Members marla0518 Posted November 21, 2008 Members Share Posted November 21, 2008 the ratings are not up....they are down.....how can you be excited over a 3.6!!!! sure if you are talking about any other soap opera but this is Y & R not GL!!!! a 3.6 for sweeps sucks....the remote scenes sucked!!!!! the acting in the Paris scenes sucked!!!! they did not even do any research or they would have known Sharon has been to Paris!!!! seeing Victor and Ashley getting horizontal and doing the nasty turned my stomach!!!! the only good thing about sweeps has been Katherine and the aftermath of her "death"....Paris has not done anything for the ratings and if you think having close to a million less viewers since last year is a good thing....your boy JM better get his resume in order..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members shadow Posted November 21, 2008 Members Share Posted November 21, 2008 Well clearly the viewers with Nielson boxes disagree, LOL! The loss of viewership speaks volumes bout the writing and stories of Y&R. But I did love seeing the vets!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted November 21, 2008 Members Share Posted November 21, 2008 Latham at her peak at Y&R was pulling in 4.4's and 4.3's. By the end of her stint, the show was at 4.0 and occasionally getting 3.9's in HH's. It wasn't like the show was gaining in viewers every month in 2007 either, stable, yes for the most part, but not gaining. Most soaps had massive falls in late 2007, Y&R stayed stable for a while. This year was when Y&R fell as drastically as the other soaps. Daytime as a whole is falling, did anyone really expect Y&R to not follow suit? All I know is, the show feels closer to its identity than it's felt in years. That's my opinion of course. But we've gotten vet centered stories, the return of Y&R's old directing traits, history references, return of classical Y&R music scores, and return of past characters last week. I couldn't ask for more. While every story might not be brilliant, I'd take it any day over a reliquary storyline, nazis invading Genoa City, a crappy collapse of some building no one cares about, cheesy political stories, or Victoria in a pointless coma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members shadow Posted November 21, 2008 Members Share Posted November 21, 2008 Y&R, during LML stayed basically the same with the 4.4-4.0 flunctuating between the numbers going up and down. in 2007 while the resdt of the soaps hit a free fall. MAB while "cleaning" up LML supposed "mess" reached a high of 4.3 and brought us down to a new low of 3.4, the free fall for Y&R started when MAB's stories kicked into full effect in spring 2008, the numbers are there for everyone to se, and they dont lie!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members marla0518 Posted November 21, 2008 Members Share Posted November 21, 2008 876,000 less viewers then last year says it all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted November 21, 2008 Members Share Posted November 21, 2008 No, it didn't. By the middle of 2007, Y&R was not pulling in 4.4's in overall households. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ryan Chamberlain Posted November 21, 2008 Members Share Posted November 21, 2008 Jesus H. Christ. GL is horrible. I don't think I've ever since ratings that low and a show not be cancelled. I really am scared that one of the soaps I grew up watching *even though I don't anymore* Is going to end soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members shadow Posted November 21, 2008 Members Share Posted November 21, 2008 LOL did I say the middle of 2007, I said during LML the numbers went up and down, her high 4.4, her lows 4.0. In 2007 the soaps hit a free fall and Y&R was still going up and down maybe not to a 4.4 but it wasnt a 3.4. LML last high was in 12/07 with a 4.2 and during the end of the year there were some 4.3, 4.2 dalllies. Perhaps I worded it incorrectly but I wasnt pointing at any specififiic time, just saying during LML tenure on the show, cmon now! Going up and down in betwen 4 points is quite different