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7 hours ago, Cheap21 said:

Lisa Vanderpump got exposed at that last part and Im glad bc she's a condescending  bitch who thinks she's better than everyone else. I cant believe she couldnt just own that she knew Dorit's head was going to get cut off bc she wanted that. All that backpedlling and !@#$%^&*] popping only made her look bad.

 

I felt for Kyle. Her family issues are deeply rooted in some serious sh-t. Her sisters arent on the show but their prescence were very much felt here

I have disliked Kyle for many seasons, mostly because she is shady and plays victim. However, I warmed to her recently because of what she's going through with her sisters. Their mom really fucked them up, and Kathy and Kim seem to be continuing the cycle. K/K may not like American Woman, but judging from what we saw on BH, that show looks tame and puts Big Kathy in a completely rosy, sanitised light. So I suspect this fallout may be more about jealousy and throwing their weight around. Kathy was initially the famous sister (because of Paris), but once BH became a hit, Kyle took the spotlight. And when Mauricio left Hilton-Hyland, the Hiltons were no longer in a position to control the Umanskys. Kim and Kathy's 'love' for Kyle seems entirely conditional upon her doing what they tell her to do. As for the Glass Houses project, maybe Kyle shouldn't be fictionalizing (and monetizing) her fight with Kathy and Rick. Perhaps Kathy will join RHOBH to get back at her, lol. She might as well, she is mentioned so often.

I didn't understand why LVP was ducking and diving about the magazine shoot. It was unnecessary: nobody likes Dorit, nobody cares about this SL, and LVP as editor can do what she wants with her photos. Is LVP scared of Dorit? 

3 hours ago, Nothin'ButAttitude said:

 

Don't bother watching. It isn't worth it. 

 

Yes, Kyle did try squeezing a tear out about Kathy/Kim being mad about her shows. IMO, it displayed perfectly how Kyle is just as sneaky as the rest. It was brought up (too) that Kyle has another show under development that mirrors the situation with Mauricio/Rick Hilton and their real estate beef. Kyle swore she wasn't using that situation for her upcoming show, but the synopsis Andy read fit it perfectly. It didn't help that production flashed back to a scene with Kyle/Mauricio in the earlier seasons discussing him leaving Hilton-Hyland. 

 

I do think that Kyle v. Kathy stems from the fact that I believe Kyle was shielded by Big Kathy while Kim & Kathy were pimped out (allegedly) by Big Kathy. 

 

And LVP did plead for Dorit, but I'm sure it fell on deaf ears. Dorit shot herself in the foot too many times for the audience to forgive her. Funny how people were split last year on Erika/Dorit, but now it is a general consensus that the audience loathes both of them now.

I can see both sides re: the real estate beef. Word On The Street [(c) Gizelle] is that Mauricio was the worker-bee at Hyland-Hilton, but they wouldn't make him partner. When he left, H-H took a hit, and the Hiltons are pissed that Rick now has to hustle. I personally feel that Mauricio cutting ties with the Hiltons was for the best; Kyle is already tied to her toxic family, but she and Maurice should have their independence. OTOH, I can also see why the Hiltons would feel betrayed. They probably feel Mo should have stayed at H-H because he 'owed' them.

Kathy/Kim may have seen it as Big Kathy shielding Kyle from the worst of the industry, but Kyle saw it as Big Kathy giving up on her and focusing on her sisters' careers. Big Kathy used all her daughters for fame and $$$ and if they weren't making $$$, she ignored them.

I worry that we will get the same cast next season. Andy has said that Dorit and Teddi are "not going anywhere." However, the show needs a drastic overhaul. It is like Survivor: HWs making strategic alliances with one another to bring down their enemy. Fearful of getting voted off the island, they refuse to engage directly (Rinna, LVP). And that makes for an icy, contrived borefest.

Back in Season 2, when Kyle turned on LVP and called her Bobby Fischer ("Every move is so calculated"), you could see that it was like a knife to LVP's heart. Maybe that's why she distanced herself emotionally from the women. Nowadays, LVP, Erika, Kyle, Rinna, Dorit are all Bobby Fischers, but with zero emotional investment in any kind of real relationship -- the very thing which made Season 2 so compelling.

4 hours ago, Nothin'ButAttitude said:

^

I hope she [!@#$%^&*] goes. She was insufferable tonight. 

