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I feel like they are trying to make them the modern day Winters brothers, and it ain't panning out. Both of them are boring. Love them, but they are boring. Jacob's cop story totally fell to the wayside. I take it b/c MVJ didn't want Joey on the canvas so fast after it became apparent that Joey/Vanessa had chemistry. If they toss Izaiah in Hayley's orbit and put Hayley and Eva at odds, that might make Izaiah interesting. Again, he should've been made an unapologetic, social climbing sl*t. I think the show's primary issue is that we have half the characters being characters who we love. We have a small fraction (Eva/Hayley/Leslie/Joey) of characters who we love to hate. But we have a fraction of characters who we just hate (Tomas/Ashley/Derek/Izaiah) because they are underdeveloped.

@DRW50 @Vee @vetsoapfan @MichaelGL @Paul Raven This little soap nugget got uploaded the other day

I do agree that there is too much praise of the Dupree family. Any great soap first family has opposition and Leslie ain't enough. I am hoping that the budget gets expanded over the next year, so they can add a rival family to Fairmont Crest. They can easily just give Anastasia (the country club gossip) family. Again, I think Derek just needs to be re-routed and he'll be fine. Put him alongside Jacob and out of Ashley's orbit and he'll be fine. To me, Ashley is the worst character and should've been the first on the chopping block. The potential could be there, but I don't see them expanding on it. I find her to be a drip of a character and Jen Jacobs is not the strongest actress. I don't mind Tomas. He's a classic, model-esqe soap actor with little ability. I feel like Tomas could be more interesting much like Ashley if they possibly did a personality shift on him. Both characters are one note and saccharine. If Tomas was a social climbing sl*t and owned it, he'd be more endearing.

Good. I am glad he's finally contract as he was wasted on GH. And I agree that Shanice needs to be upgraded, too, if not. I do feel bad for the actor who plays Derek as he wasn't horrible. His character is just boring and is isolated as a fire fighter. IDK why MVJ didn't make him Jacob's partner. And Derek had great chemistry with Shanice. But whatever.

Love this. Just masterful. I think this is what I was hoping to capture by doing this thread. AI can give you the foundation, but a good writer had to go in and still fill in the blanks.

@Maxim I share your apprehension (too) about AI. I do think that it can be used by lazy ass writers to at least get the bare bones of their story and then do the rest of the job of filling in the holes and adding the human emotion. For instance, Brad and Josh could easily ask AI the same question I did and use it to inspire or enhance their own stories. I agree that you can tell an AI response from a human response because it lacks emotion, which is where I think a lot of people go wrong when they are using it to compose documents, etc. As I tell everyone, you still have to go in and add emotion to whatever AI devises. Yes, it cuts down the time to do stuff, but you still have to feed it information and train it.

I am on the fence as I think AI can do a lot, but of course, it has to be human fed first. From these "what-if" situations, I am seeing AI devise better stories than Josh Griffith and Brad Bell have composed in 25 years. My point of this thread goes back to my comment in another thread where I said we'd be better having AI devise long story at this point instead of those two. What it is churning out is more compelling.

We only did that scenario because @DRW50 said he'd be interested to see if AI could handle old, classic stories that never happened basically. It's a "what-if_ situation like all these prompts.

I think it pulled from Lemay's "Eight Years in Another World" around the time he wanted to tell the story (which I need to re-read to confirm), which AI is saying 1975 (as @DRW50 pointed out). I did tell AI to reference the book and the Another World Homepage, too. With AI, if you feed it information or tell it where to pull resources from, it'll do so. I am learning more about it as my job slightly encourages us to use AI at times.

