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I don't understand either. As a fan of k-pop and k-dramas (also j-dramas and c-dramas), there is plenty of complexity, shade and dramatics to chronicle amongst the US's myriad Asian communities (not to mention those of Indian descent). But their presence on TV in the west is so muted. ( I remember Daniel Dae Kim standing out in Angel and Lost back in the day, but only in supporting roles). I would love it if an Asian woman appeared on RH franchise. Don't rule out BH, where Sherman Oaks and Calabasas have sizeable and successful Korean-American communities. Caught up with the Dallas reunion, basically Leeanne doubling down on her crazy and getting caught out on her half-lies. Not a good look. Everyone hates her ass on that show. It's almost worse than LVP on BH, where her success triggered jealousy and numerous takedown attempts. On Dallas, the women cannot stand Leeanne the person. Bravo has no love for her, either. This was meant to be her triumphant wedding season. Instead, she looked grasping, greedy, petty, her head inflated by her relative fame, obsessed with out-doing everyone in the tragedy stakes. The actual tragedy is her slo-mo implosion on our TV screens. How can she not see how bad she came across? I actually feel sorry for her because this is SO BAD for her -- and spells curtains for the show, too. I actually liked D'Andra this episode and thought she sounded quite reasonable with most of her points. Kary OTOH is literally the WORST. So obsessed with money that she thinks the only way to be truly charitable is to fling a cheque at the poor. So petty that every little thing Leeanne does is an opportunity to screech blame. Kameron did not come across great this episode and that makes me sad because I love her. Stephanie came out the winner in that face-off. Three-chins Brandi. I got nothing.

@Taoboi @DaytimeFan I did not know Caroline and Cem had split up. That's sad, although they always kind of lived somewhat separate lives where she traveled around a lot doing her thing and he did his business. I thought it seemed to work for them, but maybe they grew apart. Personally I think Caroline Stanbury would not be out of place on RHONY where she is close with Dorinda, and I believe her beloved hairstylist Luke (who also appeared on LOL) also lives in New York. Especially if RHONY is missing Bethenny's outsized presence (which it surely is). BH sorely needs somone like Caroline too, but that nest of vipers may not be for her. Revamping LOL is also an option. Marissa is now in Pasadena but I doubt her nasally voice would be missed. Unfortunately, the vile, shark-eyed Juliet is still in London and still crazy close with Caroline Stanbury, so she could well be asked back. Juliet seems to have edged out Sophie Stanbury from Caroline's affections, but I would love if Sophie came back too, along with her pal Adela and the fabulous Duchess Caroline Fleming! Julie I can live without on this show. So basically LOL would be casting around for a couple of Chelsea-based Americans.

Yeah, I agree with @Chris B about Nene. It is hunting season for the OGs on all these shows, and Nene is in a more precarious position than even Vicki was. Vicki had a real chance of returning to OC with an orange, but her crazy FOMO got the better of her and she messed it up with her awful homophobic comments (I still say Vicki has latent feelings for Tamra and can't get past them). She showed herself out the door. Nene has production in no way inclined to showcase her. I don't blame them one bit after what happened last year, and when Bravo starts editing you off the show, you know it's curtains. And yes, ATL can carry on without her. But IMO there is still unfinished business with Nene that I want to see played out. Even not being there, she is still in the mix, especially with Cynthia, Kenya and to a lesser extent Kandi. Honestly, the face-off between Nene and Kenya has been YEARS in the making. Kenya came gunning for Nene's queen bee position right from the top (many say she succeeded in getting it), and Nene has always felt deeply threatened by her. I am more invested in that than, say, Eva's supposed beef with Porsha. Like @Chris B I think Nene's stank face and petty jealousies can still contribute something to ATL for the remainder of the season. Part 3 of OC reunion was really very good. After Vicki left, the women explained themselves with unexpected depth. Braunwyn actually surprised with how well she explained her feelings for women. Kelly at least calmed down. And the Emily-Shane segment was informative, lol. Tamra stood out like a sore thumb, though, as she looked to score easy points with Andy and the audience. So Braunwyn talking about her sexuality segues into Tamra squawking that she and Eddie had sex in front of a group of her friends and they saw his weiner. It's like she was constantly looking for opportunities to stay in the conversation. Tamra couldn't even connect on a human level with Gina and hug her. If Bravo wants to revamp OC, I think they should keep Shannon but jettison Tamra. However, I think they are afraid that if Tamra goes, there will be no pot-stirring or drama.