 

Teddi pissed me off by not calling Erika a liar, which she is. And Dorit and Rinna sucking her a** only made it worse. I was glad that LVP adamantly backed Teddi and Kyle did somewhat. 

 

Erika is a royal twat that needs to go. Watch if she leaves, Rinna will be on an isle of her own. She'll quickly scurry up next to LVP to secure her position. 

 

I'm just glad this sh-tty season is over. I don't know why they are doing a Secrets Revealed episode next week either. I'd just wrap this crap up and forget s8 altogether. 

Thank you for your recap because I couldn't face watching. I did hear about one thing, which was Kyle doing her unintelligible squeaky-cry about not having spoken to Kathy in months. LVP pipes up: "oh I saw her last night." 

Also heard that LVP pleads to the audience to love Dorit.  Honestly, Dorit and Erika are so vile. As is Rinna, who phoned it in all season. The three mentioned should be fired asap. LVP is better off concentrating on VPR. Everybody pretty much despises each other. Who does that leave?

They could have had one reunion episode and done. Secrets Revealed? What more could they show? Erika dressing up as Little Bo Peep for the 8 millionth time? Dorit pretending to work? LVP petting one of her 253 dogs?

YASSS Karen, put that shark-eyed Gizelle in her place! This is everything I love about Dame Karen right here.

1 hour ago, Gray Bunny said:

I'm anticipating a friendship breakdown with Monique vs. Charriissee down the line. Charriissee will side with the old hags and resent Monique for siding with the younger, prettier enemy. 

Monique vs Charrisse may happen, but not before Monique vs Candiace (see below).

I can't believe Monique threw Candice under the bus in front of the other women! Her not having Candiace's back plays right into Gizelle/Charrisse/Robyn's hands.

I also enjoy the Young Bucks vs Geriatrics set-up. Ashley is Potomac's MVP. She brings her own RL story to the show (and yes @DaytimeFan her mother is one of those 'martyrs' who uses her victimhood to get something for nothing). She also spills tea on everybody in a really clear, perfect way (unlike, say, professional bone-collector Sheree).

Karen is my fave, even when she is trying to pretend she isn't in financial and personal difficulty. Those scenes with Ray feel staged, but in a way I don't mind because I enjoy her so much and she is so obvious about it. Karen keeps it moving.

Charrisse is a FOH this season? She is on every episode! Stirring nastiness up as usual! She should be fulltime because this FOH status allows her to go after others (Candiace, Karen) but not have to discuss her own shady situations. Thank heavens for Candiace who earned her spot this episode and scalped her good! 

Gizelle making those mean comments about Ashley's 'trailer park' grandparents who made sacrifices to take Ashley on vacation to the country.  Will this now mean lots of Gizelle guest-spots on WWHL to justify her shitty personality? Andy is under the delusion that she's the beloved OG of this franchise. I hope she gets dragged at Reunion.

@Nothin'ButAttitude IA Monique's over-working and drinking is her attempt to fill an empty space in her life. She hasn't got over the miscarriage, and neither has her husband, and they prob haven't had a chance to heal properly together. She should NEVER have gotten behind the wheel of a car after 4 Martinis, though. She must have called her hubby to come get her, and not the police, because the police would have breathalysed her and charged her with DUI.

Yeah Charisse has a place on this show for sure -- as someone I love to hate.

Plus she can definitely stir things up with Monique, being that Monique doesn't realize yet how two-faced she is -- and the newbie Bucky. 

@Soaplovers You were not harsh at all! I had forgotten that OC went on some pretty out-there trips. I found OC unwatchable last year, but maybe the women needed an off season to shape up and put 3-year old issues behind them. OC has always been about the relationships between the women, so to have a season where the main three refused to film with each other was hard. IA with you that OC is underappreciated sometimes, but when it's on fire, it puts the other franchises on notice. For girl drama, relationship drama, family drama, and drunken shenanigans, OC cannot be beat. Naked Wasted, the Bus Ride From Hell, Brooks, "YOU WILL ALL KNOW THE TRUTH, YOU WILL ALL KNOW THE [!@#$%^&*] TRUTH" Vicki screaming from the top of Whistler that she's never had a threesome in her life -- you couldn't make any of this up.

9 hours ago, Taoboi said:

BH

And I see TT just had a blind item reveal having to do with Ms. Pretty Mess which explains a lot and perhaps she is right and she won't be back next season given the blind item itself.