Did a scenario using the current B&B Katie v. Brooke pending story and I said: "Can you now devise a long story on Bold and the Beautiful where Katie Logan opens a rival fashion house against Forrester Creations? Brooke and Katie need to be at odds. Donna need to be torn between the battling sisters. And how will it affect her marriage with Eric? And Brooke's children (Hope, Rick, RJ, and Jack) need to be involved. What sides will they choose? How will it affect Will and Electra? Steffi? Ivy? Carter? Eric? How will the return of Amber impact everything? What side will she choose? Will be a mole? Don't forget Bill Spencer needs to be heavily involved, pulling the strings and ensuring Logan fashion house excels. In true B&B fashion, the story needs to be filled with double-crossing, intrigue, and sex. We want to recapture classic Bold and the Beautiful but it needs to be modern." AI said... This is the kind of high-stakes, glamorous warfare that The Bold and the Beautiful was built on. To make it modern, we move away from simple boardroom bickering and into a full-scale "Logan Civil War." Here is the blueprint for the storyline: "The Logan Legacy: Divided We Fall." The Catalyst: The "Forgotten" LoganAfter years of being the moral compass at Forrester Creations, Katie Logan is passed over for a leadership role in favor of Steffy and RJ. Feeling invisible, Katie finds an unlikely ally in Bill Spencer. Fueling her fire, Bill offers her the ultimate revenge: "Logan Luxe," a rival fashion house backed by the Spencer billions. He doesn't just want Katie to succeed; he wants to dismantle the Forrester dynasty brick by brick. The Lines Are DrawnThe Rivalry: Brooke vs. KatieBrooke views Katie’s move as the ultimate betrayal of the family and Eric’s legacy. The Conflict: Brooke tries to "big sister" Katie into folding, but Katie snaps. The rivalry turns personal when Katie lures Forrester’s top model—and Brooke’s youngest son—Jack Marone, to be the face of the Logan Luxe Men’s Line. The Intrigue: To get back at Katie, Brooke begins a secret flirtation with Bill, testing if his loyalty is to the "new" Katie or his "classic" obsession with Brooke. The Heart: Donna and EricDonna is the "Lady of the Mansion," but her life becomes a nightmare. The Marriage: Eric is devastated. He views Logan Luxe as an attack on his life's work. When Donna is caught leaking a Forrester sketch to Katie (out of pity), Eric kicks her out of the mansion. The Fallout: Donna finds herself living in a Spencer penthouse, effectively becoming Katie’s reluctant spy, though her heart is still in Eric’s bed. The Next Generation: Picking SidesTeam Logan Luxe (Katie): * Jack Marone: Wants to step out of the Forrester/Marone shadow. Rick Logan: Returns from Paris with a grudge. He’s tired of Ridge’s kids running the show and becomes Katie’s ruthless CEO. Will Spencer: Working alongside his father, Will uses his tech brilliance to sabotage Forrester’s digital runway launch. Team Forrester (Brooke/Ridge): RJ Forrester: Loyal to his father’s design legacy, RJ is heartbroken to be designing against his aunts. Hope Logan: Torn. She hates the fighting, but when Katie’s line starts outselling Hope for the Future, the "Logans against Logans" battle turns Hope into a "Dark Logan" who will do anything to stay on top. The Wild Cards: Amber, Steffy, and IvyThe Return of Amber MooreRick brings Amber Moore back to Los Angeles to lead the design team for Logan Luxe. The Mole: Amber is technically working for Katie, but she’s secretly sleeping with Carter Walton. The Double-Cross: Carter, feeling undervalued by the Forresters, is tempted to join Logan Luxe. Amber uses their "intense" physical connection to siphon legal secrets from Forrester. But is she loyal to Rick, or is she playing her own game to become the new matriarch? The Steffy & Ivy FactorSteffy is in "full CEO mode," viewing the Logans as a "cancer" that finally cut itself out of Forrester. She aligns with Ivy Forrester, who returns to bring the jewelry division back to the forefront. Steffy and Ivy use the chaos to try and push Brooke out of Forrester entirely, leading to a physical confrontation in the design office involving a champagne bucket and silk organza. The "B&B" Twist: Sex and SabotageThe Secret Affair: Amidst the corporate war, Will Spencer and Electra (who is supposed to be loyal to Forrester) begin a torrid, forbidden romance. They meet in the Spencer gym and Forrester sauna, trading trade secrets for kisses. The Sabotage: The night before the "Logan Luxe" debut at the Beach Club, someone slashes the entire collection. Katie blames Brooke; Brooke blames Amber; but the cameras show a mysterious figure in a Spencer hoodie. The Climax: The Duel of the RunwaysThe story culminates in a "Simultaneous Runway" event. Bill Spencer buys the lot directly across from Forrester Creations and sets up a transparent tent. As the models walk, Bill pulls the ultimate string: He reveals he has acquired a 51% stake in the building that houses Forrester Creations. He isn't just Katie's backer—he is now Eric and Ridge's landlord. He threatens to evict Forrester unless Brooke spends one night with him at the Spencer estate.

