ILoveTracyQ

Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

Let's spec on the spoilers:

What do you think the interaction with Scott and Tracy will be, if any?

She's married to Luke, there's got to be some.

spec talk over

And Debbie I concur with your analysis of why Tracy was outside so long. Great job of analyzing it BTW.

Ya'll.....I so just want Tracy to find love.

It hurts my heart.

And I *hope* we do get the comforting scenes, and they happen Monday, but I'm afraid they got cut.

They were spoiled to happen today.

Staci.....the thing that was supposed to happen today that got cut was

Tracy comforting Luke

But I guess that could happen Monday?

About Lacy vs. L&L.....I don't care. I just want Tracy to be loved.

Coleman, Scott, the mailman, the butler....ANYONE !!

I will go on record as saying I think TIIC had an AWESOME opportunity to make something of Lacy, and they've blown it.

The only saving grace has been TG/JE bringing it in their scenes.

I'll also go on record as saying I'll fully support Lacy if Luke has a revelation....but the same old same old? NU_UH.

Ain't gonna fly.

I'll also go on record as saying I think Jane and Tony click together better, and I also think Tracy fits Luke better now than Laura does.

I cannot wait for dinner tomorrow, anyone else?

My stomach just growled thinking about it.

No Reg it's not you. you're one of the sane, rational, fair L&L fans.

There aren't many.....

I have to say, people (read: L&L fans) have been ragging on Tracy since Laura's been back.

Well some people were doing it before.

Anyhoo....it does not make my online life fun.

It literally sucks whatever fun I get out of Lacy scenes right out of it, if I go online, I have to tell you.

I also have to say, I *do* think Genie's got one more return coming, and even if she doesn't, the vast majority of L&L's are NEVER going to accept Luke with anyone else.

And again, that just makes my online experience miserable, to tell you the truth.

Not because I think Lacy are all that. But that Tracy/Jane is either mostly ignored, or bashed.

I DO think Lacy are good and I like them, but it's hard to support them when sooooo many people are busy telling me how Tracy will NEVER measure up.

*shrug*

yeah I think some things got cut.

I think they put the montage in to fill the gaps.

Today there were Tracy things spoiled that didn't happen, that to be fair might happen Monday, but really.....after that, we might see her ONCE during December.

No skin off my nose to take a break....although, taking a break from GH is silly for me since I only watch when Jane is on and will continue to watch when she's on.

So meh.

*shrug*

SOD stuff:

or SOW or one of them, a JE letter was published. Think it was Debbie's? HEE.

Bet it was.

Also, there's that rumor that Tracy and Scott team up to gaslight Luke to drive him crazy.

Scotty IS coming back.

But I have a feeling TIIC are going to make him the real killer of Rick Webber, and probably show him in cahoots with Helena to drug Laura to keep her from remembering.

Scott Baldwin was NOT a murderer.

If they do that, I hope TRacy is the one that figures it out, and Scott kills her.

Then Jane and I can finally be FREEEEEEEEE !

Cause God knows that I don't give a rat's BUTT about anything else on this show.

BTW someone at SZ just told me they saw scenes with LUke and Tracy filmed at the HS, I guess those are the ones on Monday?

*crosses fingers*

Okay, after THAT, I'm breaking from GH.

Unless Tracy's on.

Then I won't.

So Jane's scenes got CUT again?????

Gee, I guess they didn't need her for propping duty today.

I have no reason to watch then.

I have no doubt her scenes on Monday will be cut as well.

I'm officially on my GH break.

See you guys !

I think GF's return or the possibility of it is something we should prepare ourselves for.

WOW, what misleading spoilers. And they were "official" network ones, too.

Jane rocked it though, and I wonder what you all think about the significance of her still being outside right at the spot where Luke chopped down the tree, when Dillon and then Edward came by.

Had to be a little time passing. I'm just thinking, was Tracy expecting Luke to come back? Was she staring at the chopped down tree and comparing it to her marriage? Was she just too sad to go back inside where it was warm? And I loved how Jane chose to react mostly angrily to him, although you could see the pain, too.

Also, funny that it was warm enough for an outdoor wedding yet suddenly cold enough for a jacket outside.

