make his OWN company and have his own struggles against the others in the corporate world and in the boardroom then I'll give a damn about the character. However his role is just as sidekick to TGVN and I'm just sick of it to be honest.

At least when Dru was on the show Neil was semi interesting. Now it's either he's all about Lily or he's all about Tyra...GMAB.

Edited February 19, 200916 yr by TheRedWarrior

They could easily write Daniel out as going to Paris to study art, should MG leave. I really don't understand the purpose of paying someone just to waste them until their contract runs out. That is unless the actor/character is not very popular with the audience and having them on risks viewership. Somehow I don't see that being the case with MG. I think it is more to do with the current writers, not really knowing what to do with the younger set, besides musical partners. Unfortunately giving them all careers as artisans, limits their ability to interact in Jabot and Newman storylines. I do however think that Y&R should pursue a fashion angle and show B&B how it can be done. Lauren could be involved, as well as Jana, Amber, Chloe and Daniel.

Have Amber and Chloe ever had a scene together? I could see the two of them actually being friends and honorary members of the ex wives of Cane club

Have Amber and Chloe ever had a scene together? I could see the two of them actually being friends and honorary members of the ex wives of Cane club

Amber was basically Chole's only friend on the show for her first few months. They bonded over their Lily hate. Though at the time, Amber was trying to reform, and Chole was scheming to get Cane away from Lily. But Chole did support Amber in her quest to win Daniel back.

The two haven't interacted in a while though, since Amber's been heavily involved with Katherine, and Chole's off in her own storyline.

I do think they're setting something up for a possible Amber and Kevin affair, which I wouldn't mind. I think Adrienne and Greg have chemistry together.

The whole Tammin leaves and suddenly she's "fired" or "about to be fired" thing happens constantly. Before I joined I saw it in every single Y&R thread on a weekly basis. I'm not gonna name people cuz that would be dumb but it's happened before. And it's always thrown out there every week as some sorta bait for y&r _fan....

Trust us, after hoping so many times that it would happen, we've all run out of energy where that is concerned. We had to somehow learn to live with the fact that for some strange reason they're keeping here there. The mere reason is because she's a dayplayer. It's someone used to fill out a scene (which could easily be filled out with someone else). Even during Brad's death storyline, they kept her appearances in every episode very short. There's a reason there.

The main point is... Colleen (as a character) should not be treated as a dayplayer. The character doesn't deserve it. They went so far as to change her personality just so that she could fit some dayplayer role.

Amber was basically Chole's only friend on the show for her first few months. They bonded over their Lily hate. Though at the time, Amber was trying to reform, and Chole was scheming to get Cane away from Lily. But Chole did support Amber in her quest to win Daniel back.

I loved their little friendship thing, short as it was.

Trust us, after hoping so many times that it would happen, we've all run out of energy where that is concerned. We had to somehow learn to live with the fact that for some strange reason they're keeping here there. The mere reason is because she's a dayplayer. It's someone used to fill out a scene (which could easily be filled out with someone else). Even during Brad's death storyline, they kept her appearances in every episode very short. There's a reason there.

They also seem extra accommodating to Sursok when she wants "time off" to shoot a movie every other month. They don't do that with anyone else, seems very strange to me.

They also seem extra accommodating to Sursok when she wants "time off" to shoot a movie every other month. They don't do that with anyone else, seems very strange to me.

They do it with Graziadei, although he doesn't do it every other month like in this case.

Exactly. I've been wondering why that is? It must be about the dayplayer thing.

I loved their little friendship thing, short as it was.

I enjoyed it too.

It doesn't seem like the females are having that many friendship scenes lately, the one between Olivia and Tyra on Wednesday's show surprised me.

Amber was basically Chole's only friend on the show for her first few months. They bonded over their Lily hate. Though at the time, Amber was trying to reform, and Chole was scheming to get Cane away from Lily. But Chole did support Amber in her quest to win Daniel back.

The two haven't interacted in a while though, since Amber's been heavily involved with Katherine, and Chole's off in her own storyline.

I do think they're setting something up for a possible Amber and Kevin affair, which I wouldn't mind. I think Adrienne and Greg have chemistry together.

It's been so long since they've interacted that I forgot all about it. It would be good if Amber could be a support to Chloe in the upcoming

custody battle

since Amber has been there and done that.

While I think that Amber and Kevin would be hot, I kinda like the tension staying that way for a long time. Maybe it's because I like both Jana and Kevin and Amber and Daniel and don't want that destroyed for a fling that will burn out once the forbidden aspect wears off. Although, a work around could be the quad having an orgy or start swinging together. I could just see those four being open minded enough to try it but would the audience have a meltdown?

Ohhhh Swingtown part deux on CBS except this time it would be in the Daytime and people would be e-mailing and writing in protesting.......

So, Spectacular turned out to be a massive bomb for Nickelodeon...

So, Spectacular turned out to be a massive bomb for Nickelodeon...

As in good or bad?

As in good or bad?

As in bad..

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracke...gs-for-nic.html

Ratings for Nickelodeon musical not so 'Spectacular!'

05:19 PM PT, Feb 17 2009

Spectacular In the end, Nickelodeon's "Spectacular!" couldn't out-sing Disney Channel's "High School Musical."

The two-hour rock musical, which aired Monday at 8 p.m. with limited commercial interruption, drew 3.3 million total viewers and posted a 6.0 rating among Nick's target kids, ages 6 to 11.

That's a far cry from the turnout for the first installment of "HSM," which drew 7.7 million viewers in January 2006. ("HSM 2" delivered a record-setting 17.3 million in August 2007).

"Spectacular!" about a huffy aspiring rock star who gets pulled into his school's show choir, faced stiff competition from Disney Channel's "Dadnapped," an original movie starring several of the network's stars, which was watched by 4.6 million viewers.

A Disney press release harped on what it called Nickelodeon's "original movie knock-off," crowing that "Dadnapped" outdelivered "Spectacular!" by 39% in total viewers, 62% among viewers 6-11 (2.1 million versus 1.3 million) and 38% among tweens (1.8 million versus 1.3 million).

On the positive tip, "Spectacular!" nearly doubled Nickelodeon's average in the time period among tweens and boosted it by 59% among kids 6-11. And in altogether better news for Nickelodeon, a new 7:30 p.m. episode of "iCarly" won the night among kids, posting a strong 9.97 rating among viewers 6-11 and a 9.56 among tweens (ages 9 to 14). "iCarly" drew 5 million viewers overall.

— Denise Martin

So, Spectacular turned out to be a massive bomb for Nickelodeon...

Darnit, I keep hoping that someone will offer Tammin a home away from Y&R.

Darnit, I keep hoping that someone will offer Tammin a home away from Y&R.

I wonder how long her contract is, and really, since she's so interested in doing outside projects, I can't see her wanting to stay when her contract is up, despite what she may say in interviews or whatever.

We'll see how long, in this trouble economy, they continue to pay her a contractual salary for a measly 3-5 appearances a month for throwaway scenes.

Edited February 19, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner