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That's good to hear because I'm really enjoying OC a lot this season too. Really, OC and NYC have a lot of the same going right for themselves in terms of their tone and focus.

The ratings aren't good, but I think that has less to do with the show than it does with the promotion of the show. The 'Moldavian Massacre' happened with the RH franchises as a whole once Russell Armstrong killed himself, but RHONYC has had next to no promotion this season, and lord knows why, the trailers were epic and the episodes themselves have been satisfying. Does anyone know offhand what the OC ratings are like this season?

I find the ratings for NYC so disappointing because I am loving this season. For me there is a good balance of light moments and drama. I would absolutely jump ship if Jill Zarin returned. I find the ratings for NYC so disappointing because I am loving this season. For me there is a good balance of light moments and drama. I would absolutely jump ship if Jill Zarin returned. If I were Joe I'd want my sentencing over with. Why not have all the bad news at once?

I am loving OC this season, so many great ingredients have come together: a likeable new woman (Lizzie), the maturing OG of the OC (Vicki), the crumbling bitch (Tamra), the classy one (Heather) and the one whose nuts (Shannon). It's about damn time Tamra's ass got exposed. Ever since she dared tangle with Jeana Keough with her "cyst and deceased" letter she has been dead to me. Loving Vicki's storyline this year, she is clearly devoted to her children, her grandson and her career. She seems way more relaxed, way less tense than last season, Gretchen (and that leach Slade) going was just what this franchise needed. Lizzie had many cute scenes. Shannon is crazy. Like, insane, Southern California crazy. She actually takes her kids to get crystal energy massages and all that crap? And of course when the going gets tough, she breaks down and goes to a real doctor for a stress test. It was bizarre to see her ponder the state of her marriage when it seems like she and her husband just can't stand each other. Next week with Heather at her most imperious looks amazing.

Updated: she's recovering fine in hospital. She was shot in the shoulder.

In RHOV news... Mia Claman, the heinous daughter of Jody Claman, was shot in the back multiple times during a drive by shooting. Police confirm the shooting was gang related and that Claman was not the intended victim, the man she was with was and that he is known to police. No suspects have been arrested.

Kim Richards was only relevant in season one when she was a messy alcoholic. Since then, she has been absolutely useless. But like the worst pests she will not leave. Kyle knows she's absolutely screwed without Kim to bolster how she's the 'good' sister. Christine Chiu has some dodgy breast implants going on there...and for a plastic surgeon, her husband's face looks like a wax candle nearing its end. I just don't see the upcoming RHOBH season going well. I hope Lisa gets whatever deal she wants, she deserves it.

I felt the same way, I wish there had been more British women. Caroline Stanbury was never what she's pretending she was. It Girl? Please. Tamara Beckwith she is not. Caprice is great, she doesn't take herself seriously.

I have always said: if Lisa goes, I go. And I suspect I won't be the only one who adopts that position. That said, I don't think she's leaving BH, they'll make a deal, keenly aware that, without her, there is no show.

Between the implants and the weave/wig/whatever she is in Traci Bingham territory of stupidity.

Lynne Curtin of RHOC gets the award for worst mother: her daughter did porn to pay for implants and a nose job. And the other one is a tattoo covered pinup dubbed "Suttin Suicide" http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2641971/Former-Real-Housewives-star-Lynne-Curtin-shocked-discover-daughter-Alexa-did-porn-pay-plastic-surgery.html

Joan, at 81, in Cannes. Happy Birthday to the most glamorous woman in the world.

+1. We are absolutely on the same page when it comes to NYC. I have always been a LuAnn fan, but she is a freakin' delight this season.

All I can say is after watching/enduring Barbara's last show...Connie Chung looks absolutely fabulous.

Yes! That's exactly how I see it. They were both at fault in this instance!

Now there's a girl with a great sense of humour. Love it.

I really hope Lisa quits RHOBH so that I don't have to endure another season of BH with Kyle, Kim and Brandi...

LuAnn is rocking it this season. I've always loved her, and this season I love her even more. Poor Sonja has lost the plot. She needs her finances sorted and to be put on an allowance and not have access to credit cards. She needs managing.

+1. I agree with you on every count. LuAnn is the MVP of this season. She is a delight to watch, she makes every scene she's in good.

I am with you on the host. He seemed to be gunning for Gina. It's weird to see a host be like that. Andy does that with Lisa every year at the BH reunions and I always wonder why. Andrea was smirking, but going in on Gina accomplished nothing in terms of Andrea being proven correct. Andrea is still a harpy with bad teeth. Yes, Season 2 was confirmed this past week by Arena/FoxTel. I'd like to see Lydia dropped over Andrea, because at least Andrea can go toe to toe with Gina (failing hard mind you) while Lydia is just too stupid to comprehend what's going on. I'm not too sure about a new girl, I don't want to see Melbourne go down the road Vancouver did and die a grisly death.

RH of Melbourne This was a bad episode for Gina because she was exposed. She tried very hard to tap dance around the truth and rely on semantics, but it didn't fly. The video footage just didn't lie. That said, it did not support Andrea's ridiculous behaviour because nothing Gina was exposed for saying had anything to do with Andrea. Therefore, Andrea remains a totally humourless bitch and an absolute psychopath obsessed with Gina and hatred of her. Chyka was fab as usual, but far more restrained this episode. Interesting that she acknowledged how she, for certain, the 6th housewife. I really hope she comes back for the next season because she's been a delight to watch. Jackie was fiery and dramatic this episode, but I do think she was a bit over the top with walking off the set. Lydia IS an idiot, just because she can fly a plane doesn't make her intelligent. And she's not hot. Janet remains a firm favourite of mine because she is very straightforward and cops to everything. Sure, she 'gilds the lily'...but she didn't let anyone try and pull a fast one. Thrilled there will be a season 2, I hope the cast doesn't change one bit.

OC This week was dull. I really don't care to see Vicki and Brooks together because he is Kentucky Fried Sleaze and it just doesn't reflect well on her. Tamra and Eddie...manufactured storyline. Unnecessary. Tamra is in her late 40s now? She's past it for a baby, we all know this. It isn't quite as preposterous as Countess LuAnn trying for a baby with Jacques, but it's pretty ridiculous. Lizzie. She has a business, kids, a normal house, a bolder personality...we'll see how she does, too early to call. Heather and Terry are a great match. They can be such delightful snobs together with their matching sweaters. Shannon and her husband and their crumbling marriage. Yeah, I just don't care. That St Regis Hotel at Monarch Bay has gotten so much promotion courtesy of RHOOC over the year's it's crazy. I miss the incredible Jeana. And struggling Tammy. And crazy ass Quinn. And debt ridden Lynne. And shady ass Laurie. Those women popped, in some of the best/worst ways.

Agree to disagree. Neither one of them is blameless.

Ramona reacted to something. Therefore she was provoked by something. That something was Kristin. She provoked her. It doesn't excuse Ramona's behaviour, throwing anything at anyone is not okay ever. However, let's not pretend Ramona went after Kristin at the lake throwing her glass without provocation because Kristin did approach her, not the other way around. Kristin's mistake was thinking Ramona would have a sense of humour about the harmless splashing. But she didn't.

I'll trash it every chance I get because it was pathetic and such a chore to watch. I'm surprised Andy let it air as it was, so boring and tired and unglamorous. How the mighty have fallen. Wendy Williams is excellent promotion for the HW shows. If Bravo is putting her show on a blacklist they should think again because Wendy has a multi year renewal across the US and international exposure via BET. Her show is bigger than theirs and her audience is their audience.