Barack Obama Elected President!

[George008]

That's the way they are spinning it? Oh ok. Bill believes Barack thinks that way? Alright.

Who's seat on the Supreme Court is she going to get? Who is going to die in the next four years, assuming Obama is elected.

Ok now you show me. I asked for Obama's outline, not a recording of his entire speech. I've already seen it. Still vague comments, which I will admit sound great, but are backed up with no validity

[Ryan]

So says an associate. Bill didn't come out and say it, we're supposed to believe this anonymous longtime associate? Yeah, ok. I don't doubt that he didn't say it, but don't say he was quoted, when in fact, there is no proof that he said it.

[Roman]

Jay, don't do this.

The Republican machine can only come up with this BS because they can't cover for the fact that McCain has screwed up his campaign.

And......what do people think Mitt Romney and Tim Pawlenty are calling John McCain right now?

[Dr. Jay S.W.]

Listen to the speech. He has made it clear. The fact that you are acting like what he said in that speech is vague shows me that you didnt listen to it, probably because you were so bitter because Obama is going to give Mccain a whoopin come November, so me telling you would be a waste of my writing. Wait until he wins the election for the validity.

[George008]

You cant do it can you? You make yet another Obama supporter that fails to convey Obama's plan.

[Ryan]

Now i could just harp on this one statement, but I love that this article was balanced. It showed people who A) Are supportive and proud and Showed people who disagree with the decision.

I applaud John McCain for him choosing a woman, but the guy whose big criticism of Obama was his "lack of experience," ended up choosing someone who has "less experience" than Obama. If he was going to choose a woman as his VP, he could have chosen Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison

[Roman]

Jay, I heard the speech. He did spell out his agenda......

Unlike John McCain, who hasn't decided which side of the fence he sits on to tell us his plans.

[Dr. Jay S.W.]

No. I make yet another Obama supporter who would rather not waste his breath, well his writing in this case. Casey, I am telling you to watch the Speech, go on Youtube, etc. because it's there. I'm just not going to fall into this trap and play this game with you. I already know my canidate has got it in November. You don't, which is why your acting like this. That, or your a Republican.

[George008]

I HAVE watched the speech. Ok...I'm not trying to trap you. Funny you would use those words. I am grasping at any substance that Obama displays. I heard none in the speech. I am hearing none from you. Please enlighten my deaf ears.

How do you know your candidate has it in November? Please give me specifics.

You sound more like a boy in a school yard sticking out his toungue than an informed voter.

I know the specifics of McCain's plans. I would find it very intriguing to hear what specifics of Obama's plan are motivating his average supporter. I have not been asked what McCain's plans are. If I were I would have no fear of being "trapped" or trying to explain.

[Dr. Jay S.W.]

Noope I wont do it. You know damn well Obama has made himself clear on this war, his plans for health care, foreign oil, education cost, equal pay for woman. I keep up. If you want details, go find them, because I wont get into it with you. Trust me, the reason im not going into details here isn't me, it's you.

[Roman]

And you see, for all the talk of Obama's lack of plans......

No one has posted McCain's plans.

[GoldenDogs]

These pages of back and forth "debating" is what I find funny. I haven't been this entertained with a series of posts since the old Ericakane4life drama of a year and a half ago! But I need to work all of this out in long form... both sides here present compelling points for me to ponder (except the personal attacks on individual candidates, I disregard those because I feel all of the candidates are truly nice people)...

I'm breaking this down for my own edification in the most simplistic form the qualifications (not a full list, btw):

EXPERIENCE:

McCain - Longtime politician (seasoned and experienced)

Obama - 20 months in the Senate (liberal)

Palin - About 20 months Governor of Alaska (conservative)

Biden - Longtime politician (season and experienced)

HEALTH ISSUES:

McCain - History of Cancer

Obama - N/A

Palin - N/A

Biden - History of Brain Aneuryisms

IDEOLOGY:

McCain - Moderate or Conservative (Depends on what crowd is gathered)

Obama - Moderate to Liberal (Depends on what crowd is gathered)

Palin - Conservative (No crowds yet, but record is clear)

Biden - Liberal (No crowds yet, but record is clear)

The race for the White House basically comes down to idealogy, as far as I can tell. Because the two veteran politicians in the batch could both succumb in a flash, leaving less experienced individuals without someone to lean on. Of course, there is always a well-appointed cabinet for the President to rely upon... which really makes the health issues and experience issues DOA.

