Everything posted by Paul Raven
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BTG: June 2025 Discussion Thread
Absolutely. And the fact that when they show the exterior establishing shot, its huge. Among my many objections are the books in the bookcases.They look like something out of the 19th century-all leather bound classics. Some stacks of glassy fashion/photography bools would make more sense. I hate when floorplans of houses make no sense. In both the Richardson and Hamilton house, people enter the living room via a corridor. So you come in the front door and walk through a narrow hallway? Huh? I found Nicole's house bland but at least it appears more spacious-especially with the adjoining office. Yes indeed. I like that Jacob is dressed more basically/conservatively compared to say Andre or Martin. More befitting the character-just ordinary shirts/pants. And he still manages to look hot. I also like that they are using proper police procedures eg the evidence required to snare Leslie. Makes for interesting story. Unlike other shows where DNA is released in an episode, confessions are taken w/o proper warnings etc We've gone from Turtleneck Ted to Turtlehead Ted.
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BTG: June 2025 Discussion Thread
Well it seems Marcel got half a mill from someone. He's not very smart if he had it deposited into his own bank account where the likes of Smitty could find it easily.
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Y&R: June 2025 Discussion Thread
it seems like Josh just gets random ideas and loosely pieces them together. Like he watches Murder on the Orient express and thinks ...mmm....let's put the characters on a train. Imagine what Henry Slesar would have done with a story like this? I wonder at what point it was decided AD was Cane? Certainly not from the start. It's not like it is any sort of shocking twist. As much as i disliked Cane/DG the story would have had more resonance had Goddard returned. To have all these familiar characters looking at a stranger and exclaiming 'Cane' doesn't work.
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Y&R: June 2025 Discussion Thread
I get the feeling all we will see of the chateau is the plastic maze/garden area. Guests seem to be sleeping on the train? We have a train bedroom set, which seems odd. To be fair the train set is well done. If Cane/AD went to all the trouble of purchasing/furnishing this train and chateau-down to having AD logos included, why would he be returning to GC at any time to hang out at Society? This story makes zero sense. Putting Lily back on the Cane merry go round is pointless. Will other women eg Sally/Phyllis now find Cane desirable also?
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BTG: June 2025 Discussion Thread
The Hamilton living room is the worst set on the show. It's cramped and ugly and the wall sconces are always on -why? I guess the idea is that it is deliberately tacky to illustrate that Hayley is out of her depth trying to fit into Fairmont Gates but it was mentioned she used a designer who surely would have steered her in a better direction. Wouldn't Bill object to the glitzy decor? He would have some idea on what was appropriate. He would indulge Hayley so far but would he want business associates/friends to come visit. It looks like a Las Vegas hotel room.
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The soap opera writers' discussion
Another article about Robert Cenedella https://neglectedbooks.com/?p=5181 June 21 2018 A Little to the East, by Robert Cenedella (1963) Robert Cenedella spent a lifetime writing, but A Little to the East was the one and only novel he ever published. Cenedella began writing short stories as a high school English teacher, got some of them published in popular magazines, then moved to New York City and into radio. By the late 1940s, he was on the board of the Radio Writers Guild, which was dealing with the first impacts of blacklisting. For his efforts to oppose the witch hunt, he became a victim himself, only managing to get back in as a television writer in the late 1950s. In the early 1960s, he followed the dream of many a scriptwriter and threw himself into a novel set in a town based on his hometown of Milford, Massachusetts. A Little to the East hinges on a murder trial, a reluctant defense attorney, and an even more reluctant defendant. Grieving for his recently-deceased wife, Joe Monti, struggling to make his way as an Italian American in a town run by its WASP establishment, agrees to take the case of Martin McQuaid, a young man who had clearly killed his wife in the heat of passion. McQuaid wants to plead guilty to first-degree murder, apparently in an attempt to commit suicide by state. As a Catholic, Monti finds McQuaid’s motive sinful, and the relationship between attorney and client becomes another of the complicating factors that raise A Little to the East above the level of a simple pot-boiler: A Little to the East earned relatively positive reviews when it came out. The New York Times’ reviewer wrote, “The characters he has created are entirely believable, particularly the first and second generation Italian-Americans whom he understands so well. By the kind of fictional magic that is all too rare, he makes the story of Joe Monti seem a matter of great importance. The result is a book as provocative as it is convincing–a ‘first novel’ that should win an enthusiastic audience.” Cenedella also gained some attention as a novelty, being a first author at the ripe age of 53, with both a grandson and an infant son (from a second marriage). He soon returned to television, however, writing mainly for soap operas, including “Another World,” “The Guiding Light,” “The Secret Storm,” and “The Doctors.” “If a writer ever says soap operas are crap, or mysteries or romances are crap, as in I’m just doing this crap to make money,” he once said, “well, crap is what they’ll write. It’s not the category that makes it art, it’s the care you put into writing it.” Cenedella was a firm believer in discipline as the key to writing. As his son recalls in a 2010 tribute, the only writing advice he had to offer was: “Seat of the pants to seat of the chair.” He lived and died by this principle. After he died in Tucson, Arizona at the age of 90 in 2002, his son, helping with the estate, went to clear out his father’s office: “Then my eye fell on the barrel of his Selectric. There was a piece of paper in the typewriter. I looked at it. It was page 27 of a new novel. My Mom said he’d been in the office the day before he died, typing away.” A Little to the East is available in electronic format on the Open Library: Link.