I think Dillon and Edward's roles should have been reversed, but I guess Dillon still worships Luke to an extent and it would be less likely for him to say Tracy deserved better.

I did like both scenes though, and how sweet that Dillon gave his mom his jacket.

I like Luke and Tracy sooooo much better than Luke and Laura as well.

What's going to happen to Jane?

Eww. We're staying positive, so I'm stepping away from that one.

Today will be better. *she says, gritting her teeth*

You see, I thought LUke gets drunk and angry today and THAT'S when he goes off on her.

We'll see I guess.

The thing about Tracy is, she's good with lots of different men.

That's mostly due to Jane, but she does have the ability to love ALL kind of men.

As to who her best match is?

Not even a contest now. Luke.

In days past I would have said Marco Dane.

And in a strange way, I really liked her and Coleman.

Those three, for the Tracy she is now, are the best options.

But GA who played Marco is dead, Blake Gibbons who played Coleman is on recurring, and AG as Luke has another woman in his heart.

See? Our girl is stuck between a rock and a hard place. *sigh*

ETA:

So if you're not on the Lunacy Bus Reg.....why the Luke pimping?

Am I missing something? I'm confused. LOL

Awwww.....Reg.

*sniff*

When did you get so heavy on the Lacy bus, and where are the rest of your fics?

I find it profoundly sad that Edward, who has spent most of her developing years drilling into her head that she is nothing, is the one now telling her she deserves better.

A little late, Ed. And it makes me more sad for what Tracy might have been, and how more well rounded, if she would have simply believed all this time, that someone out there could and would love her, because she WAS worthy of it.

I miss the twinkly flirtation, too.

I don't know. *sigh* this is really just a no-win situation, her being married to Luke. Because even if Laura were killed off, the most die hard L&L fans will still NEVER accept him with anyone else.

With Laura alive, most of Luke's heart will be with her.

I'd *love* to think he will move on with Tracy, but history and common sense, says he will never love her the way WE know she deserves.

And it IS true, that Tracy would cease to be Tracy as we know her, if someone loved her unconditionally. She WOULD change.

I'm not sure I like that. I know Jane would play it as if she didn't change THAT much, but still.....

I'm all for a new man coming in, during one of Luke's absences, and totally getting "into" TRacy.

The story could be he's conning her, or not, he could be a bad guy, or not, but ultimately the man's presence causes Luke to open his eyes.

OR the man and Tracy get together and stay together.

But he should definitely be someone that challenges Tracy. A Luke like character, but without Luke's hangups.

Oh I don't know.

I just have heard Skye say she wants more than Luke can give. So far I haven't heard Tracy say that out loud.

It wasn't until Laura came back that anyone even bothered to tell her she deserved better.

I think:

Tracy, like she told Skye, had gotten to the point where she didn't believe in love anymore.

Tracy, unlike Skye, has never had a man TRULY love HER.

Unless you count Larry, I think he did in the beginning.

Tracy has been told by her very father, the one who told her today she deserved better (?), that no one would ever love her.

She's been told that by other people.

She's NEVER had a man she loved, that didn't cheat on her, even Larry.

Is she pathetic for still wanting Luke?

If he goes back to skirt chasing, yeah I'd have to say she is.

Is she pathetic for accepting that another woman has her husband's heart (or most of it?)

If this were RL, I'd say yes.

Since it's a soap, I'd say Luke and Tracy STILL have the potential to have *something*.

I don't think Tracy can or will ever have a conventional marriage or romance.

The fact that she's a loser in love defines part of who she is.

It just does.

I used Skye because Skye is still young enough to believe that there is a man out there that will put her first.

Tracy gave up on that a long time ago.

I don't think Tracy's pathetic, but I get how others might think she is.

Oh Staci no you won't.

Quit your lyin'.

Hmm...maybe TOMORROW is the day he ignores her?

Tomorrow should be good as well.

Breakroom for a few minutes, anyone?

I'm at work and of course have work to do, but I need a break.

ETA nevermind, I can't get in. LOL

And Reg? The fixation on Tracy? I think it's because it's so obvious right now what a loser in love she is. And she always, even through her plotting and scheming, shows us her heart and her pain.

That's just a small part of it for me.

I am really interested in what they're going to do with Lacy now.

Tracy isn't Skye, so she can put up with being third or fourth best.