It's like Icy B*tch purposely sabotaged her HW position so that she doesn't have to come back next season when the divorce breaks!

BH should call it a day. Maybe some years down the line we get a RHOBH featuring Kyle, Camille, Faye Resnick, Kris Jenner -- and guest-starring Kathy Hilton and Kim Richards. Ok, I know most despise Kyle, but imo Kyle still has story to milk, especially her fear of Kathy Hilton and the loathing Kathy has for her.

Erika needs to GO. She clearly hates the women, the show, Andy, and Bravo. She bought into her own hype and it's an ugly look.

Rinna is awful. She did f*ck-all this season except attack LVP in her VTs. Rinna is basically the Charisse of BH. She can GTFO also.

LVP has out-grown this franchise. She should stick solely to VPR where she can focus on trying (and failing) to make Scheana Marie happen (we all know Lala is the real star!). 

Dorit. Ugh. Blatant liar. I hope we never see her on reality tv again.

1 hour ago, Soaplovers said:

 

I recall when the girls from the OC went to Ireland... they did a pub crawl, went on several of the tours, Meghan even researched her family history then went up to random strangers with Kelly asking them if they were related LOL

 

Plus, the year they went to Bali.. they went on bike rides, toured rice fields, went to the little shops, even had their feet dipped in the water with the fish, etc.

 

The downside of the OC women on vacation is their lack of adventure in terms of food.

 

I admit I didn't watch their vacation last season..tbh

 

 

Yeah they do visit places. I'm being harsh. I love when they went to Costa Rica, and Bali.

Last season they went to Iceland. It was all trips around glaciers, but it got side tracked when Vicki took some pills Kelly gave her, had a bad reaction, went to the hospital, and nobody in the group cared. 

18 minutes ago, DaytimeFan said:

 

Candy-ass is low class but the bubble soccer event did give us the amazing moment when Karen had to shift her wig. God I love Karen. She is so funny. 

 

Gizelle remains a hateful bitch with an ugly heart. 

 

Robyn remains an absolute idiot - paying someone to decorate that townhouse? Fool. Still can’t hold onto a dollar. 

 

Ashley’s mother is toxic to her relationship and when it’s Michael’s money paying the bills he has every right to say it’s time to cut her off. The woman is an immature leach.

 

Charisse remains a pig. 

 

I love Potomac. 

100% all this. Potomac is so easy to enjoy this season. Even though I can't stand Gizelle.

16 minutes ago, WTGH said:

OC: Cast trip in Jamaica. 

 

Dallas: Cast trip in Copenhagen, Denmark.

 

I really want OC to come back ASAP. It'll always be my favorite franchise. The crappy last season is still miles more entertaining than BH and ATL.

I'm excited to see Jamaica (it was spectacular on RHOA), but I have a feeling the OC HWs will probably never leave the hotel resort. It always amazes me how the OC ladies fly miles away on vacation to stay at a beach exactly like the one they have at home! Hope it's a good season this year.

Copenhagen is a beautiful city. The Dallas ladies will probably feel right at home. Everybody there is blonde and good looking and speaks English and loves a strong drink or five.

3 hours ago, Nothin'ButAttitude said:

Karen's wig shifting...

 

And Candaice gave them too much info last night.

Yep. And Gizelle is wasting no time in turning it against her next week. Candiace was naive in telling ANY of these women her financial business. Even Karen told her to not to say anything. Gizelle tells no-one about the alimony Jamal Bryant pays her, I notice -- or where he gets the money from.

I also noticed that now Charrisse is now tattling about Monique to Gizelle. I'm sure this will be news to Monique.

Karen is the gift that keeps on giving. When she tried to put on sunglasses to distract from that expanding hairline, and when she smacked Candiace's hands away and barked 'I GOT IT, I GOT IT' lol.

Wendy talks KZB @8.18.

17 hours ago, Soaplovers said:

Well worded apology from Kim... yet I always believe that an apology means nothing without a change in behavior that warranted the original apology.  Before the bathroom tirade, she could have played up being ganged up on.. since she was in essence... but she is her own worst enemy and I doubt she will come back from this even with an apology unless she changes the behavior.

Wednesday she shut down production on DBT and summoned her lawyers in a fit of pique towards Bravo for not backing her up at Reunion! In no way did she believe she was wrong for her remarks -- if anything, she thinks she's the victim. Judging by this latest IG post (clearly not written by her), the lawyers sat her down and put the cold hard facts to her: she risks being decimated by Bravo/NBC Universal legally and professionally. Plus she will lose her show (the Biermanns' only source of income) and all associated income opportunities tied to that show. 