@DaytimeFan @chrisml I don't think Vicki is so much a prude as deeply jealous of Braunwyn for coming onto Tamra and making out with her! For so long, Vicki and Tamra had a deeply intense, deeply dysfunctional friendship which bordered on Vicki being a little bit in love with her. Or, at the very least, wanting to be Tamra's bestest and *only* friend. She has mellowed in recent times, but her reaction to Braunwyn seems like a throwback to those S5-10 years. She was protesting so loudly ("EW GROSS DISGUSTING" that methinks the lady doth protest too much. However, she also revealed herself to be a total homophobe, and best believe that both Andy and production took note of it. Vicki imploded and I don't think she even quite realises it. But anyway, I'd be surprised if she was back next season.

I can actually hear AC's voice reading those questions from 'Melanie in Grand Rapids' or 'Kayla in Bakersfield' lol. I wish he'd asked these! He really is so poor at questioning these people or holding them to account.

YET AGAIN Tamra manages to evade getting called out on her pot-stirring and blame-passing. Kelly had an open goal, but she's too busy thinking up another swear word to babble some semblance of an argument. Contrast that with ATL when the ladies succinctly and perfectly deceminated Kim Zolciak. Instead, here, we got lots of "Wait, you told me... didn't you?" And Kelly decided to pick a fight with Shannon of all people -- the most coherent of the Tres Amigas. Shannon was not having it, and I don't blame her. Bravo may want to retool OC extensively, but if that means Kelly is at the top of that heap, how on earth will anybody call her out on her crap? The fear of being annihilated/sued will prevent anyone from really going there. With that being said, Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays to everyone on this thread! I am thankful for the joy I get from reading your posts!

I have gone back and forth on the Kenya marriage question. Are they really married? Is this a business arrangement or a romance gone bad? I don't always trust what she puts on screen because she self-produces over and above Bravo production. However, watching this last episode, Marc's visceral dislike of his wife (or 'wife') was so.... personal, it strikes me that the relationship must have been real at one point to get to that point of hate and resentment. Yeah, revealing to Cynthia was not great. Kenya is a control freak, she wants to be in charge of everything significant that happens in other people's lives, and if she can't be, she kind of has to spoil it. Perhaps there was something of the romance of the gesture which unconsciously bothered her (even though I think she is genuinely happy for Cynthia). Eva is coasting. She thinks it's 'diva' just to show to a few events and cast a side-eye at people. I've said it before and will say it again: at least Nene (who we know is desperate to prove her worth on this show) cares enough to go BSC when she shows up somewhere! Apparently yesterday night was Part 2 of OC reunion! I didn't even know!

Marc hates Kenya. HATES her. He literally cannot stand anything about her, it comes off him in waves. He seems to resent her deeply and is constantly trying to show her up on camera. Love the Kandi, Cynthia, Kenya trio. Kandi especially was great this episode. "BITCH." The momentary tension between Kandi and Kenya was unexpected but not unwelcome. Nene may not have been missed, but her words in a card are still 100 times more relevant than Eva. Miss Thing shoving her pregnant belly onstage so she could hijack some of Cynthia Bailey's limelight! I don't know why that bothered me, but it did. Baby Pilar giving Dennis perpetual Stank Face made me cackle!

I am Team Marge, but there is no reason why Danielle should not be a full HW. She is basically Marge's entire story this year. Plus she is Teresa's confidante until they have a big breakup, caused in part by Melissa (according to Melissa). She is driving the main SL. I also hate when production try and train the audience to feel some kind of way about a HW, without showing us all the facts or letting us make our own minds about it. I can think if one or two other RH shows where they do that. Cough.

I love Joe Gorga. IMO he is a real housewife in all but name, and the heart and soul of the Gorga/Giudice clan. For a self-confessed macho, he is surprisingly in touch with his emotions and expressing vulnerability. He also strikes me as a naturally joyous person who loves life and loves people. His bromance with Marge's Joe and Jennifer's Bill is so fun to watch. Yeah, the Easter dinner was sad to watch, but I have such a soft spot for that family, especially the way Gia mothers Audriana, and Antonia and Milania are joined at the hip. I have no clue how Teresa and Not-So-Juicy-No-More produced these stoic, smart daughters, but it was the one of the few right things they ever did with their lives. Speaking of people who should be real housewives but aren't: Danielle Staub. There is no reason on earth this pot-stirring drama queen who has Marge and Teresa talking about her constantly should be excluded from main cast status!