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As The World Turns Discussion Thread
Natalie left in Nov 77 so Judith must have had a 2 yr contract? Which I guess was unusual as it seemed 3 yr was pretty standard in those days. Or maybe she really wanted to leave so they allowed it? Natalie was popular and there seemed to be plenty of story left, so the 2 yr contract seems the most likely, as her exit seemed quite sudden.
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Y&R: June 2025 Discussion Thread
The explanation of how cane managed to secretly amass this fortune should be interesting. And no Aussie accent? Will they bother to address that? And will Mattie and Charlie have any relevance,apart from a passing comment? All the previous regimes burdened these characters with children that Josh ignores-Christian, Johnny,Katie,Mattie,Charlie,Scott,Fen, Faith,Reed,Noah. Wonder how Daniel Goddard feels about Cane returning as a major player when he was dropped and not asked to return?
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Y&R: June 2025 Discussion Thread
So Y&R lures a popular actor from days and has the chance to create a new character with no baggage from past storylines who could provide some freshness for a show burdened with long running stale characters. May I introduce myself? Brooks Prentiss-Victoryou must remember-you tried to steal my father's company? But what do they do? bring back a character that hung around for years in a series of awful stories until they finally bit the bullet and dropped him. Now it's back to the same old same old. Hopefully this is the move that gets Josh Griffith fired.
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Y&R: June 2025 Discussion Thread
They are all acting so amazed at the surroundings. Like aren't they millionaires? Shouldn't all this be pretty normal for them? They could head off to the South of France or wherever, whenever they wanted. And these corporations that they are forever discussing seem to be forgotten.
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Y&R: June 2025 Discussion Thread
So Y&R wisely let viewers catch their breath after the glamour and excitement of the Dumas story to a more traditional style-2 characters sitting around for the whole episode talking; 1. Daniel and Danny focusing on his new musical interest and outlook on life.. Danny is reminding me of how Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley look out of Kiss makeup. Time to lighten up on the hair dye,Mike. 2. Weepy Mariah telling Tessa AGAIN she couldn't possibly reveal what she has done because it is something soooo terrible. 3.Chelsea and Adam talking AGAIN about where they are in their lives before sexing on the office sofa. RIVETING Then in a shocking twist Danny and Daniel went to Crimson Lights after dining at Society. Is the coffee at Society so bad?? Then after Daniel spots Tessa, Danny just walks out. So much for an after dinner coffee! I skipped the Adam/Chelsea chatfest. But is it possible that the name Aristotle Dumas was not mentioned for the first time in months?