ITA that based on Reunion alone, she would have come out with her career intact and coasted on the idea that she was unfairly ganged-up on. The bathroom comments put a stake in all that. Her true feelings came out and they were ignorant, racist and ugly as hell.

She won't change her behavior because Kim never admits she is wrong in anything. Her entire bathroom tirade was all about how she is in the right and life is so unfair. Even in the IG post it states "I truly pray that the people wishing horrible things on others, and on me, channel that energy into something positive. Our world would be a much better place if you do. I am committed to making this world a better place to live. I will continue to learn from, and be open to, ALL people." NONE of this is about HER changing her behavior. It's all about OTHERS changing their behavior and her 'continuing' to do what she's always done.

I haven't quoted it here but IA with your remarks about Sonja and Dorinda. Even though I love Dorinda. And Sonja! Both women have their issues and are very relatable in their flaws. Dorinda is clearly still v angry about losing her husband but never dealt with it. And Sonja cannot accept that her Morgan status and lifestyle is long-gone. Both need to work on these issues, but I fear that while Dorinda has a chance, Sonja may be too far gone. Psychologically, she just cannot deal with what is happening to her. She can only deal by shutting it out. And that's why she can't move forward.

NY:

I can see both sides of the Sonja issue. On the one hand, it's tough seeing Sonja enter parties putting on a brave face and all the women shunning her and giving her the evil eye. Sonja seems to have aged exponentially this year. At times she looks grandmotherly. I don't know if it's the aging facelift, but I feel like she is worn out and depressed; the pretence she has kept afloat for years is coming off the rails. She barely believes her delusions anymore but she's still floundering in them and can't pull herself out. Everyone around her has evolved but she refuses to. I can see why Dorinda has lost patience and Ramona has outgrown her drinking buddy.

However, they are far too harsh with her. Sonja seems so fragile and vulnerable, and her two friends are climbing on the Carole and Tinsley bitch train. Dorinda purposely got Tinsley riled up and it was not a good look on her. At all.

Carole remains awful, bitching about Ramona's party. Girl, your marathon run just isn't that important. Maybe you'd be happier hanging with Hipster Mumbling Man-Bun and nibbling some rabbit food.

Tinsley making that classic sophomore mistake of targeting another HW right off the bat and looking like a desperate beeyotch. She's a vapid piece of lint.

Luann was DELICIOUS when she asked Dennis how he met Bethenny and then apologised in that icy, elegant way. And that little smile. Sometimes B need to be reminded her hands aren't so clean.

11 hours ago, Cheap21 said:

KKKim posted a fake apology

 

That was a beautifully worded, spell-checked apology penned by Kim's lawyer! I'm so happy to know Kim doesnt discriminate -- when it comes to [!@#$%^&*] rich guys of any race, colour or creed.

Heartwarmimg too to know she is paying lawyers $$$ when her hubby is literally unemployable, they have 17 children and her show is hanging by a thread. Bravo won't like that she shut down production on Tardy! Idiot.

11 hours ago, DRW50 said:

I've always felt a little sorry for Kyle, even as I often wonder why I should (I guess it's partly because of her upbringing and partly because some of the people who were against her, like Brandi and Carlton, were so awful), but she really is a vapid moron (and good luck pushing those TV projects now). Given her abusive relationships with her mother and sisters, I guess I should not be surprised she's there to help another Kim.

 

http://www.tmz.com/2018/04/26/kyle-richards-kim-zolciak-not-racist-real-housewives/

Despite myself, I like Kyle too sometimes. She's human and her tragic dynamic with her sisters explains a lot with her. However, she needs to follow John Legend/Chrissy Teigen's lead and step away from KZB. She has no business commenting, and the sloth will only drag her down and taint her by association. I can only assume Kim's lawyer needed a house in the Valley and called begging for a favour.

1 hour ago, Cheap21 said:

Carole:  "The girls are so jealous of my tattoo body suit, its funny." No whats funny is that you think they are jealous of you. Dont no one want to dress like that

Carole thinks she is some kind of downtown style leader. It's hilarious that she thinks the 'girls' [(c) Luann] are jealous of her and that fug body tatoo stocking. No, Carole, they're just turned off by your stank attitude.