I agree with you and @DaytimeFan so much on this. The more I watch, though, the more I believe Leeanne was xenophobic without even realising it. It's not that Kary is Mexican which is the core problem -- the actual problem is that Kary and Leeanne are oil and water, and Kary is D'Andra's henchwoman dedicated to 'exposing' Leeanne for any little thing she does. Nevertheless, Leeanne has clearly internalised negativety about Mexicans, and you can see it in her intonation of that word. She is mad that Kary does not know her place, that she is being too uppity, and how dare she be uppity, she's just a chirpy Mexican! Replace chirpy with effing, and with that tone? Leeanne absolutely has work to do on herself. I hope she is ready to do the work, too, after watching that footage (and I'm sure there are Texas outreach programs which would be more than willing to help). The second problem is the finale, where she doubled-down on everything she said. She was bullied. She was pushed beyond her limits. She doesn't recall saying it. She cant be racist cuz she slept with Mexicans and sat on Julio Iglesias's lap (um he is Spanish tho). She would never use the word 'chirpy.' She is sorry if anybody was offended by her using the word 'Mexican'! It was clear that Leeanne knew she had said the wrong thing at this point. She just did not want to be called out on it. That's the problem. Leeanne has a pride problem, and a fame-has-gone-to-her-head problem. I don't like Kary at all, but she deserved a genuine apology for those comments alone. D'Andra was so thrilled by this turn of events, she could hardly stand it. Honestly I am so turned off by her, and I used to defend her a LOT. If it wasn't for Bravo wanting to see Mama Dee every episode, D'Andra wouldn't even be on the show. I hope Leeanne does not double-down on this again at reunion because it will destroy her and the show. Personally, I have enjoyed Dallas the most this season and do not think it deserves either its low ratings or to be cancelled. But Leeanne's presence/story is the only SL in town right now. I don't know if the others can carry RHOD without her (much as I love Kameron, Stephanie or even Brandi and the Mama Dee story this year). This isn't NYC or ATL which have strength and depth in their casts. Dallas still feels new and shaky. I would be sorry to see it go, though, and personally cannot wait to watch reunion.

Well, except for Emily. It was clear that Gina basically threw away Emily's friendship for a chance to audition for the Skipper role in the Tres Amigas. Actually, I just read something quite insightful on TT which said that Emily is a giver but Gina is a taker, and that never ends well. I think that sums it up pretty accurately. Now Gina has moved onto another giver, Shannon. I'm curious to see if Gina will talk about what happened with her ex. This season was better than it has been in years (better than the Meghan King Edmonds years for sure). But there is a lot of toxicity, especially between Tamra-Kelly-Vicki-Shannon, and it threatens to capsize the show if it gets out of control. Consequently, RHOC feels at a crossroads. Bravo appear to be deciding whether to (a) continue with this group and give Vicki her orange back. Or (b) make radical cast changes. I have nothing to support this feeling, but I feel like Tamra and Vicki might get jettisoned completely, and the show would be reconstructed around Shannon and Kelly. 1-2 of the Gina/Em/Brown group would get replaced by newbies.

Yeah, it's always great to see Jeana, especially when the mic picks up some aside she says about Tamra. They could have brought back Tammy Knickerbocker lol (Duff connection!). But really, I would like to see Lizzie, Gretchen, Alexis and Heather. They marked my OC viewing memories. I love the evocative music at the end when they do each wives' Where Are They Now? moment.

What did I just watch? That was some baaaaad acting from Tamra. She was nowhere near drunk and was clearly looking to pick a fight with Kelly and get a rise out of her, so she can then play victim. And Shannon is just as bad. Shannon is no puppet: getting Kelly is as much part of her agenda as it is Tamra's. Sometimes I wonder if it might not be time for Tamra to go. Having said that, Kelly was so smug at reunion and is a toxic presence overall. Can you really call yourself a millionaire when it all comes from hubby's alimony? Nice to see Billy again. Vicky's party felt like old-times OC. And Shannon has chemistry with ole Billy! Emily was most improved this season for me. I wasn't sure about her last season, but her genuine story and humor won me over. In fact, I would go as far as say that she was my fave OC HW this year. Braunwyn should be one and done. I find her oddly disingenuous. The worst is that she thinks she is a big hit with viewers and the women, when in actuality she is hopelessly out of her depth.

Oh, I have no doubt Rinna, Erika and Brandi have already mapped out the takedown of Kyle for season 11. I am literally wracking my brain trying to figure out what Denise might have done this season to warrant these spiteful taunts. Last year I found her a pretty laid back, lowkey (apart from her drunken WWHL appearance). Erika couldn't stop kissing her ass. Rinna has known her 25 years! Tweets like this remind me of middle schoolers bullying classmates on social media. It makes Rinna look even worse than she usually does (if that's possible -- I fully believe she was the architect behind puppygate and getting LVP to leave the show). She is jumping on the hate-Denise bandwagon for her moment of relevancy.