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One Life to Live Tribute Thread
1976 Pt 6 Karen complains to Jenny that Anna seems to resent her. Jenny assures her that Anna’s only concerned about Larry’s future, but warns Karen that their affair shouldn’t become obvious. Anna is concerned about Larry’s growing infatuation with Karen, as she is very aware of Karen’s preoccupation with material things and her desire for a life of ease and wealth. Cathy delightedly announces to Tony that she’s going to have a baby, insisting that she doesn’t need medical confirmation; she knows she’s pregnant from the symptoms. She adds that Dr. Vernon has dismissed her as a patient, that she’s no longer in need of therapy. But Will tells Tony this isn’t true, and Cathy’s deep-rooted problems are so complex that a pregnancy can’t wipe them away. When Tony insists that she at leasts sees adoctor for pre natal care Cathy books the appointment, but the doctor is delayed and she impatiently leaves, returning home to assure Tony that the doctor checked her thoroughly and found her pregnant and healthy. Cathy wastes no time in telling a stricken Pat that she’s pregnant. Viki goes into premature labor and has a tiny baby boy. Fearfully she and Joe await the test results from the Llanview Hospital cardiologist, and their hopes are overwhelmingly realized when Jim happily informs them the baby’s heart is completely normal. They decide to name their son, who, appropriately, was born on his late grandfather’s birthday, Kevin Lord Riley. When Jim tells Tony he’s learned that Cathy never kept her obstetrical appointment, Tony angrily confronts her with her pattern of lies. She bitterly retorts that it’s all his fault; he keeps pressuring her to take his orders and give up her independence. When he orders her to make another appointment immediately, she insists shell do what she wants when she wants, and he can’t force her to conform to what he wants her to be. But she does go in for the tests, and later meets Dorian, who impulsively buys her a christening dress for the expected child. Cathy is stunned to return home and learn that Tony’s heard from the - doctor’s office and her tests are negative. Insisting that there’s been a lab error, she returns for a second test, and when this too is negative, she hysterically insists that the doctor is deceiving them. Tony tries to comfort her, and persuades her to start seeing Dr. Vernon again. Upon returning the christening dress to Dorian, Cathy is bitter to learn Viki has a healthy child, and she remarks that Viki always gets what she wants. Cathy runs into Joe at the nursery the next day and sees his delight in his son. She discusses her feelings about Megan and illegitimacy with Dr. Vernon shortly after, and when Viki’s name comes up she admits her gall at seeing Viki’s baby, not her own, making Joe so happy, and shrieks, ““Wouldn’t you want a woman like that dead?” Cathy then takes her irrational hatred out on Pat by accusing her of lying about Brian, and she later frightens, Brian by evicting him from Tony’s Place after acting strange and somehow sinister. Pat assures him that Cathy’s strange behavior is due to the disappointment about the baby. Dr. Vernon asks Cathy why she visited Viki after expressing such hatred toward her. Cathy, who has told Tony she went because she acknowledges her own responsibility in Megan’s death (she allowed Viki to be with Megan), refuses to discuss it with Dr. Vernon beyond noting that she and Viki were once good friends. Tony is furious to discover that Dorian has paid off his mortgage on Tony’s Place in full and he can’t change it—anyone can pay off anyone else’s bank loans. Tony, knowing that Dorian does nothing unless she expects to realize something from it, goes straight to Llanfair and informs her that her “Lady Bountiful” gesture is not appreciated and he will make the monthly payments to her now, until the debt is paid in full. Karen sublets a friend’s apartment, explaining to Larry that they now have a place to be alone together. When he asks why she insists upon concealing their growing relationship, she says she just wants to keep it between them while it is still so new. She is upset when Anna unexpectedly comes upon them kissing, knowing that Anna isn’t delighted with her involvement with Larry. But Larry tells Anna that Karen is the first woman he’s been involved with since Merideth’s death and she makes him happy. Realizing that Larry is asking her to give Karen the benefit of the doubt, Anna implies that she understands. Vince, under the impression that Karen and Larry are just good friends, brings a buddy to meet Karen at Tony’s Place, where she’s waitressing, but is disconcerted to see the not-just-friends kiss she gives Larry when he walks in. Still not mincing his words, Vince tells Larry that a relationship between second cousins isn’t appropriate. As Larry is older than Karen, it’s up to him to keep things under control. “Karen is snide when Larry is deeply involved in Viki's birth and testing and points out to Jenny that he’s not Viki’s doctor. Reminded by Jenny of Viki’s medical situation and her former relationship to Larry, Karen retracts her bitter words and purchases an outlandishly expensive gift for the baby, saying that the gift to this baby particularly can’t be chintzy.