She was on WWHL last night sounding bitter and dumb as [!@#$%^&*]. The other guest used the term DIY and she had to ask Andy what that meant.

28 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

Kyle looks like she's wearing a nightwear version of one of those old suits people used to wear to sweat and lose weight. 

Kyle (or as Dorit calls her, Koyle) looks like she's wearing a black Hefty bag.

I believe the term Amazon came up for them is 'sauna suits.' 

19 minutes ago, Cheap21 said:

I hated the fashion on the pink couch and Dorit's hair looked awful.

Best hair: Kyle, LVP

Best dressed: Rinna

Worst hair: Dorit

Worst dressed: Dorit, Kyle, Erika.

12 hours ago, Faulkner said:

Not watching the BH reunion, but Erika Jayne is getting dragged left and right on Twitter.

 

 

 

She, Dorit and to a slightly lesser extent Rinna are all getting draaaaaagged under the #RHOBHReunion tag.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/RHOBHReunion?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fboards.soapoperanetwork.com%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcore%26module%3Dsystem%26controller%3Dembed%26url%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FLoveAndyC%2Fstatus%2F988951386250530823%3Fs%3D20

On 24/04/2018 at 5:46 PM, Gray Bunny said:

Call of death for Kim Zolciak Biermann:  Sunday, April 22nd 2018 at 8:59 ET / 7:59 CT. 

 

That was one of the most satisfying reunions I have ever had the pleasure of watching. Every single person (except Sheree, who's next on the chopping block) came for Kim, which was loooooooooong overdue. I was so proud of Cynthia throwing out those zingers as sloth continued her side digs about Cynthia being irrelevant or coming to others' defenses. You could totally tell Cynthia was through being nice to sloth and came right out with the rest of 'em, reading her for filth and making zero apologies about doing so. 

 

NeNe, Kenya, Kandi, Cynthia hell even Porsha. They all came for Kim and had the receipts (and Bravo had the clips!) to back it up. It was delicious. Reality TV trash at its finest. 

 

Wow, those stupid racist comments at the end, when all of Wig's chips were down... that'll be her undoing. God-willing. "She has to get back to Tardy for the Party!" lol  I hope it's the last season that dies a slow painful ratings death on a Friday night. 

   @ sloth ! 

I just wrote about Rinna rejoicing in other people's humiliation and being a hateful human being. Well, I guess I am talking about myself when it comes to the fat-lipped sloth! The HWs went in on her and, yes, she was alone in defending herself. That usually wins underdog points with me. However, Andy never called Kim to account at the other reunions for her double-dealing. It took 7 long years, but her constant lies and hate finally caught up with her. 

Her career would have survived this Reunion just fine (she could have milked the 'bitches jealous of my life' mantra for months) -- were it not for her racist, ignorant AF comments at the end. Racism didn't exist until social media? What a narcissistic clown. Her career was built on the shoulders of vastly more talented African Americans. Can't wait for the bonfire of her vanities.

14 hours ago, Nothin'ButAttitude said:

Good God. The RHOBH reunion was garbage. 1 hr I will NEVER get back. They seriously should've wrapped this drivel up in a 90 minute reunion ... and that's me being nice!

JUST AWFUL. I am ready to QUIT this sh*t-show.The only thing I liked was Kyle's haircut -- and, to a lesser extent, Teddi.

So DONE with Rinna after she shouted at LVP when called out about her nasty Instagram stories. Rinna is constantly trying to get LVP, Kyle and Teddi fired and rejoices in others' humiliation. She is cowardly. She pretends that she's about letting things go and yet she's milking the hate for 3 years straight. Can't stand to look at her.

Rinna doing that honking donkey laugh every time Erika opened her piehole was le cringe. Erika is literally dead behind the eyes. Did she snort Xanax off of Mikey's backside beforehand? She despises the women and the show. And her mother. And her husband. And John Mellencamp. F*cking icy b*tch. Maybe next year the truth will come out about her dead marriage and we will get a more humane Erika -- but I doubt it. 

Dorit is scum. Teddi talks about the difficulties she had with pregnancy and she's snarking "Go buy a dog at VP dogs" ? Everything she accused Teddi of being (two-faced, liar), she epitomizes. She can go, too.

Kyle talking YET AGAIN about LVP 'latching on' to newbies/preying on the weak?

5 hours ago, Taoboi said:

Now can we talk about this? 