Yeah I can see that. And there are couples that get past infidelity. I just wish he hadnt pulled that douche move of blaming Porsha for something over which she has no control (pregnancy/PPD). Production is so shady -- according to the article, they made Vicki wait before joining everyone else at reunion and sent her away before the end. I cannot imagine the anxiety Vicki must have been feeling -- she has such deep FOMO and sense of ownership of this show. The producers love to torture her and will continue to do so knowing she will never leave.

Uh huh.

An ABC political analyst? Since when? Whoopi putting that miserable, entitled spoiled brat in her place is everything. I'm ok with that too, Whoopi!

So he cheated while she was preggers AND when she was going through postpartum. What a prince! Porsha should kick him to the curb. I hope she's not doing this because Bravo promised her a wedding special.

https://realityblurb.com/2019/12/15/brandi-glanville-reveals-she-exposed-a-rhobh-star-for-being-fake-and-nearly-hit-someone-during-filming-plus-she-opens-up-about-her-depression-and-dealing-with-backlash/ Brandi is Bravo's rottweiler, and bragging to everybody about it. She would do anything to return to the show full-time. Why do I have a feeling that the 'Truth Cannon' kept quiet about Kyle/Erika/Dorit's proclivities -- for now -- and instead went in on Denise and Camille like Cujo? Denise literally had no idea what she was getting into with that nest of vipers. ATL Am I hearing right? Did Dennis say that Porsha being pregnant turned him off and that's why he cheated? Why is she back with this creep?

I can see that this suggestion has gone down a storm on here. Scratch that idea. I thought it might be interesting iafter seeing WWHL, but ultimately Quad-on-RHOA is really not the hill I wish to die on!

LOL. I figured you wouldn't be a fan of that idea. Here me out. I'm no Quad fan either. I think going to RHOA would be v dangerous for her carefully-cultivated image of saintly victimhood (in her own mind). The M2M women, for whatever reason, never really go there with Quad. Even Mariah pulls her punches. ATL doesn't play like that. I fully expect Kenya to be digging the dirt on Quad and exposing her. I, for one, would be here for that. In any case, the Bravo execs seem to be all about 'younger' new HWs these days, and might not be into the idea of Quad for age reasons.

Thanks for the confirmation about the ratings. When RHOP was airing, all I heard about on social media was Potomac this and Potomac that. It seemed to have become Bravo's watercooler show. Bravo's RHOP YouTube comments were also pretty full, with everybody voicing an opinion on Ashley. So I was surprised when I read that post dismissing the show as on the verge of cancellation. I think for a cable show, +1 mil is pretty good ratings, and the fact that it stands on its own now is even better. @Taoboi Could be that Bravo are worried about potential lawsuits. Having said that, Kelly Dodd and Vicki on OC have been suing left, right and center, and nobody talks about cancelling OC on that basis! I hope RHOP weathers the storm. It should overshadow ATL. It incentivises the RHOA HWs to step it up a bit, like we are seeing them do this season. Re: Quad. I imagine Mariah would be pea-green with envy because she always fancied herself a potential RHOA castmember. Like I said, I do not like Quad, but it is not because she has nothing to offer. She is a fraud, a fake, a social-climber and undercover messy, and on a show like RHOA, that makes for some interesting dynamics. Kenya already disdains her ass, but Cynthia is sympatico with her. The RHOA and M2M women have known each other a long time. Honestly, I think she would be a better fit on RHOA than M2M next season.

So I have a question about Potomac. This weekend, TT had a blind item which many believe to be about Robyn and Juan. In passing, it was mentioned that Potomac may not have another season after this one being filmed. I'm like WHAT? I love RHOP and thought it had decent ratings and a growing audience! Please tell me RHOP isn't in the same boat as Dallas! I take a lot of what TT says with a pinch of salt as I don't think she's into RHOP all that much and she definitely lets her bias show in her posts. Does anyone know what the ratings for Potomac were this last season? I need to reassure myself that RHOP is ok.

Well. Since Quad is no longer actually Married to Medicine, I wouldn't hate it if she showed up on RHOA as a HW. I cannot stand her preachy, sanctimonious, lying ass, but she would definitely be a match for Kenya. She is as slippery and as machiavellian as Phaedra, but more combative.