So I wonder..........

And I hope tomorrow turns out to be more than today sounded like it was.

Sorry ya'll.

I know my attitude is horrible.

I guess I'm letting this show get to me more than I should, and I don't mean to offend anyone, or their favorites.

Online is not a happy place for me right now.

GH is not a happy place for me right now.

I'm just sooooo frustrated.

And knowing TIIC, they probably DID cut some of Jane's stuff, and even if they didn't, she's just a prop to Luke, and it REALLY gets to me, more than it should.

Anyway, sorry ya'll.

I'm taking another break when TG leaves, unless JE is getting airtime, and from the spoilers, I doubt it.

You know, I have gotten a little nervous what with all the "Dillon is going into Sason territory" rumors, and the possibility of Lacy divorce.

But I think as long as TG is around JE is safe.

I hate that means she may never get a real romance, but at least WE get HER.

Seriously? She asked for a divorce?

HEE.

EH, the moderator, Jeff, asked everyone yesterday to stop the BalloonPosts with all the multiple replies, SHeri did the LP today but the LP never has 1,000 replies like the other big posts do.

Anyway, lots of people in a snit over it.

I think it's silly. If you have something to say, say it in a main post or in a reply to another post.

So I think a lot of people may be boycotting or something.

He asked it because he said it was hanging up the board, but some people think it's because others complain about the BIG posts.

I don't know. But also I think a lot of people are on the road for Thanksgiving. Not nearly as many people watching today I don't think.

Eh, SZ rarely says anything about Jane or Tracy.

They're mostly L&L or Laura fans, so I don't expect them to.

I see it as a GOOD sign for me when they don't say much.

It means they're stunned because they actually got to watch a good actress REALLY act.

The saddest part of all?

Is that (spoiler for anyone who hasn't watched, recaps follow)

I predicted last night in the BR it would go almost exactly that way.

I predicted Lulu instead of Luke going to the Q's for Christmas ornaments, and the whole thing being over mid show and Tracy finding Luke at the HS because I really didn't think Luke would have the guts to go to the Q mansion, but I was wrong.

I was right enough though...that it makes me sad how well I know Guza by now.

ETA oh yeah and the "my WIFE" thing, I predicted that too. Scary, HUH??? *SIGH*

From some sites, no one was woo-hoo'ng Jane's performance, so I was thinking we got nothing.

Thank you Reg for letting me know otherwise.

Can't wait to watch tonight.

recap talk over

Staci.

*shakes finger*

What did I TELL you?

Honey, we are going to have to get you a stress ball or something.

There's a REASON I don't talk GH with people I know, especially my mom.

My mother was probably cheering Big Alice on, if she watched it at all.

OTOH, my mom's like me, she can take GH or leave it, and can walk out of the room and not care if she's missing something.

Well.....I can't miss the Tracy stuff. But everything else, I can toss or keep.

We are a strange lot, us Tracy fans.

We "get" her, and not everyone does.

That makes us SPESHUL.

Just remember that, the next time your mother deliberately tries to antagonize you. Just keep repeating to yourself, "I'm special and you're nottttttt......"

Because we're mature and all that.

Remember: We're SPESHUL !

LURVED the fics, Debbie and Reg. Loved them.

Bawled at both.

I'm a sap, and one more time, WHY can't we get that kind of stuff on screen?

*sigh*

And ETA welcome Lady Ashton !

Great story Reg.

I'd like to make a request from someone though.

I need something peppy and comical, but touching.

Any takers?

Because we're about to have enough angst tomorrow and likely the day after.

I need some LIGHT.

Anyone??

*cough*

an update of "Oh Baby" would be appropriate........

ETA and heeere's Staci, right on cue !

Sorry, no breakroom for me. I'm at work and I have GOD knows how many cases to finish, and one more interview to do.

Maybe later if I stay late, which I probably will.

Oh I *want* Tracy to come in first too.

And maybe, right before JE leaves for good, they can write that story for her.

But it's not going to be with Luke.

Even if Genie announced she's never coming back, and Laura was killed off, I still don't think Tracy could ever be first, even then.

Sadly, even with how things have gone with LUke, this is about the best Tracy has had it, "relationship" wise.