OK. I did another scenario. Here's what I asked: "Can you devise a soap storyline for As the World Turns had it still continued? How about a poignant love triangle between Lisa Miller, John Dixon, and Lucinda Walsh. Can we also add a widowed Don Hughes back in the mix, too? Kim and Bob Hughes, who are close friends to Lisa have to be involved somewhat too." What Gemini devised: If As the World Turns were still on the air in 2025, Oakdale would be buzzing with the arrival of its most legendary titans. To make this work, we lean into the rich history of these characters—their rivalries, their shared losses, and that undeniable spark that never quite goes out. Here is a pitch for a storyline titled: "The Oakdale Autumn." The Premise: A Legacy at StakeThe story begins with the 90th Anniversary of Memorial Hospital. A gala is being thrown, and the guest list is a "who’s who" of Oakdale history. However, the celebration is a facade; a mysterious conglomerate is attempting a hostile takeover of both the hospital and Walsh Enterprises. The PlayersThe Matriarch: Lisa Miller, still the undisputed queen of the Oakdale. The Rival: Lucinda Walsh, sharper than ever but facing a rare moment of professional vulnerability. The Rogue: Dr. John Dixon, returning from "retirement" in Switzerland with a secret. The Soul: Don Hughes, returning to Oakdale after the passing of his wife, seeking a quiet place to heal. The Storyline: "The Last Waltz"1. The Unexpected ReturnThe gala is in full swing when Don Hughes walks in. He’s grieving and looking for the comfort of his brother, Bob, and sister-in-law, Kim. Kim immediately senses that Don is adrift. She suggests he stay at the Hughes’ guest house, but Lisa, ever the opportunist, insists he stay in the Penthouse at the Lakeview "on the house." 2. The Triangle IgnitesJohn Dixon arrives shortly after, claiming he’s back to "save the hospital" from the takeover. He immediately gravitates toward Lisa—their chemistry is as volatile as ever. However, he discovers that Lucinda is the one who secretly funded his return to help her fight the corporate raiders. The Conflict: Lucinda and John share a "battle-hardened" bond; they understand each other’s ruthlessness. But John has always had a soft spot for Lisa’s vulnerability, and Lisa has always been John's greatest "what if." The Twist: Lucinda realizes that to win John’s full loyalty, she has to dismantle his lingering feelings for Lisa. She begins a subtle campaign to push Lisa toward the newly widowed (and very wealthy) Don Hughes. 3. The Hughes InterventionBob and Kim find themselves in the middle. Bob is worried about Don’s heart; he knows Lisa Miller is "weather" that Don might not be prepared for in his fragile state. Kim’s Role: Kim acts as the bridge. She confronts Lucinda about her manipulations, leading to a classic "battle of the blondes" scene in the Lakeview lounge. Kim tells Lucinda: "You can buy companies, Lucinda, but you can't manage human hearts." The Climax: A Night at the LakeviewAt a private dinner, the four icons collide. John is jealous of the "old-fashioned" comfort Don provides Lisa. Lisa is torn: Does she want the excitement and danger of John Dixon, or the steady, honest love of a man like Don Hughes? Lucinda realizes she might actually be falling for John herself, complicating her cold-blooded business plan. The storyline would culminate in a high-stakes board meeting where the future of Oakdale is decided, not just by stock options, but by which alliance holds true.

