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I hate to say that Joanna Krupa has a point, but... she has a point. Lisa looks ridiculously divorced from reality with that post.

You lost me at "hot boyfriend." Seriously though, and in answer to your question... It's all subjective. I have been watching RHONY since day one and did I unanimously like Luann throughout those 9 seasons? No, ofc not. These women show so much bad alongside their good sides. However, if I supported Lu this season even through a dodgy marriage... it's because I find her more likeable than someone like Carole or Bethenny. I think Lu was tired of being lonely, and desperate to get married, that she jumped on this D'Agostino relationship like the last chance saloon. And now she's licking her wounds. I could laugh at her and crow about how pathetic she is, but... eh. I like her and feel for her. I don't know if you watched RHONY last year, and maybe then, too, you thought Bethenny and Carole were fantastic, but I thought they were awful. Luann was kind of minding her own business and doing her Tom thing offscreen, but these two decided to attack her from the get-go. They were really mean and spiteful, and since then I cannot find their putdowns entertaining. Not to mention, the way they went after Jules about her anorexia, goading her almost to the point where they seemed to want her to fall off the wagon. I found them smug and pretentious and cruel -- all the things you didn't, I guess. I don't really want to see a third straight season of Luann being torn apart while Andy Cohen's BFFs and the housewife with producer powers on the show stack the deck against her. On another note, IA about what you said regarding the HWs who voted for Trump. I also agree about LVP in that I am hoping she gets more real this coming season. I can't do another season where she hides her pot-stirring and gives Rinna and Erika yet another reason to lord it over her. In other news, Yolanda's book 'Believe Me' comes out today. Tamara Tattles has a great write-up of the costs associated with her crazed health journey. It is... insane. This OC trailer is incredible. Bravo should have scrapped 98% of the first half of this season and just done 8 episodes of all of this. Iceland looks like it was incredible. Love the two Norsemen in wigs duking it out interspersed with footage of the ladies going at it! OC's editors are always the best. P.S.: Meghan is the worst! So insufferable. P.P.S.: I really like the Brandi-Stephanie-Cary trio on Dallas. *hides*

YAAASSSS @Nothin'ButAttitude @juniorz1 ! Miami Tawk! I miss Miami too. ITA that the essence of Miami, Cuban-American Miami, was captured in S2, especially thanks to breakout star Mama Elsa who, true to her name, had something kind and nurturing about her. The cast was almost perfect imo except for Stinky Ladyparts Joanna Krupa. She stuck out like a sore thumb as a fake Miamian with her fake SLs. The only reason I tolerated that vapid, ugly-on-the-inside escort girl was because of Romain lol. The battle of the weddings in S3 was definitely the cause of its downfall -- the show became only about that highly contrived SL. Alexia and her family drama saved S3 for me, because at least it was authentic. In fact, Alexia remains to this day my fave in the Miami cast. But losing Ana and Karent and reducing Marysol to FOH diminished MIA and is Cast of Thousands big city magic.

I'm laughing so hard because I doubt any of the women on FelonJersey are that upset about racism or abiding by the tenets of the law! We all know DS is a thug with a coke-whore past. She has made anti-gay slurs, and she isn't alone! I think it is a convenient excuse because a couple of the ladies may be threatened by Danielle's presence on the show, and her taking over their HW spot.

I think Andy loves a good bitch -- and loves HWs that he can control or manipulate. Kyle is a natural follower, so that's why he thinks she's great (he also has a soft spot for the fragile Kim). Erika is, in his eyes, the blonde reincarnation of Erica Kane lol. LVP has her own direction and her own agenda, and if anybody is calling the shots, it is her. Hence why he and she seem to have a more distant relationship in recent years. The same goes with Nene, and with Kenya. I would add that on the OC, Andy also loves Vicki. In fact Vicki, Tamra and Shannon is where it's at on the show (an assessment I would agree with -- there is no way Kelly, Lydia, Meghan and Peggy could carry the show on its own). It is clear that Vicki's loneliness and need to be loved means she can be manipulated, and now needs the OC franchise more than ever in order to rebuild her image and her business.