On this GH I have learned to compromise, and I really do enjoy Lacy. I DO think Luke loves her, and I also think that if not for Laura, Tracy would be first.

But......Laura's a reality that will never go away, even in catatonia or death.

And I kinda like that Tracy and Luke's love is more a best friends kind of love (although I feel the undercurrents of potential passion there, even if we never see it).

I like it, because it IS different for Luke, because he and Laura were never really "friends" in spite of Laura's "my best friend" comment.

Friends is something L&L never really were, except for the first five minutes they knew each other.

With Tracy, Luke has a FRIEND.

I love it. I've always said Tracy works better in friendships with men than as romantic partners, and this way, she can have both.

But the humiliation? Yeah, friends don't do that to each other. And that would have to stop.

Or I'll be a DeadLukeFF.

I didn't watch Friday.

My reasons for wanting off the Lunacy bus, is that there has been no conceivable growth.

And I mostly blame it on the writing, but I have no reason to believe that when TG comes back in January, that Lacy won't go back to the same exact way they were before. I can't support that.

I've already said Laura in one form or another will always be hanging around. That's not a surprise.

I already know Luke will bend over backwards to kiss Laura's feet. No surprise there either.

I'd LOVE for Tracy to have someone put her first, but I guess if she did, she wouldn't be herself.

I can take second best, as long as the humiliation stops.

If the chasing after other women continues, etc,etc....I not only am off the bus, I want Luke to DIE. There's no excuse for most of the crap he's pulled.

Yes, Drunk!Tracy existed waaaayyyy before Guza.

Only when she got really upset, but still...

Anyway, this week should be good.

Of course what we might consider a breakdown and what TIIC consider a breakdown, are likely two different things.

Yes, I think for a few minutes anyway, Tracy will be a complete mess.

And why not?

If I'd been through what she's been through in the past few weeks (well by THEIR time, it's likely days, not weeks), I think I'd have a serious melting myself. Or come close to it.

I am anxious to see Jane play it, and I hope it gets more than five minutes airtime.

I'm on the Lacy bus because I like what they COULD be. I see the potential. But I want Luke to treat her better, or the marriage needs to end.

I've still got one foot on/one foot off the Lunacy bus.

You know I think Tony Geary is charming, most of the time, in interviews.

But I just hate how he continually says that Lacy serves both Luke and Tracy well.

Okay Tony, I give up. How is Lacy serving Tracy well?

*crickets*

Yeah that's what I thought.

Anyway, I watched Thursday's first scene with Luke and Tracy and I shut it off. I don't think I can go on and watch the rest. I don't think I want to.

I LOVE the possibility of Lacy, the chemistry between the actors, the rapport between JE/TG.

But TG said he wanted to play a different beat after this, and not the same old same old, and let's hope he also meant with Lacy as well as his children.

Or else, I'm not only off the Lunacy bus, I'm going to have to start "muting" TG/Luke in scenes with or about Tracy.

And then, I'm starting campaign "Give Tracy a love interest who will REALLY respect and love her" and not just give lip service.

And BTW, does it bug anyone else that people are hating on Tracy and Lacy, because of Luke's actions, and TG's words?

Cause it sounds pretty irrational to me. All right if it's just me but it's crazy, some of the stuff I've read on the boards.

Glad to hear you're feeling better Reg, and I happily await your fics.

Debbie, it WILL be okay.

Reg I like your Edward/Tracy scenario, but I'm thinking (or hoping) that TIIC are going to write it as more raw emotion and probably not a whole lot of talking. But who knows?

Every spoiler site has labeled it a "breakdown" or "meltdown". I can't wait to watch. I think it will almost rival the "I Want My Mommy" Speech.

And I hate how some are acting as if Tracy has no right to feel real emotions, just because she knows it's temporary. She does THINK Laura's return is temporary, because that's what Luke has told her, but I'm not sure she completely believes him, and besides that, even if Laura's return is temporary, that doesn't mean Luke will stay with her afterwards, and even if he did, it's like she'll always know she's the consolation prize. I totally "get" Tracy in this.

Jane Elliot is the best actress on this show, and I know she'll rock this week's scenes, either way.

It's funny because I was just thinking after my big long speech that what Luke and Tracy have, TIIC are afraid to show them as being "romantic" for whatever reason.