When I read it and got to the end, that final line just got to me. It would make sense that Michael would have to be written off in due time due to time the story would've occurred, and I could totally picture Lemay giving Michael a subtle yet happy ending for the audience to interpret. Minus the Iris hiccup, I am stunned that it mapped a story as good as it did. I don't think it caught it either, but that's something that could be easily tweaked by feeding Gemini more information and why Iris wouldn't be the best choice. Wouldn't Molly Ordaway be better? Didn't she and Michael get involved at once? At least I thought I heard it in the clip where Olive and Liz locked horns before Liz spoke to John.

I do wish we got more Scott and Kip, but now that you all mapped it out, it was the perfect mini-escape from Hollanov and it helped transitioned their story from lust to love.

I asked Gemini to do the following: "Can you help me compose of story for the soap opera Another World? There was a character named Michael Randolph on the show in the 70s. He was going to be made bisexual. Can we compose a story? Another World Homepage and Eight Years in Another World by Harding Lemay are good reference points." It provided me with... This is a fascinating piece of television "what if?" history. As you noted, Harding Lemay—the head writer who transformed Another World into a character-driven literary powerhouse—originally intended for Michael Randolph (the son of John and Pat Randolph) to be the first gay or bisexual character in daytime television history. In his memoir Eight Years in Another World, Lemay recounts how he planned for Michael to return from college and reveal his sexuality, which would have acted as a catalyst for the final collapse of John and Pat’s already strained marriage. However, the sponsor (Procter & Gamble) and the network blocked the move, forcing Lemay to marry Michael off to Molly Ordway and later Karen Campbell. Below is a "reconstructed" storyline that aligns with Lemay’s 1970s aesthetic: focusing on internal psychological conflict, class dynamics, and the "unspoken" tensions within the Matthews/Randolph clan. Story Title: The Shadow in the GardenThe Setup: The Return of the Prodigal SonMichael Randolph returns to Bay City after a long "sabbatical" in Europe following his graduation. To his mother, Pat, he is the golden boy who will finally stabilize the family. To his father, John, he is a rival for Pat's attention and a reminder of John’s own perceived failures as a "man's man." Michael brings with him a "friend" from his travels—Julian Vane, an enigmatic, sophisticated architecture student. While Michael tells Pat that Julian is just a roommate helping him with his law studies, the tension in the Randolph living room is palpable. The Conflict: A House DividedThe story wouldn't be a "coming out" in the modern sense; in Lemay’s world, it would be a slow bleed of subtext and growing resentment: John’s Suspicion: John Randolph, always struggling with his own masculine insecurities and his history of infidelity, begins to sense an "otherness" in his son. He pushes Michael to join his law firm and marry a "suitable" Bay City girl (perhaps a cousin of the Corys). John’s hostility toward Julian isn't just about Michael; it’s about John’s fear that his family legacy is dissolving. Pat’s Denial: Pat Randolph, ever the emotional anchor (and occasional alcoholic), chooses to see only what she wants. She treats Julian like a second son, ignoring the long silences and the way Michael looks at Julian when he thinks no one is watching. The Breaking Point: At a high-society party at the Cory Mansion, Michael is cornered by Mac Cory’s daughter, Iris, who tries to manipulate him into a romance for her own social gain. The pressure of the performance causes Michael to snap. He doesn't make a grand announcement; instead, he has a private, devastating confrontation with John in the library. The "Lemay" TwistIn true Harding Lemay fashion, the "scandal" isn't just the sexuality—it’s the hypocrisy. Michael reveals he knows about John’s past affairs and "double life." He argues that his love for Julian is more honest than the "theatre of marriage" John and Pat have been performing for decades. The ResolutionThe storyline would conclude not with a happy ending, but with a melancholy departure. Recognizing that Bay City is too small for his truth, Michael decides to move to New York City with Julian. The Fallout: Pat is left shattered, finally forced to look at the cracks in her marriage without Michael there to act as a buffer. The Final Frame: The story ends with Michael and Julian at the Bay City train station. They don't hold hands—it's 1975, after all—but as the train pulls away, Michael looks back at the skyline of Bay City and realizes he has finally found his own "Another World."