I think Dorit had a girl crush on Erika from the get-go. She really wanted Erika to notice her and acknowledge her. Last year at Reunion when Erika complimented her on her swimwear-design career, she positively lit up. I'm sad that she's turned against LVP, though, as I thought her marriage to PK would keep her tight with the Vanderpump/Todds. More shocking to me is the fact that Erika would have a fallout with KYLE -- the HW with a producing credit on this show! Erika has been slowly cultivating that friendship for over two years! She made it clear when she invited Kyle to Mykonos but ignored the President and Secretary of her Fan Club (Eileen, Rinna) how highly she valued that friendship over the worship of her minions. Rinna must be thrilled beyond belief by this state of affairs. Unlike the always-kind and incisive @DaytimeFan , I just cannot warm to or enjoy Rinna anymore. I find her a cowardly loudmouth with zero credibility. She's vicious, too, but she covers it up with a lot of knee-slapping and laughter. Basically she is a bully's sidekick -- piggybacking on whoever she thinks is the winning HW in order to get her digs in on somebody else.

@Cheap21 YG's decision not to drop the better singles for Taeyang's cb was a bad idea. I love Taeyang's solo work (Eyes Nose Lips is ICONIC) and as usual YG messed it up. Still, I love reading TY's interviews, he is really proud of this album, and the songs have meaning for him. @Taoboi BoA is considered to be Korea's Beyoncé and is also huge in Japan. She's done some bops! I also like that she doesn't do cutesy little-girl stuff but instead puts together interesting performances which challenge her (she is pretty great dancer btw). EXO had a repackage cb and Power is the single they chose to promote. I'm not crazy about the song in the context of their comic-book style mv, but when they perform it live with that awesome choreo, I enjoy it 1000% times more! Here is their comeback stage from yesterday. Kai's solo dance break is amazing! https://youtu.be/aQB2Z2sIyy0

Totally agree about the Luann interview. And I too hope she gets a nice little something on the UES! Or at the very least, midtown. Here is Sarah Paulson and Elisabeth Moss playing Dorinda and Bethenny I adore Dorinda, so totally support Sarah Paulson's love for her.

And I just found the gif in question!

"QUIET, RADZIVILL!"

Classy move, Radziwill. This is why I can no longer abide Carole. She is spiteful about [!@#$%^&*] like this and holds onto stuff. Her relationship with Adam is now over; surely she can find it in her heart to empathize with Luann? As Bethenny pointed out at Reunion, even when things were at their worst between her and Luann last season, Lu still treated Bethenny, her assistants and everyone else civilly offscreen. I watched the interview and it basically summed up why I love Luann as a HW. She wasn't excessively evasive, even though the questions were prying and in some cases rude with little empathy for her. Maybe Andy was taking his cue from Carole? He doesn't seem to like Luann very much. I wonder why? Erika, Bethenny and Carole seem to be his faves. Maybe because they are always tearing other people down to big themselves up. Do I think Luann married for love AND the show? Probably. And so did that famewhore Tom. She even defended him in the interview saying he wasn't cut out for marriage. At least she didn't play the victim, except to say that she felt sad, which you could see from her demeanour. I also liked that they filmed it at her place in the Hamptons instead of that shitty WWHL studio. If we are getting Carole vs Lu next year, you can bet the deck will be stacked in Carole's favor. Three years ago she got her attack dog, Heather, to go after Luann. Two years ago, Bethenny became that attack dog. With Bethenny be ready to do Carole's dirty work next season?

lol now I feel like a mean person! But IA with @Cheap21 . I like Tinsley as a person, and am happy that she seems to have found a nice, solid guy who is not some social scion or wannabe obsessed with status. But I just don't think she is interesting enough to warrant another season as a HW (FOH at best, and IMO Bravo are missing a trick by not hiring Dale!). And trust me, I understand the need for an Alex type in RHONY to balance out the bitchery and toxicity. I just don't think Tinsley has the relatability, incisiveness or self-awareness of an Alex. Thanks for posting the RHOD clips. I haven't watched OC or Dallas yet, but I want to say that D'Andra is one of the best new housewife additions in a while! Not just because her mom is Tammy Faye Bakker -- D'Andra is a character herself. Her taking LeeAnne to task was honest and direct without being mean, and it rang true of real friendships. Also her scene with that sketchy dead-eyed stepson. She really shows a lot of her life, and I like that a lot. It's not just pink dog food and Cabo. *cough*