I mean why not?

What is there to be afraid of ?

Because they're "OLD?"

*snort*

Anyway, for me it's different because if TIIC aren't going to go "there", (and smirks and I both agreed Lacy are and could be HAWT), and give us more than what we're getting now? They might as well divorce and just be best friends and *maybe* that would free Tracy up for a real "romance", or as much of one as Guza will ever give her.

Am I making sense? Because Lacy could still interact and Jane would still get screentime, and if she didn't get that romance, well....*sigh*.

I don't know.

I think we're safe on her re-signing though. Someone said yesterday that unless you're the "star", they generally don't comment on comings and goings unless you're going.

Nothing on her going, so Jane must have re-signed.

eta to wave to everyone and oh yeah Ms.Q....you save those clips of the beginning of Lacy in the Q manse when Luke drugged her?

Smirks and I would love to see them again.

Breaking my silence to say that I enjoyed last night's chat in the BR, so thank you to smirks,Ms.Q,Regency, nex and anyone else I am forgetting.

LOL

Um. GH wise. There's more than one reason I've been staying offline, and to tell the truth, the more time I spend offline, the more I just don't miss it.

I miss talking to ya'll, but that's about it. I could and can and will do without the pettiness I've seen towards Tracy and Lacy as a couple on other boards. So until all this crap dies down a little, I just won't post there. I don't have anything to say really. I think GH has shellshocked me to the point of not even being able to SQUEE when Jane gets a good amount of airtime and good material.

*sigh*

It's not Jane, or Tracy's fault, that TG put in the "ILY" or that Guza wrote the whole mishmash the way he did.

Go figure. I knew it'd be written this way. BLAH.

Tracy's the main one taking the brunt of it, her...and Lacy as a couple. It seems irrational to me and it kinda irks me, so lurking or not being online at all is best for me right now.

As far as yesterday....my cable has been messed up since sometime Wednesday, so I may not even get a chance to watch if it's not fixed this weekend.

If it is fixed, I may not watch anyway. I would like to see the Tracy only stuff, but have no desire to see the rest.

Anybody got clips?

Seriously. Because I can watch the Tracy stuff in less than ten minutes and spare myself the rest.

smirks and I were talking about GF last night and whether or not she may come back.

I think Guza's already writing her return, smirks was not as hopeful, and I guess IF TIIC really only brought GF back because of the 25th Anniversary and the chance to make money by selling merchandise, they may NOT ask her back anytime soon.

I don't know.

I DO know that the spectre of Laura and the chance of Genie coming back will always be hanging over "Lacy," so we better find a way to make peace with it (not telling anyone they HAVE to, but it would be wise to accept that Laura will always be "first", even catatonic, and TIIC aren't ever going to put Tracy first, not with Luke).

That in theory doesn't bother me.

I don't care that Lacy aren't like LnL.

Matter of fact that's one of the biggest selling points with me.

NOthing about them is LnL'ish.

WONDERFUL. Because in it's own way, Lacy is much deeper, not in terms of love, but in terms of how the two of them understand each other.

How one really can't put something over on the other.

How the two actors can communicate without words (JE/TG already said this in a mag), and it shows in their portrayals, because I believe the characters can, too.

I love the "best friendship" vibe of Lacy. I love that if they are allowed to be EVER, Lacy could show how "hawt" they could be as well.

I love that type of relationship, because to me it's one of the strongest you can have.

I do think they love each other, and yes it's the BF kind of love but that's not a bad thing to me at all.

I don't need them to be a SUPERCOUPLE.

I don't need them to be soulmates, even.

Because they're kindred spirits, which is infinitely more interesting to me, and deeper for the characters and actors as well.

Oh there are days I wish Luke would die, and that Tracy would get some self esteem, and dump him, and all that.

But for the most part I still enjoy them.

It has its ups and downs, but Tony and Jane make those moments worth hanging in there.

I *hope* Tracy is not completely forgotten when Luke leaves next month, and I can't wait for next week.

A Q Thanksgiving.

Loved the start of the fic Reg and can't wait for more.

Is there going to be a bit of suspense/intrigue about how the attack happened or no? I'd love that little bit of added suspense about what happened and who did it.....