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As The World Turns Discussion Thread
1976 Pt 4 Lisa’s hopes that her life with Grant will be serene once more are shattered when Joyce has a bad smashup in a snowstorm and is hospitalized in critical condition.The police report indicates that she drove through a _ guardrail intentionally. She is taken right in for surgery, as she is bleeding internally. Joyce survives. the procedure, and Lisa tells Grant, who was immediately summoned to the hospital, that Joyce has survived both the custody case and the surgery—it’s time for them to think of themselves and their own marriage now. She bitterly notes that Joyce has been an intrusion in their lives for two whole years and that enough is enough. But Joyce won’t eat and doesn’t respond to medication; apparently she has given up, Bob feels, and is ready to die. Learning that Grant rushed right to Joyce upon Bob’s call, Lisa angrily informs him she has had it and their marriage is over. When Grant protests that Joyce has nothing left and he must do this, Lisa is firm—he had to choose and he did. But it is Bob, not Grant, who finally manages to break through Joyce’s apathy. He explains how the poem “Look to This Day for It Is Life” helped his wife, Jen, face the possibility of a fatal illness, and Joyce decides that she can face at least a day at a time. But Lisa and Grant find themselves even further apart when Grant chooses to view Lisa’s dinner date with Dick as a resumption of an old romance instead of the sympathetic help Dick had intended, and he accuses Lisa of using Dick to rouse his jealousy. At Bob’s request, Ellen reluctantly visits Joyce in the hospital, and is amazed to hear herself asking Joyce to stay with her family while she recuperates. Joyce finds that Ellen’s younger daughter, Dawn, comes to her for advice; like all teenagers, Dawn feels her own mother couldn’t possibly be right. Betsy is depressed when her birthday arrives and Dan is still in South America, but her hopes are realized when he arrives during the party. Over Mary’s apprehension, Brian accepts a job as a ranch manager, feeling the country atmosphere would be good for Teddy, but Mary’s fears are realized when Brian is killed by a falling tractor. Grant flies to Laramie to find Mary, shocked with grief, in fear that she’ll now lose custody of Teddy. Grant assures her that can’t happen, Teddy is her son no matter what now, and he assumes all the details of Brian’s affairs. | Grant leaves her calmer and ready to look for a career of her own. But Mary soon calls Lisa in a desperate state because she has lost her job before it even started. When Lisa has Grant call back, Mary insists she has loads of offers, but a friend tells Grant that Mary’s pride forced her to say that; she feels her precarious financial position reflects badly on her dead husband. Lisa and Grant help make arrangements for Mary and Teddy to move to Qakdale, where Mary can work at Jay’s company. Lisa warns Joyce not to interfere with them. Lisa returns. to work at the bookstore, as Sandy is modeling to pay off Norman’s debts. She is stunned to overhear a woman from out of town angrily accuse her daughter-in-law, Natalie, of being responsible for two tragedies. Worried for Tom, Lisa tells Dick Natalie told them her husband, Ralph, died of a drug overdose and would he check on it? Dick soon finds that Ralph committed suicide when he discovered that his wife and his brother Luke were having an affair. Lisa doesn’t let on to Natalie that she’s discovered the truth about her. She does confide in Tom’s father, Bob, Lisa’s first husband, and they decide Natalie must tell her husband herself. Natalie, who has responded to Jay’s overtures by making him her confidant in this matter, asks for a few days. She eventually does tell Tom, who asks why she lied. She replies she felt it was the right thing at that time. Tom talks it out with his father and decides he loves his wife enough to forgive and forget, but returns home to find her out. Natalie has gone to Jay’s apartment, seeking sympathy and consolation, knowing that Carol is away for the day. Jay’s cryptic remarks that she brought it upon herself provoke angry words, but they soon wind up passionately in each other’s arms. Natalie returns to find her husband waiting to pick up the pieces. After promising him there will never be .any secrets between them, she finds her wallet ‘missing, and moments later Jay calls to tell her he has it; it had fallen on the couch. But Tom has picked up the extension phone and hears the whole conversation. Natalie, confronted, tells Tom she went to Jay only because she thought Tom had left her for good, but then she bitterly informs Tom that she doesn’t need ‘him and he hasn’t made her happy. Tom angrily gives her twenty-four hours to clear out. Tom goes to Jay’s office looking for blood, but is brought back to his senses when Jay asks if Tom wants to destroy Carol as well as him. Jay later tells Natalie his wife is not to know what has happened. Natalie remarks that it’s now Jay’s turn to know what it’s like to live with a lie. Tom explains to Bob what has happened, but adds that he’s going to keep it all to himself for Carol’s sake. Natalie goes home to Kilborne, where her sister-in law Margaret tells her she and Luke have successfully reconciled and everyone knows it. When Luke rejects her phone call, Natalie is at loose ends. Tom, finally completely disgusted with Jay both professionally and personally, informs Jay he can find another lawyer. But when Carol pleads Jay’s case, Tom gives in to her and returns. Jay is now bidding on government contracts, and Tom warns him that government bidders are subject to investigation. Jay says he’ll be ready. Learning that Jay and Carol are considering. adoption, Tom angrily accuses Jay of using a child as a gambit to bind Carol to him. But Jay explains that it is Carol who wants a child, and if that’s what she wants, that’s what she’s going to get.