I never enjoyed Jaqueline so IMO bringing her back last season was dudsville from the get go. That girl never got the memo that she is not the star of NJ! Anyhoo that's my personal opinion. Even though I hate Bethenny now, her return three seasons ago was electric and really made NYC great again after a boring S6. TBH it was that mix of old and new NY ladies that worked for me. Bethenny vs Heather was riveting! I also agree that Jill needs to return -- and interact with both Bethenny and Ramona, otherwise it's a waste for us viewers. That threesome (+ Luann) made RHONY what it is today. NY seasons 2 and 3 have been showing daily here and, no joke, I have been DVRing it. Not one bad or boring episode! Yes, things got toxic in S3, but in a very real, relatable way... and it ended with the wicked witch Jill being exposed for her crimes. Even then the situation wasn't 100% black and white. It is a very satisfying viewing experience, and the NY Four drove so much story and dynamics. I honestly think they should drop Tinsley and have Jill replace her so that we have Bethenny, Carole, Ramona, Luann, Sonja (possibly), Dorinda and Jill. If Ramona gets fired and Jill doesn't come back full-time, though, I fear NY will become a 43 minute advertisement for Bethenny's Skinnygirl Lunch Meats.

IA balance is key, and believe me, after a toxic couple of seasons, I could do without Rinna on BH stinking up the place with any old accusation she can drum up. The reason I want Gretchen back is that there is something about the bimboish, tacky Gretchen that shakes Tamra to her very core. To the point where she tried to sic her badnewsbear of a son on Gretchen, date-rape style. Peggy isn't really rattling Tamra as much as Tamra recognising that there is nothing going on with OC right now, and she'd better go after the newbie in order to generate a SL. Peggy can't even antagonise Meghan properly, let alone Tamra.

Nope, he won't. And I sort of respect his willingness to stay out of the fray. He doesn't care about any of em, and now he doesn't have to pretend he actually likes any of these people (except David Beador ofc. Eddie loves David).

It boggles the mind why Gretchen was not invited in a Luann-as-FOH role where she essentially appears in all the episodes (as opposed to just one!). Looks to me like Tamra pulled rank (I'm assuming Vicki would have been a-ok with Gretchen's return). I could even have withstood a glimpse of that toad Slade if it meant we got to see Tamra rattled by Gretchen showing up to all the events! Speaking of rattling Heather... Kelly isn't gripping me this season either. Kenya showing up married on RHOA and all the women gossiping about it sounds to me like a strong opening story for this upcoming season. Better than Sheree pretending that Shack Sheree is 'almost' finished, and that She By Sheree actually exists.

As @Nothin'ButAttitude said in his last post, I can respect that! I do think some fans out there do confuse the two tho. OC is such a disappointment this season, i am still shocked the producers let it get to this point. I could tell within two minutes of the first episode that Peggy was not a good fit. The fact that I forgot Meghan would be back says a lot about how little I missed her know-it-all behind. Like you, I had high hopes for Lydia' s return but those have definitely fizzled.

Some fans cannot differentiate between hate and love-to-hate sadly. It's possible to dislike a HW and recognise what she can bring to a franchise. I hate Kim Z but still appreciate what she brought to Atl's first three seasons. OC is a case in point where the bores are clearly hurting the show. As standalones, imo Peggy Lydia and Meghan are unworthy of being called HWs. I just don't give a [!@#$%^&*] about them or their lives. Kenya? After the Matt drama and her wedding and her dynamic with Nene and Marlo, I really want to see what is going on with her this season. Her secret wedding went and upped anticipation for season 10 imo.

A gif which proves my point!

