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 @Broderick pointed out in the B&B from the Beginning thread that the Lance/Lucas/Leslie/Lorie quad was influenced by Le Morte d'Arthur. Maybe I'm way off here but it recently occurred to me that there may have been some biblical allusions in the quad with Vanessa in the background. Think about these comparisons:

Rebecca/Vanessa

Jacob/Lance

Esau/Lucas

Rachel/Leslie

Leah/Lorie

Rebecca favored Jacob over the hairy hunter Esau./Vanessa favored Lance over the rugged bearded sailor Lucas.

Jacob loved Rachel but was tricked into marrying Leah./Lance was drawn to Leslie but married Lorie.

I wonder if the biblical allusions were coincidence or intentional on Bill Bell's part. I don't know how religious Bill Bell was in his personal life, as I never got a religious element from much of his writing.

On 12/31/2021 at 2:47 AM, sheilaforever said:

as for B&B: it all sounds really promising. Depending on the execution this could get REALLY good actually. Seems like they are well prepared for Jacqui Woods next maternity leave. 

Maybe Bradley has something big in the works for the 35th anniversary in March. 

On 12/31/2021 at 9:36 AM, Khan said:

@Vee said it best: Chelsea is still on the show, because MCE was once very popular on AMC.

I can't believe Melissa Claire Egan started on Y&R over 10 years ago. I think MAB was still in charge when MCE was hired. We all know MAB loved ABC leftovers and former sitcom stars.

I respect EB's social media game. Remember when he was trending on Twitter?

So Doug Davidson did not appear at all in 2021. No official word from CBS/Sony, and no exit storyline.

RIP Betty White and thank you for your contributions to the entertainment industry.

This month will have a special episode for CLB's 30th anniversary.

If we are counting anniversaries from first episodes, April will be Kate Linder's 40th anniversary, and June will be Jess Walton's 35th anniversary, Eileen Davidson's 40th anniversary, and Beth Maitland's 40th anniversary.

January 14 will mark 15 years since Darlene Conley passed away. Of the original B&B characters as written by Bill Bell, Sally Spectra was another one of my favorites. I didn't mention Sally in the B&B from the Beginning thread since her episodes are still a while away on the YT channel. There was nobody else like Sally on daytime and I would say her arrival was a turning point for B&B. Sally breathed new life into the show and Bill Bell smartly built a business and a family around her, eventually replacing the Logans with the Spectra gang by 1991. It was another missed opportunity during last year's classics that we didn't get a week of the best of Sally Spectra.

1 hour ago, j swift said:

how long were Ridge and Caroline actually together as a couple?

I think about a month or so from the engagement to the terminated wedding, then their marriage to Caroline's death was 6 months.

@soapfan770 Yes, that one. Thanks for the link to the thread.

9 minutes ago, soapfan770 said:

 

 

Both MAB “up and pumping” quote and Eddie Winslow  always making sandwiches gave me a flashback to all those Y&R potpourri threads we had back in the day circa 2010 here at SON. 

Remember that casting call for Sophia which read like a checklist of every stereotype of Black American females? Was that also making the threads back then?

Y&R had two cast purges in the 1980s, it's time for another one.

11 hours ago, soapfan770 said:

Goodbye Y&R it was nice knowing you. What a disaster.

Expecting lots of garbage time, yuck.

This meme sums up CBS Daytime demographics pretty good.

51 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

Okay, I'm getting frustrated with the B&B YouTube channel posting chopped up episodes. They actually missed the scene that featured the first slap Stephanie ever gave Brooke?! That's simply unacceptable! 

Why is the YT channel cutting episodes? It's not like they have to make room for commercials, or do they?

Queen Stephanie and her bitch slaps are everything and it was a shame that the classics last year did not give us a week of the best of Queen Stephanie.

@Sasha66 I'd say 1984, as that was the year that Y&R became Y&R as we know it today.

@AMCOLTLLover Victor Newman was introduced as a villain but became an anti-hero.

@j swift Victor's childhood backstory from 1984.

Maybe someday the Christmas 1981 episode where Victor first reveals info about his childhood will surface.

1 hour ago, titan1978 said:

Y&R- a hopeful ending is when John returns and they got Jabot back.  Again, a nice cap on a driving point of story for many characters and a renewed focus on the family that reinvigorated the show.  I can’t remember if Katherine and Jill were “related” yet when John died, so I would never want to end it there!

1998 was the last excellent year for Y&R so if it had ended in 1999 with John Abbott's return and the Abbott family getting Jabot back, that would've been a perfect ending. We'd have been spared storylines from 2000-2006 that caused long-term damage that the show never really recovered from (ie. Victor's stolen DNA, Jill's parentage rewrite, Cassie's death, John Abbott's death).

B&B I think should've ended sometime between 1999-2002. The consensus on this board draws the line at 2003 being the start of the decline. I personally thought B&B's tank era was summer 1995 to spring 1999 and I stopped watching after the Jabot/Newman crossover wrapped up in spring 1999.

@soapfan770 1996 was just a mess overall. There was Nick and Sharon eating the show up until the spring, then the lull started in the fall which carried through the first half of 1997. In between was Who Shot Victor and in all honesty that was the only storyline worth watching that year.

Dr. Josh was Nikki's rebound from Victor disappointing her (remember Nikki thought she and Victor were about to reunite, then Victor went to Kansas to be with Hope and Adam in the aftermath of Cliff's death). Also a plot device to keep Nikki and Victor apart.

@Broderick Thanks for the insights. I noticed a few similarities w/ Stuart and Bill as far as storylines go:

Stuart was a newspaper publisher. Bill was a magazine publisher.

Stuart was suspicious of Snapper. Bill was suspicious of Ridge.

Stuart exposed Snapper's cheating to Chris. Bill exposed Ridge's cheating to Caroline.

Stuart preferred Greg for Chris instead of Snapper. Bill preferred Thorne for Caroline instead of Ridge.

@Broderick Another Y&R/B&B character comparison for your insights, Stuart Brooks vs. Bill Spencer.

Brenda Dickson is so extra 

1985 is when she got OTT in her acting and it got worse during 1986 and 1987.

During the Bill Bell years, would we consider Bill Spencer to be a villain? I got the impression that Bill Bell wrote Bill Spencer as a more villainous version of Stuart Brooks.

@j swift I had mentioned that both Dina and JoAnna had abandoned their families and re-entered their lives years later.

With TL's Jack, I think he was Dina's favorite child and his mother abandonment issues resulted in his playboy behavior and seeking his father's love and approval, but of course messing up while doing so and not being able to live up to his father's legacy. I don't remember TL's Jack wanting to be a parent. I seem to recall him setting up an appointment for a vasectomy not long after Patty approached him about having a child. Patty got pregnant anyway but miscarried.

Albert walked out on his family and left a pregnant Cora unable to care for Victor and the child on the way, that's why Victor was placed in the orphanage. Victor was abandoned by both parents. I can't recall if Cora raised Matthew or if he was eventually placed in the orphanage.