from falling from a 4.3 to a 3.4 with a new dailly low of 3.2, nuff said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted November 21, 2008 Members Share Posted November 21, 2008 But LML flatted out at the 4.0-4.1 range well into 2007. She stopped getting anything higher than a 4.1. When Jack F. Smith inherited Y&R in 2001, the show was at like a 5.8. By his last full year in 2005, the show was at a 4.2-4.3 or so. I would say that's much worse, Smith had more years yes, but he also lost more viewers during his tenure than any other Y&R writer, but daytime was also declining rapidly at that time, like it is now. Ratings have been falling for years, Y&R was never going to be any exception to this trend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members shawn Perez Posted November 21, 2008 Members Share Posted November 21, 2008 thanks for the ratings toups. seems as though ABC is making a come back. OLTL has been great. GH has been awesome. so many cliffhangers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rangethatrover Posted November 21, 2008 Members Share Posted November 21, 2008 I am sorry but Y&R deserves to be in the 4's right now. Its just the state of television, more specifically daytime television. If we want to go down the road about shows that deserve to be at the bottom of the ratings, my choice would be B&B. If it wasn't for Flannery, KKL, McCook, and Tom- that show would be UNWATCHABLE. B&B used to be a solid, tightly focused, and campy (in a good way) 1/2 hour. B&B in no way, shape, or form "deserves" to be even at a 2.5 The show is lazy, cliched, pretty weak in the acting department, and just embarrassing. Compare that to Y&R or like it or not- OLTL- at least these shows are really TRYING to be excellent and compelling. People once spoke of OLTL being in the "lucky timeslot"- B&B has the luckiest timeslot. Its #3 rating is pure luck in my opinion. It is always on after Y&R and I think "What garbage." I leave it on because I do like the production values and background music. But where is the effort in the storytelling? Its like watching "Soapdish". I actually feel bad for GL because of its rich history. I tuned in once about 3 months ago and I just couldn't find the show involving. It looks cheap, its such a turn off visually... Who are they expecting to want to watch? They are after the college crowd? Hell GL didn't have a young fanbase since 1986 or so. GL has always (along with the rest of CBS) skewed older. I think it is terrible that CBS would simply turn on their long time fans. The show is plain UGLY. I want my soaps pretty. With nice lighting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SteveFrame Posted November 21, 2008 Members Share Posted November 21, 2008 These are Latham's Sweeps Numbers for Last Year: She lost a significant amount of viewers too from the previous year. Week 1 of Nov. Sweeps 1. Y&R 5,471,000 (-43,000/-403,000) 2. B&B 3,868,000 (+3,000/-392,000) 3. GH 3,143,000 (+199,000/-274,000) 4. ATWT 2,970,000 (-92,000/-409,000) 5. OLTL 2,659,000 (+113,000/-471,000) 6. GL 2,570,000 (+24,000/-541,000) 7. DAYS 2,543,000 (+199,000/-593,000) 8. AMC 2,480,000 (+59,000/-574,000) HH 1. Y&R 4.0/14 (-.1/-.4) 2. B&B 2.8/10 (-.1/-.4) 3. GH 2.5/8 (+.2/-.1) 4. OLTL 2.2/8 (+.2/-.2) 4. ATWT 2.2/8 (-.1/-.3) 6. AMC 2.0/7 (+.1/-.4) 7. DAYS 1.9/7 (same/-.5) 7. GL 1.9/6 (same/-.5) Week 2 Total Viewers 1. Y&R 5,752,000 (+281,000/+119,000) 2. B&B 3,922,000 (+54,000/-362,000) 3. GH 3,294,000 (+151,000/-210,000) 4. ATWT 3,203,000 (+233,000/-217,000) 5. OLTL 2,847,000 (+188,000/-278,000) 6. DAYS 2,688,000 (+145,000/-592,000) 7. GL 2,685,000 (+115,000/-342,000) 8. AMC 2,607,000 (+127,000/-492,000) HH 1. Y&R 4.0/14 (same/-.3) 2. B&B 2.8/10 (same/-.4) 3. GH 2.5/8 (same/-.3) 4. ATWT 2.3/8 (+.1/-.2) 5. OLTL 2.2/7 (same/-.3) 6. AMC 2.0/7 (same/-.5) 6. DAYS 2.0/7 (+.1/-.6) 6. GL 2.0/6 (+.1/-.3) Week 3 Total Viewers 1. Y&R 5,464,000 (-288,000/-105,000) 2. B&B 3,830,000 (-92,000/-311,000) 3. GH 3,310,000 (+16,000/-65,000) 4. ATWT 2,928,000 (-275,000/-229,000) 5. OLTL 2,829,000 (-18,000/-118,000) 6. AMC 2,685,000 (+78,000/-227,000) 7. GL 