 

 

 

YES, LET'S talk about it! UNF!!! These two are fire. 🔥🔥🔥Cynthia is the most gorgeous HW of all the franchises and she and Nick are burning up my screen! I am secretly wishing for a Cynthia/Leon reunion because he seems like such a sweet guy, but NC is a goofball too. Get it, NICK! 

Top pic: dat thumb placement tho, Cynthia. 

http://www.realitytea.com/2018/04/24/oops-melissa-gorgas-clothing-store-envy-sold-counterfeit-chanel-goods/

Yikes, Melissa. So I'm assuming she was selling the counterfeits at Chanel prices??

RHONJ is filming right now so I expect this will be included in the new season. I really cannot wait to hear Kim D's take on this! So far she's been quiet but you know the Cryptkeeper is merely biding her time.

Potomac:

I like that Potomac is solidly middle-class with its SLs revolving around the financial precariousness of being middle-class (Robyn, Karen, Candiace), especially if you divorce (Gizelle, Charrisse, Robyn, Ashley). The anxiety that you may slip 'under' is always there. (I'm kind of over the bling-over-substance stuff like Erika/BH).

Robyn is so grumpy about being called out on her sh*t. Monique hit the nail on the head when she said that Robyn keeps saying "stay out of my business like I stay out of yours" but she's as sly behind your back as Gizelle everybody else. Gizelle and Robyn are two sides of the same coin. Gizelle just wraps her mean-girl up in a smile and soothing voice. I always feel like Gizelle is trying to shmooze the audience like she shmoozed churchgoers back in the day in order for them to donate to her and Pastor Cheatalot's lifestyle. 

Word on the street (well, in Reality Tea's comments section) is that Gizelle's college disbanded her sorority which was hazing potential recruits by getting them to do sexual things. The head of the sorority at the time? You guessed it!

Karen shutting down Charrisse at Gizelle's garden party was a thing of beauty! Charisse all condescending and nasally: "The thiiiing iiiiisss, we were all wonderinnnnn--" Karen: "I KNOW you're not still talking." 

Ashley helping her mother financially is keeping the leach tied to her mother's side. I totally understand why she and Michael want to cut off support. Her discussion with her therapist about trying to win her mother AND Michael's love through doing things for them was revelatory.

16 minutes ago, Cheap21 said:

Oh I wasnt saying you were but thats the persona she gave off in season 3 when she joined. Some people fail to acknowledge that she's changed and isnt afraid to clap back when pushed

 

It's cool, I didn't take it personal towards me.

She's come a long way since S3, though I liked her back then too. She was in a vulnerable place and she never hid it from the cameras or pretended to be like the other women. 

18 hours ago, DaytimeFan said:

 

Agree with you completely, but the bolded sections in particular. What Sonja needs is a lighter touch with a wake up call, and that's where I think Luann comes in. 

 

5 or 6 seasons, when Sonja took down the portrait of herself and her husband from her dining room, it was Luann who was there and sat with her quietly looking at the empty space on the wall. I have long thought Luann is the only one who can reach Sonja gently enough: Ramona is too abrasive, Dorinda is too volcanic, Carole is too judgmental, Tinsley is too dumb, and Bethenny is too ambitious. 

I was reminded of that very scene while watching this latest episode, particularly when Luann was shopping for the nutri-bullet! As ridiculous as some of Sonja's demands where -- and most of the other women would have flat-out refused -- Luann seems to want to support Sonja's efforts to detox and get (somewhat) healthy. She also wanted Sonja to feel at home in Lu's house, just as Sonja once welcomed her into her townhouse. 

Luann has been accused (mostly by Carole) of being a narcissist, fake, inauthentic, selfish, evil, etc, etc, but when it comes to Sonja, Luann is gentle and empathetic without being an enabler. She understands it's hard to get over a longtime husband leaving you and downsizing your life. (I maintain that while Luann did fall for Tom, the Count was the love of her life, and I wonder if her outsized reaction to her divorce with Tom wasn't in part latent feelings of rejection she felt from her first divorce). When Mario and Ramona broke up, for example, Luann did not bear grudges with regards to the things Ramona had said about her marriage.

1 hour ago, Cheap21 said:

People try to say Cynthia is boring but she knows how to read and she snatched Kim's wig. I was here for it

I don't think she's boring! Cynthia is one of my favourites on ATL. And definitely, she can and does read people. She may not do it every episode, but when she does, it is always perfectly judged and spot on.