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BTG: June 2025 Discussion Thread
Yes, maybe play a few beats before they hit the sheets. At first Madison is in medical mode and rebuffs Chelsea. Chelsea is then super embarrassed, Next time Madison, realizing she was a bit brusque tries to make amends but this time Chelsea covers, saying Madison misunderstood. But Madison persists and they agree to catch up. Then a date at Uptown and so on. Madison makes some moves, but Chelsea still hurting from the last break up, feels awkward and doesn't respond. And so on....some build up.
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Y&R: June 2025 Discussion Thread
Of course we will see the chateau-this story is going to run for weeks. I guess the train set/bedroom might be used if a character decides to leave and stays on the train? Who knows? Ignoring the nonsensical foundation of the story, why do they always overreach? Why not have Dumas in the Hamptons or Miami? Ditch the train set and the maze for starters. Seems like it's Josh trying to replicate Agatha Christie/Hitchcock etc. I wonder how Amelia feels about being excluded or will Victoria join them down the road? I wonder if the Newman's will decide to pop over to their Tuscan villa while in Europe?You know the one they visited ONCE for Victoria's wedding?
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Y&R: June 2025 Discussion Thread
So it looks like various characters will be seen on the train set as they are transported separately to the shat-oh. There is no sense of motion-I didn't realize they were supposed to be moving. If there was scenery passing by through the windows... but there is just blank space. And the outdoor maze set looks as fake as hell. Why do they keep trying to tell these far out stories on $1.98 budget???
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Y&R: June 2025 Spoilers
I really can't believe AD will be Cane. If it's true that story is DOA. Or is Josh going to give a past or present character an unknown son?
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Y&R: June 2025 Discussion Thread
Yea the chunky necklace looks like it's competing with, not complementing the outfit. Very Helen Roper.
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Y&R: June 2025 Discussion Thread
Poor Josh Griffith, thinking he's writing a bargain basement Knives Out and not a soap. I'm surprised they haven't resurrected the crappy CGI backgrounds they were using for a minute. The next month or so is going to be torture.
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BTG: June 2025 Discussion Thread
Seriously, Smitty looked like he was reporting for the college newspaper. And for a supposedly crack investigative reporter he showed his hand way too quickly by going for the kill with the Joey connection. #no finesse. Andre-handsome, stylish, worldy, wealthy. Having a hot secret sexcapade with a fiery older woman-attracted to a dowdy basic nurse .Me thinks not.
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BTG: June 2025 Discussion Thread
Well there has to be some complication in this relationship to make it interesting as time goes by. Madison is going to be the one with a secret of some sort-maybe she is married/separated to another guy/girl, has a drug problem etc I know it is true to life but I hate that men deciding it's time to be married and choosing a ring is seen as romantic.I find it a bit controlling. Surely this needs to be a mutual decision and not some outdated notion that women should feel blessed that a man has chosen her.
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Y&R: June 2025 Discussion Thread
That was so touching, I started to cry. Josh must be so proud to have fathered such a sensitive and eloquent son.
