EricMontreal22

Which one was Eric?

LOL That's one reason I'm glad I don't know too many (successful) film or tv actors... I have a hard enough time sitting through a play when I know the true personality of someone in it... Yeah, Scott is back. I dunno, contracts seem less restrictive between cable and network shows--it's just time constraints (ie Alisoan Janey and Beau Bridges' on Masters of Sex and their, awful, sitcoms which have meant they've been largely absent this season.)

The episode it's featured in was one of the ones on the I Love Lucci Marathon I believe (if not, then it was the one shown on Daytime to Remember--there are those five 1970-71 B&W episodes floating around out there and I get them mixed up.)

Billy Kay pops up a lot in regional and off-Broadway theatre--his mom has had quite a bit of success on the stage so maybe that's his focus now. (On the other hand, I doubt Marty West disappearance from screens can be blamed on him doing well in theatre...)

I think the Pine Cone came in the early 80s along with Opal, etc. Of course even back then they made the same distinction that they did in the 70s--that Pine Valley was mostly a nice, well off suburb and if they had drugs or street gangs they would be in Center City (Foxy's where Opal made her daughter work, was there...)

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was one of the new FMBehr sets...

Yes, it's very much like amateur theatre. I know Perry built his reputation on those touring "inspirational" plays that usually contain a lot of audience talk back, etc, so maybe he feels for this too he has to pace the lines so that the audience can shout at the tv

Exactly. And as Vee and I said I think at the start of the thread, his direction is terrible. He doesn't help the AWFUL actors at all (like shirtless guy from the drano ads,) and his camera work is weird. He likes to have people when talking to each other, speaking DIRECTLY into the camera and I find it discomforting (no over the shoulder shot, or anything.) Sadly you missed the scene where that girl was raped by her creepy professor. It went on SOOOOO long, and he kept on making the weirdest sounds...

You are?? Why? LOL nothing you said backs up this comment.

After watching the first two episodes of Hulu's Hotwives of Orlando, I feel like I understand the appeal of Real Housewives, and now have even less of a desire to watch it.

HA. But it's classic soap pacing that he remembers from his childhood while watching Y&R!

Classic community theatre acting. (Honestly, if she was a member of a smaller rep theatre company I could see her being their star player--and I don't even mean that really, honestly, as an insult.)

I ALMOST wish I had watched this current "season," but, as enjoyably horrendously awful as I kinda found the show, I simply didn't have the time--I appreciate the thread to sorta keep track of it. I noticed that the promos for the series have gone from the very early ones--where they seemed to be trying to pretend this was a deep, Oprah-bookclub-approved, literary drama about heavy social themes, to the last one I randomly saw on TV which made it clear it was all about the camp. Vintage Tyler Perry dialogue for this show!

COMPLETELY agreed. I apparently spoke too soon, because in today's episode it was revealed he was playing Marcus... Sigh.

I believe we are about ten episodes behind in Canada, but I have been sick this weekend and caught up on several weeks of Corrie (we aso got the Tina special.) There is so much that's a mess on the show right now. But one thing that the show often was good at in the past was playing out story beats--to use one glaring example right now is Todd and Marcus. Why has Marcus decided he's in LOVE with Todd? I've seen nothing remotely romantic or appealing about the way Todd has pursued Marcus, and while I could buy that Marcus finds him attractive on some level, the fact that now they are meant to be in love just bewilders me.

Right--I agree, but compared to the books (and I have mostly made my way through the third and--I know, awful of me, into bits of the fourth) this is the smartest way they could approach that material. In the past few years I have never shown all that much respect to the showrunners, but I think it's *masterful* how they are approaching such unwieldy books. There's a reason so many "fans" hated a certain book which never even showed favorite characters--and, for good or bad, there's no way an adaptation can benefit by taking that same approach.

REALLY? You won't be offended by it? I do agree the scene was not handled as well as it could have. It felt thrown in to keep up momentum with the story--which makes sense, but still it wasn't that well executed (I did think Ramsey and Theon's bath scene was appropriately creepy and managed to suggest how much he was in control of Theon very well something which, granted, wouldn't have worked without the rescue scene. I suppose they onlyhave so many minutes to tell each story.) One critic--prob AV club--pointed out that lately the show seems to be one half an "update" on what's going on outside of King's Landing and then the rest centered on the intrigue there. I' not always satisfied by that, but, overall, I think it's a capable way to structure the way they're re-fitting the two novels they're covering right now.

Yeah that woulda amounted to stunt casting, which the show has avoided (even if Robson and Jerome fans may disagree .) I really like the actress who plays her. There's been talk about Rome having some sort of wrap up season--yet again. I doubt it will happen, but... I love Fairley and she could ALMOST make me watch 24. Almost.

I don't think you've given any spoilers at all--I've appreciated that. But I do feel like we're watching a different show--I certainly don't see a show that consists only of random plots that go nowhere nor have rhyme or reason, quite the opposite.

I apologize if I sounded like I was ganging up on you. As I've mentioned I did read the first couple of books before the show started--I was a fan. Obviously not on the level you are. I do think I've become much better than I once was at accepting that any good adaptation is gonna make changes--even changes I dislike (but then again I just posted a bitchy comment on a different format about how bland and uninspired the *trailer* alone of Constantine, the NBC adaptation of one of my favorite comics, looks so maybe I'm just a hypocrite. Or maybe I just won't watch if I dislike it as much as the trailer.) You also bring a lot of great comics to this thread, and I always read your posts. Where you utterly lose me though is comments like that Shae should not be so important on the show simply because she isn't in the books--I would think anyone still watching would move on from that point by this season, and due to the fact that the character HAS become important on the show for a long time now, it's now a moot point. Similarly "The Small Council meeting is infuriating.....they don't know ANY of this information about Dany, Mormont, or even Selmy. Only until the epilogue of the FIFTH book. Jesus Christ" Except *in the show* they do. And they gave a perfectly plausible reason as to why and how. Your complaint comes off--to me--as just complaining for the sake of complaining because I don't see you giving any reason why it's infuriating except that they shouldn't have done so until they film the epilogue of the fifth book. Why?

HOW did it though? I admit I'm not a big "Show Shae" fan, but they clearly used her partly to show and dramatize things that in the books we understood because chapters of the books were written from Tyrion's POV. It was a clever dramatic way of getting around that. I do not see how any of this "completely" destroys the "book story." That makes it sound like the tv show makes zero sense as its own story now. In fact, I'm pretty sure it'll do quite the opposite.

Exactly--and they have to keep things moving on the TV show while not making it even MORE complex the way it is in the books--it makes sense, IMHO, that the little birds, etc, would have informed them about Danni, etc (it also helps tie her oh so isolated story somewhat into the other action which is more important on a TV show than in the books--although MANY book fans complained about the progress of her story as well.)

This is how I saw the scene, too. (Although I was confused by all the cuts on his body immediately after--was that a part of the sex?) Maybe it was overkill (not that the show never does overkill)--we get it by now, but the scene sorta thematically made sense to me--cutting it with the other scene, etc, and I didn't think much of it one way or the other until reading some negative reactions. It's funny, I watched a bunch of episodes of Vicious the not very good old school gay comedy throwback sitcom with Ian McKellen and Jerek Jacobi as a bitchy older gay couple--and it took me a while to recognize the actor playing Ramsey as their nice younger neighbour...

I know, right? It's like Ron Carlivati is writing those scenes... Considering how massive Westeros seems to be, these people often seem to just happen to miss each other. Jojen doesn't have a brother (that we know of)

Oh, I actually read that at some point...