In the other thread, I made a throwaway comment about how the Bell soaps at this stage should just let AI compose stories for them, and I thought, "Hmm... I wonder what AI would churn out if I fed it enough information?" Just a cute, fun thread for us to play around and see what interesting things they'd create. For instance, I asked AI to "Devise a business story for me for Young and the Restless involving Victor Newman and Jack Abbott that is ripped from the headlines. Something current. Jabot (Jack's company) versus Newman Enterprises (Victor's company). Do it about their beauty lines being at odds." It gave me the following options: To pull a story "ripped from the headlines" for Victor Newman and Jack Abbott, we can look at the real-world 2024–2025 shift in the beauty industry: the decline of "founder-led hype" and the massive rise of "Longevity Science" and AI-personalized skincare. Here is a storyline that pits Jabot against Newman Enterprises using these current business battlegrounds. Storyline: "The Immortality Protocol"The Headline: "The Death of the Influencer and the Birth of Bio-Hacking"In the real world, brands like Rhode and L'Oréal are pivoting away from celebrity faces and toward "medical-grade longevity" and AI diagnostics. In Genoa City, the battle for the vanity of the world is about to turn toxic. The Conflict: Jabot’s "Ancestral" vs. Newman’s "Eternal"Jack Abbott launches "Jabot Ancestry," a line focused on "clean beauty" and ethically sourced ingredients (referencing the real-world 2025 "Clean Beauty" regulation acts). He positions it as a return to the legacy of John Abbott—wholesome, traditional, and transparent. Victor Newman, sensing a weakness, acquires a cutting-edge biotech startup to launch "Newman Eternal." Using a "ripped from the headlines" trend, Victor integrates Conversational AI (like the real-world 2025 AI-beauty assistants) that "scans" customers' faces via smartphone to prescribe a personalized chemical cocktail. The Turning Point: The "Bio-Silk" ScandalA major 2025 industry headline involves class-action lawsuits over "Fake Collagen" and synthetic ingredients in "plant-based" products. The Sabotage: Victor discovers that one of Jabot’s "organic" suppliers is actually providing a synthetic "Bio-Silk" that hasn't been FDA-approved. The Moustache Twirl: Instead of reporting it, Victor waits for Jabot’s massive global launch. He then uses his media conglomerate to leak the "greenwashing" scandal the moment Jack’s stock is most vulnerable. Jack’s Retaliation: Jack finds out that Newman’s "Eternal" AI isn't just analyzing skin—it’s harvesting biometric data to sell to insurance companies (a major 2025 privacy concern). The Climax: The Boardroom ShowdownThe story culminates in a black-tie gala at the Athletic Club. Jack stands on stage, ready to apologize for the supplier error, only to reveal he has bought the very data-mining company Victor was using. Jack now owns Victor’s "proprietary" AI, effectively holding Newman Enterprises’ entire beauty division hostage. What this story uses from 2025 headlines:AI Diagnostics: Based on the real-world 2025 integration of AI-powered skin analysis. Greenwashing Lawsuits: Inspired by the 2024/2025 class-action suits against brands like Neutrogena and Tom’s of Maine regarding "natural" claims. Biometric Privacy: Reflecting the current global legal debate over how beauty apps handle facial data.