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One Life to Live Tribute Thread
Back to 1976 Pt 5 Cathy has been irritable and vague lately, worrying Tony, who has no idea that her mental condition has deteriorated to the point where she visits the infant department of the local department store, looking at clothes for her daughter, and spends more and more time dreaming of Megan’s future as if the child were still alive. But Cathy finally admits she can’t handle the situation and agrees to see Dr. Will Vernon, the new psychiatrist at Llanview Hospital. Joe runs into Cathy in Will’s reception area, and she tells him about a fantasy she’s had about their Megan’s sweet-sixteen party. As she relates the event in vivid detail, Joe is overcome with painful emotions and insists she stop it. He then spills out the truth—that even if there had been no accident, Megan would never have had a ‘sweet-sixteen party; she would not have lived long enough. Cathy bitterly berates her father for taking it upon himself to deny her and Joe the knowledge of Megan’s condition, insisting that if they had known they might have somehow been able to find a cure.Cathy refuses to forgive her father for this, despite Tony’s pleas that this bitterness can’t help her or Megan. Jenny, who has finally let Peter persuade her to begin to function again by working as a nurse at the Free Clinic, insists she can’t make any binding plans yet but will live right now one day at a time. Jenny is taken aback when her sister Karen shows up on the Craig doorstep, explaining that she caught a ride on the private plane of a jet-set friend and thought she’d stop for a visit. Actually, Karen has arrived by bus and hitchhiked from the terminal, which Jenny soon discovers when her ride drops by with Karen’s address book, left in the’ car. Karen defensively admits that she wasn’t in Europe but had failed to make a living as an entertainer here in the States and was living in a commune. Karen is reluctant to follow Jenny’s suggestion that she look for a job, preferring to just relax and size up Llanview, the Craigs, and particularly Anna Craig’s brother, the very eligible Dr. Larry Wolek. When Larry bitterly learns that the hospital board has voted for Peter to head the new wing, he points out that Dorian knew she would win—after all, without the Ford Foundation money the hospital would be in trouble, and Dorian now controls those funds and the board knows it. When he announces he’s resigning from the hospital and will set up. a private practice, Karen enthusiastically offers support. Larry notes that he'll never go anywhere at the hospital now that Dorian is holding the purse strings, but adds that someday he’ll have his revenge on her. Tony is furious to discover that instead of keeping her appointments with Dr. Vernon, Cathy has used this time to visit Joe frequently, commiserating with him over their mutual tragedy, and has even gone to Viki to promise her she’ll make her sorry she was ever born. Tony warns Cathy that she’s become obsessed since learning the truth about Megan and is . risking their marriage by shutting him out of her life. Cathy comes close to revealing the truth about the reason she hustled him into marriage when she rejects his help and his concern, but manages to remember how she could still lose Tony to Pat and tearfully insists it was because she loves him. Naomi Vernon’s asthma is worsening, and Larry urges Will to hire a full-time nurse.Jenny, offered the position, accepts it, to the delight of Brad Vernon, Naomi and Will’s son. When Brad receives a bid to play in a tennis tournament, Naomi fears this will worsen things, as Will feels Brad’s on his way to becoming a tennis bum. But Will tells his son not so— not if Brad’s really willing to make a career out of the sport and concentrate on it, not just dabble in it. But Brad decides against the tennis tour and tells his father he’s considering taking students right here in Llanview and possibly returning to school.Will is pleased with this unusually mature (for Brad) plan and wonders if Jenny’s not the reason why Brad’s suddenly more sensible and realistic. When Viki suddenly goes into premature labor, she’s rushed to the hospital, where her condition is brought under control. After a few days she’s allowed to go home with full care on the understanding ‘that she and Joe have separate rooms for the balance of her confinement. To show a new leaf of family solidarity and concern, Dorian sends her own housekeeper, Felicia, to care for Viki. Viki agrees to this, not for Dorian’ s sake but so as not to hurt Felicia by rejecting her. Karen decides that a private practice for Larry Wolek could be the perfect answer to her own search for money and comfort. She throws herself into grandiose and pretentious plans for setting up his office, horrifying Larry, who not only can’t afford these things but realizes that the kind of patients he’s planning to have would be frightened off by them. Karen tells him he should change his thoughts and try to attract wealthy patients, but she wisely agrees to simplify the plans and make them fit his needs. As they spend more and more time together on the project, Karen manages to show herself in only the most attractive light, and soon she and Larry become lovers.