2,573,000 (-112,000/-238,000) 8. DAYS 2,561,000 (-127,000/-793,000) HH 1. Y&R 4.0/13 (same/-.2) 2. B&B 2.8/9 (same/-.4) 3. GH 2.6/8 (+.1/same) 4. OLTL 2.3/7 (+.1/same) 5. ATWT 2.2/7 (-.1/-.2) 6. AMC 2.1/7 (+.1/-.2) 7. DAYS 2.0/6 (same/-.6) 8. GL 1.9/6 (-.1/-.3) Week 4 Total Viewers 1. Y&R 5,416,000 (-48,000/-29,000) 2. B&B 3,891,000 (+61,000/-166,000) 3. GH 3,118,000 (-192,000/-217,000) 4. ATWT 2,878,000 (-50,000/-258,000) 5. DAYS 2,706,000 (+145,000/-559,000) 6. OLTL 2,644,000 (-185,000/-372,000) 7. AMC 2,586,000 (-99,000/-499,000) 8. GL 2,482,000 (-91,000/-423,000) HH 1. Y&R 3.9/14 (-.1/-.3) <-------- ties low rating 2. B&B 2.8/10 (same/-.3) 3. GH 2.5/8 (-.1/-.1) 4. ATWT 2.2/7 (same/-.3) 5. DAYS 2.1/7 (+.1/-.4) 5. AMC 2.1/7 (same/-.4) 5. OLTL 2.1/7 (-.2/-.3) 8. GL 1.9/6 (same/-.4) She had gains but by the end of the November sweeps Latham was back down to a tie of the new HH low she had brought the show too. I am not one of those that hated everything Latham did. She had some good points and I enjoyed some of the show. But her version of Y&R was not true Y&R. Just like Sheffer's version of Days was not true Days. Neither show while both of those were there felt like the shows I grew up and loved. Right now Y&R feels more like Y&R than it has ever felt. The quality is tons better and for me that speaks a whole lot more than high ratings. For years what has been happening on OLTL and Y&R of late and even AMC is what most of the general fans of soaps have been asking for. We are getting less emphasis on a short group or selected few and getting a good old fashion ensemble feel to the shows. And people can call me cruel for saying it but sorry the fan bases have had things gloriously for awhile. I am ready for good old ensemble show that is yes about love and couples but they are not the be all and end all of every story. No one would have convinced me 2 years ago or even a year ago that I would ever have an AMC again that did not revolve around Kendall, Babe and Greenlee. Right now both Babe and Kendall are gone and Greenlee is given in small doses and I have never enjoyed the show more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SteveFrame Posted November 21, 2008 Members Share Posted November 21, 2008 Oh and one other thing I know that it doesn't matter a lot but I think that Nielsen did an upgrade of how many households are represented by an HH point since last year. So a 3.6 this year is not quite the same as a 3.6 last year. Maybe Toups has what the numbers represent now. I can't find them. And also remember when you are talking about viewers and I have to remind myself often with the way Neilsen tabulates them they could be off by at least a 1,000 viewers if those viewers include a college dorm or student center because they just estimate how many of those college students are actually tuning in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members shadow Posted November 21, 2008 Members Share Posted November 21, 2008 Her last high was a 4.2 in the month of December of 2007, and also during that month dallies had some 4.2, and 4.3's. LML maintained the ratings she inherited with some peaks for almost two years, MAB, like JS brought the ratings down, just quicker. What happened to JS? LOL! Clearly the general viewers are not liking what they are watching on Y&R!! Her last high was a 4.2 in the month of December of 2007, and also during that month dallies had some 4.2, and 4.3's. LML maintained the ratings she inherited with some peaks for almost two years, MAB, like JS brought the ratings down, just quicker. What happened to JS? LOL! Clearly the general viewers are not liking what they are watching on Y&R!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SteveFrame Posted November 21, 2008 Members Share Posted November 21, 2008 You wouldn't know that from reading the discussion threads on the boards. The only ones that I don't hear enjoying it are fan bases. The same with AMC. The general fans are loving both shows for the first time in years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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