Atlanta is lucky to have Kenya. She makes things move on the show. If she wasn't on, it would be a borefest of fake SLs like Sheree's. Moreover, i like her. Shes not afraid to both stand up for herself and show her vulnerable side. The way she tried to reach out to Nene even after Nene was awful to her is a case in point. She can and does try to relate to the other women. Kim Blowup Doll can stay in her lane. What a grubby little pimp she is.

A snippet of Andy's interview with Luann is already out on either the Bravo or WWHL channel on YT (I'm on my phone otherwise I would link to it directly).

House of Hilton (https://www.amazon.com/House-Hilton-Conrad-Wealth-Privilege/dp/0307337227/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1503675326&sr=8-1&keywords=house+of+hilton). Obviously it's a salacious read. Kyle should thank her lucky stars that her child-acting career never really panned out. Remember those stories of how her mom would take her from her bed sleeping and she would wake up on set somewhere? Or the time Big Kathy took her to Studio 54 and then went off to party? I remember Erika was like "That's what I'm talking about! Kyle's so cool!" when she heard the Studio 54 story, but the way Kyle told that story and the one about being taken in the middle of the night to a film set, it sounded kind of scary for a small child. So imagine you are Kim and actually winning roles and acclaim and $$$$ for your mom to live off of. And you develop a drinking/addiction problem to deal with the pressure. And instead of seeking help for your drinking/anxieties, your mother decides to sweep it under the carpet and enable it -- because possibly having you, her little worker bee, under the influence makes you more reliant on her. So many of Kim's problems stem from her overbearing mother. Her insecurities. Her addiction to the limelight and marrying for money were probably her mother's obsessions which she projected onto her child. No wonder Kim carries so much anger and resentment today.

Ana strikes me as one of those borderline Libertarian Republicans lol. Now that you mention it, I think I do recall Alexia expressing admiration and thanks to Obama for his 8 years in the WH on Instagram! I love Alexia lol. Lawd I forgot about Kimsley having dated him. Big Kathy sure shoved her girls at anything with money huh -- absolutely anything. Didn't Sonja say she dated him too? And what is the one common denominator which links Sonja to Kim? Le booze

@Nothin'ButAttitude Many Cuban Americans in Miami (especially the wealthy ones whose parents came over when Fidel came to power) will be Republican with a capital R. It's personal for them -- the Cuban regime essentially chased their families out of Cuba. The Republicans have a hardline policy regarding the Castro regime because the party is ideologically opposed to Communism. Younger Cuban Americans have been a bit more positive regarding Obama's opening towards Cuba (and the chance of going to Cuba one day to visit), but I think overall the RHoM women who are Cuban-American would feel aligned to the Republican party -- though perhaps not Trump per se. Like they would support Jeb Bush. As I recall, Marysol, Alexia and Ana were quite LGBTQ-positive, and Miami (the city) seems to embrace the community. It's tricky to figure out! I would say Marysol probably ended up going with HRC anyway, and Ana, too. Ana seems to know what's up, and what kind of troll Trump is. Alexia, no clue. She worked with special needs kids in the public school system, so my hearts says no since Trump never really campaigned for public school education lol. I would be shocked if Kyle on BH voted Trump! I don't think either she or her husband lean that way at all. Most of Hollywood is true blue Dem (and HUGE fundraisers for Hillary and the Democratic Party), and she's big on being part of the social firmament. She also strikes me as a bit of a follower, rather than marching to the beat of her own drum. Heck, even Hollywood Republicans like Arnold Schwarzenneggar won't vote Trump. Estelle Umansky is an anomaly in this wider social group and kind of a loon.

Judging by her Twitter feed at the time, I felt that Bethenny tried to appeal to both sides. After the Trump win, she tweeted along the lines of "He won let's get over it and move on." This was around the time protests started forming in the days and weeks after the election result, so it seemed somewhat in response to do that. But hey I buy that she voted for HRC. In other 'shocking' news, I believe Andy mentioned that the cast of the OC and NJ overwhelming supported Trump. And in Bethenny news, she is apparently back with Dennis Shields.