Members DevotedToAMC Posted May 7, 2008 Members Share Posted May 7, 2008 Neither one really won Missouri since it went 50/50 and they got the same amount of pledged delegates for that state...and he is doing well with white men and women as well. I saw some Rasmussen and Survey USA polls with him having at least 20 points ahead in North Carolina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevotedToAMC Posted May 7, 2008 Members Share Posted May 7, 2008 She should not have to drop out when she has many more primaries in her favor, will get the momentum, and is leading McCain by more than Obama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevotedToAMC Posted May 7, 2008 Members Share Posted May 7, 2008 She is not destroying the party if she wants every person to vote in the remaining primaries and they should vote. Dropping out means they won't vote...she is behind in the delegant and popular vote counts for now. I never said McCain is scared of her but she is beating him right now-more than Obama. Don't pull this "it's so lame and like you..." BS because that borders on bashing (also shows you as an arrogant know it all) and you seemed to do that earlier on in this thread and I called you out on it. When I refer to his bitter comments, it is to show where he loses points with certain people and those remarks will hurt him for much longer...they are still fresh in people's minds. I would not say people misstate things every day but yea it can happen...he knows he is in a position where he should choose his words more carefully. I will defend Hillary if I see some assertions against her that I find are unwarranted and unreasonable....I never said he meant to hurt people with the bitter comments. Don't put words into my mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevotedToAMC Posted May 7, 2008 Members Share Posted May 7, 2008 I think she meant that the game changer thing was more that she would get as many votes as she could and that she would not lose by as much as polls predicted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevotedToAMC Posted May 7, 2008 Members Share Posted May 7, 2008 LOL not a problem. I just think he was being unreasonable by reading into your post something that was not there. I did not see you as bashing but he seemed to border on bashing me but I will leave that up for him to explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevotedToAMC Posted May 7, 2008 Members Share Posted May 7, 2008 Just two weeks? LOL I think the media still beats to death things related to Hillary Clinton since she takes a beating from this press. That is enough to fill a special broadcast and people know what she has done and said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevotedToAMC Posted May 7, 2008 Members Share Posted May 7, 2008 More like you get more momentum when you make ground in polls showing you to lose by a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevotedToAMC Posted May 7, 2008 Members Share Posted May 7, 2008 4 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevotedToAMC Posted May 7, 2008 Members Share Posted May 7, 2008 and do a lot more...she was heavily involved in policy enough for some to consider her co president Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevotedToAMC Posted May 7, 2008 Members Share Posted May 7, 2008 I don't see it as an excuse but more along the lines of explaining why she did something...and I think I heard her apologize for her comments on Bosnia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevotedToAMC Posted May 7, 2008 Members Share Posted May 7, 2008 If she wants, she can...but I don't consider her years as First Lady experience the same way I do Hillary Clinton. Hillary was heavily involved in foreign affairs and policy while Laura has not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevotedToAMC Posted May 7, 2008 Members Share Posted May 7, 2008 I don't think either one should drop out because they should stay in and make sure everyone votes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevotedToAMC Posted May 7, 2008 Members Share Posted May 7, 2008 She should be the nominee if she is beating him by more...would you rather have the one who is beating McCain by a slimmer margin with the possibility of losing be the nominee than the one who comes off more formidable than the opponent? I would say that having her as the nominee is honoring outcomes since the Democrats who voted want the person beating McCain more to be the nominee....some who voted for Obama see Hillary is winning against him by more and will want the person the most likely to win to be the nominee. I consider her a co president since she was involved in foreign policy and policy...she had a huge influence on the way things happened so yes she is the co president. I don't care if she said she was not or whatever...the point is many people thought she was. If so many superdelegates are switching, why did she just get a couple right now? They are going to commit to whoever they want and she just got some good scores of SDs recently. Continuing this race is not embarrassing her but making sure everyone gets a chance to vote. Obama should have blown Hillary's socks off more in NC but he did not...that says something. He was winning in some polls a couple of weeks ago by a good 20 or so percent but he got it at 14. She gained ground and cut into the lead. That is how I see it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wales2004 Posted May 7, 2008 Members Share Posted May 7, 2008 This is funny. I didn't even bash the op because I didn't call the person names or any such thing. All I did was make an inference that by saying he was coming to Oregon, USA to campaign for Hilary Clinton and implying that Americans were voting for an unqualified candidate that it makes Americans but more specifically Obama supporters stupid. That's deductive reasoning not bashing. But "victims" spin however they choose. I seem to border on bashing you. I'd love to know how and then maybe I can offer an explanation as to why once you tell me how. Then again I recall that there was some discussion about the meaning of obliterate and another word and you took them to be the same so there's no telling what bashing means to you and there's no doubt that it means something else to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roman Posted May 7, 2008 Members Share Posted May 7, 2008 If that is the case, she didn't win Ind. He had more votes at the end of the voting here......so did he win it or not? I'm just trying to go by your logic. See, they tied in Missouri, even though he had more votes. So, by your logic, they tied in IND. because she had slightly more votes, right? And......I saw NBC News polls which had them winning by the exact amount they won by in each state. I don't put any stock into Survey USA......they apparently were WAY off the mark. And she said the game changer would be the fact that she would win NC......she said it, and her people said it. Now it's something different. I also agree with Adam....she should think about calling it a day when she is behind in the popular vote......AND PDs.......and states won.......and he is catching up in SDs. And......the polls don't mean anything, but the do when they show her winning? What? Once again, for everyone in the cheap seats........if she is gievn this nomination after trailing in almost every single category, don't say one word when Obama's supporters stay at home or vote for McCain in November..... Because she will have brought it on herself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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