So, what ideology do you want reflected in US Supreme Court picks? That is what is at stake, as far as I can tell. Obama's religion, McCain's age, Biden's mouth, and Palin's children make for foolish debate, in my opinion. It's all about a conservative or liberal agenda. But even with SCOTUS picks, Congress weighs in heavily and can vote yes or no or simply remain deadlocked, advancing no agenda at all.

OMG, it all seems so damn pointless now. LOL!! Crap, politics are pointless... soaps suck these days...

<<SIGHS>> I'm so depressed. Oh well... I've got other things to think about... after all, I'll be married in less than a month!

Brian

[George008]

I have heard what he plans to do. I have watched the speech, as I have mentioned several times. My question is HOW? I have kept up religiously to his plans. I want to know how informed his voters are.

How is he going to fund universal healthcare? How is he going to ensure equal pay for women? Other posters have said he will NOT raise taxes. Obama has said nothing about a reduction in spending. So, again, HOW is all of this going to be done?

I have been asking this since the night of his speech in this thread. I said earlier that I would vote for him if he gave a clear reasoning of how he is going to accomplish all of this.

I can honestly say that I am still undecided in this election. If Obama could deliver his means of accomplishing all of this as well as he speaks about what needs to be changed. Then I could possibly be swayed to vote for him. I have almost come to the point of begging for more info. I cant get it.

[Ryan]

For those who asked, here are some specifics from Obama's speech. Specifics that he laid out during his speech. Obama laid out more than 29 plans he has for America, and I echo Jay when I say if you want to know what his plans are, you can listen to the speech. But to make things a little easier, here is are some of his plans.

Economy

Obama has pledged to attack the weak economy with another stimulus plan to follow the $168 billion package of tax rebates for individuals and tax breaks for businesses that Congress passed last February. Obama's stimulus would include tax rebates, aid to state and local governments and increased spending for infrastructure projects. He would also increase spending in other areas such as alternative energy programs.

Taxes

Retain President Bush's tax cuts for families making less than $250,000 a year and provide more relief to the squeezed middle class by creating new tax breaks for lower-income families; extend the current "patch" that keeps the Alternative Minimum Tax, designed to make sure the wealthy pay their fair share of taxes, from hitting more middle-class families; exempt seniors making less than $50,000 per year from paying income taxes, expand the tax credit for college and provide incentives to encourage savings, and help pay for child care and pay mortgage expenses.

Energy

A short-term rebate of $1,000 per couple to help with rising energy costs; release of up to 70 million barrels of oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, and investment of $15 billion a year over the next decade to encourage renewable energy, clean-coal technology and electric cars.

Health Care

Obama would increase the number of people with health insurance by having the government subsidize the cost of coverage for low- and middle-income families. To help pay for that expense, Obama would increase taxes for those families earning more than $250,000. He also would require employers not offering health coverage to pay a percentage of their payroll toward a national health plan. And he would mandate that children have health insurance, and expand who can participate in Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program.

Foriegn Policy

Obama says he would engage both allies and adversaries to repair the U.S. image abroad and regain leverage and leadership that he says Bush squandered. He says he will marshal international pressure against Iran, boost U.S. efforts against extremists along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border and get a faster and firmer start on Middle East peacemaking.

Defense

Pull all U.S. combat forces out of Iraq within 16 months, send more combat troops to Afghanistan and provide better care for wounded troops and veterans.

Education

An $18 billion plan that would encourage, but not mandate, universal pre-kindergarten; teacher pay raises tied to, although not based solely on, test scores; an overhaul of President Bush's No Child Left Behind law to better measure student progress, make room for non-core subjects like music and art and be less punitive toward failing schools, and a tax credit to pay up to $4,000 of college costs for students who perform 100 hours of community service a year. Obama would pay for his plan by ending corporate tax deductions for CEO pay and delaying NASA's moon and Mars missions.

[Dr. Jay S.W.]

Well Ryan, you're a better person than I.