I do hope that they expand on Kip and Scott more in season 2. I need to see more of Francois Arnaud. 😁 And I am wondering are they going to add more characters from the other books in future seasons.

hockey division. @All My Shadows was not joking. That last episode was so passionate. The little kisses and touches... I got a little faint. When is season 2 coming? I need them to start filming now. And I need me a man in the meantime. (SN: It's funny that y'all were talking about military men b/c one just hit me up on an app, but I digress! Staying on topic...)

Me after finishing season 1:

@Taoboi, after episode 5, my bae, Ilya, he needs me.

I just started episode 5 now.

Agreed. I was hoping with Martin being in the political sphere that we were going to get a Capitol-lite story with Martin on Capitol Hill getting involved in all the shady sh*t that goes on. I still feel like it is a plot that can write itself with all that is going on in the political sphere now. At times, I wish they would've made Joey a fellow politician/Martin's rival instead of a mobster. Hell, many politicians move like mobsters, so why not do that? I was also hoping that Martin's secret would've been a Chappaquiddick-esqe incident where he accidentally killed a lover in a drunken fury and Vernon and Anita covered it up. I think Dani would be a good internal rival for ChelseaKat, as early on they teased that Chelsea v. Dani tiff, but it was dropped. As aforementioned, it would be fun to see Dani infiltrate the brand (in hopes of finding herself after Bill) and cause tension with Chelsea AND cause it between Chelsea and Kat. Lastly, Bill's business partner could've been the first major arc villain on the show outside of Leslie; he should've been knowledgeable of all Bill's antics (more specifically threatening to harm Eva/Leslie) and blackmailed him into defending him. He could've learned of Hayley's true identity. And learned of Martin's incident, Vanessa/Doug's issues, and dangled Ted's affair over his head. I would've had him assault (not r*pe) Naomi, which rattled her initially but eventually light a fire for her nail him. However, we'd end up in a classic "whodunit" with someone like Doug or Randy (Hayley's cousin) being the true killer. And I am sure that a lot of it might do with budget constraints right now, so I am hoping that the budget gets expanded. Again, these are suggestions they could've taken, and I adore the show for what they do give us. I just want more for it.

There is no real corporation on BTG, so it does not need to occur. However, workplace drama is endless. Workplace drama rings true to life. We all experience it. Know it. Have dealt with it. Only for so long can Leslie and Eva running around like a Scooby villain to keep me entertained. Workplace drama also puts characters that don't typically interact in the same orbit allowing them to expand. I want to see Bill, Tomas, and Naomi at odds in the legal realm. That sexual harassment story got dropped too fast. It would've been great to see Bill and Naomi at odds in the courtroom and Tomas intertwined. I am praying that GV's character causes tension in the hospital with Ted and other doctors. I want to see Dani open up her modeling agency or slink over to ChelseaKat and cause a ruckus with Chelsea as Dani tries to take over. And Y&R/B&B boardroom drama is boring because we have idiot writers in charge of both shows who tell us versus showing us. Hell, at this stage, they might as well plug a scenario into Gemini and let it devise a good business story for both shows.

I am on episode 4 (now), and I am locked in. Yes, I appreciate the show for the smut it provides, but at its core, I do appreciate a show that allows us (gay men) to openly show affection in all forms. I think I am on the train of Scott/Kip v. Ilya/Shane. Scott is like my dream man--gentle and kind with me but very masculine and rough in his job. God, send me a hot hockey player. 😂😭

BTG: To flesh the characters out more (Naomi, Jacob, Shanice) while toning some down (Eva and Leslie), and give us some workplace drama. I am tired of soaps talking about work and not showing it. The other soaps just need to get back to normalcy. Just clean house and get back to the basics and we'll add additional hopes along with way b/c I've lost hope for the other four soaps. Especially, the Bell soaps.

Meh. They really gotta cease doing murders on X-Mas. Zoe "killing" Anthony is stupid. And all that peace that Chrissie supposedly made upon being released was pointless.