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Thanks for responding. From 1979 until 1999, I often thought about ways members of the Matthews family might return, and pull AW back toward middle-class characters, and away from so much lavish wealth.

Thank you for the information. So if Missy and Rachel interacted at Matthews family parties and holiday events in the late-1960s, then they were actively acquainted and most certainly shared scenes. And I assume, if Missy had returned to Bay City in the 1980s or 1990s, she and Rachel would have recognized one another, and would have had a generally positive (although not close) relationship. And only a complete idiot head-writer would have introduced Rachel and Missy as complete strangers in the 80s or 90s.

Yes, Russ and Rachel eventually moved into their own apartment, and were there until their marriage ended. At that point, Russ moved out and I assume Rachel and Jamie stayed there -- at least for a while.

You are absolutely correct. We are both very lucky. Lucky indeed.

I'm not sure exactly when Labine left Love of Life, but it was before the Ben recast and the silly and vague "Ben get's raped in prison" plot. Labine likely could have written a male rape storyline. and pulled it off successfully. But nobody else, with the exception of Agnes Nixon, could have possibly written a compelling and believable male rape plot in 1976-77. Sadly Claire Labine had moved on to Ryan's Hope, and the prison rape plot was left to sub-par writers who made a mess of it.

Actually it was Jonah Lockwood/Keith Whitney. But Hell yes, that Slesar storyline would be in my Top 5 favorites!! From Laurie Ann dating Jonah(Keith), to Nancy and Martha in Jamaica finding a scorpion in Nancy's bed, to the Keith Whitney reveal after falling from that tower. Jesus Lord -- that was compelling drama!!

If I remember correctly, after Walter Greaza retired, Winston Grimsley still turned-up on Edge of Night on the Christmas Day episodes for several years. Sometimes Mike and Nancy knew he would be stopping by, and other years Winston would just knock at their door unannounced. It was always wonderful to see him. Not sure when his final appearance on Christmas Day was, but it may have been 1973 or 74.

I remember the Capice's leaving the show, but I don't remember the details. In fact, all these years I thought they just disappeared, rather than moving-away on camera. I do remember one scene that began with Nancy standing at her front door saying good-bye to Louise. But the audience saw Louise only from the back as she walked away. Louise didn't have any lines. I believe that was technically Louis's final scene, even though the actress (Mary K Wells) was not present. I could be wrong about that. Since Phil Capice left a year before Louise, was Phil said to be still in Monticello, but just not on-screen? Or did he have a good-bye scene when Ray MacDonald left? I always believed Ray MacDonald left EON because he was cast in a much larger role on All My Children. But if your dates are correct, that is probably not the case. One thing I've noticed about EON is there were an unusual number of adopted children, and relatively few pregnancies. Certainly fewer pregnancies than other 30-minute soaps. That seemed to change in the later years of the show. Perhaps TPTB thought having characters pregnant for 9-months prevented them from being involved in the action (murder, crime, mysteries), and that the audience might be uncomfortable seeing a pregnant woman being involved with that kind of danger. I'm just speculating here.

Well, in the mid-1970s, most soap cities were still small towns. Most didn't morph into major cities until the 1980s. And Labine seemed fine with that. I don't remember a lot of details about her plots. There was one about the crooked Mayor of Rosehill who had married Van's sister, Meg. Another about a man married to two women (or about to marry a woman, while still married to his former wife), and another about an middle-aged married woman having an affair with a much younger man. I don't recall much similarity to what she wrote on Ryan's Hope -- other than simply good compelling characters and plots.

The biggest identifiable thing they did was to mine the show's past, and bring back Van's sister and nephew, who had been major characters in the 1950s. Aside from that, they were generally better writers than the previous folks. When Labine came on board, LOL became compelling, and I did not want to miss an episode. Sadly, when Labine left, the show almost immediately went down-hill and became a boring predictable mess.

I don't know for sure, but I assume Sara Louise died as a child. Because Louise and Phil Capice (her parents) remained on the show until the early 1970s. And I don't remember them having a living daughter. Now, were Louise Capice and Laurie Ann's mother sisters? Reason I ask is, Laurie Ann refers to Winston Grimsley as her grandfather, and I believe Winston Grimsley was Louise Capice's father. So was Winston also Sara Karr's father? Were Sara and Louise sisters?

I understand all that, because I was watching the show back in 1984. I was just commenting on how unusual it was to see Rachel in the Matthews' (a family she previously hated) house. But I do understand the situation on that Christmas eve.

Thank you for posting this. So respectful that they mentioned Winston Grimsley during one of the final episodes. And of course, mentioning the surname Capice, which hadn't been spoken in a script for at least a decade, was also very meaningful to long-term fans. I'm a bit surprised no mention was made of Phoebe Marceau, since Laurie Ann and Phoebe had been teen-age and young adult friends. Still, a nice tribute to the past in Monticello.

Is there a way to see the photos from Melissa Ordway's IG account without joining IG?

Thank you for the information. So what I saw on FB is at least partially true. I will say -- the photos I saw appeared they had rebuilt the original Chancellor set. But perhaps they have just repainted and wallpapered the existing set. Anyway, it looks better. Now, could the news about the return of the Chancellor set have any connection to this spoiler from several posts above: "Trouble is on the horizon for Abby and Devon" ???

Posting here in Spoilers, because some might consider this news a potential spoiler: Has anyone else seen the article on Facebook about the return of the Chancellor mansion? There is a post (with photos) claiming the Chancellor mansion will be important to an upcoming storyline regarding an ownership conflict. The photos gave the impression the set has been rebuilt and returned to its original colors, wallpaper, and camera orientation. On the other hand, the pics looked a little AI-ish. So I'm not sure what be believe. If anyone knows anything about this, please chime in.

That's cool. I didn't remember she had attended the wedding reception.

Regarding the December 24, 1984 episode: Wow, Rachel at the Matthews house?? I bet Rachel hadn't had a scene on that set in at least a decade. LOL.

Are Y&R's ratings tumbling down yet? The sooner the better, because we will not get a new head writer until the ratings fall significantly. Apparently TPTB at Y&R and CBS care nothing about quality or the legacy of Bill Bell. As long as ratings remain high, TPTB are happy. Not exactly a creative perspective...

I agree and was going to say the same thing. The smiles and laughs from Karla during those scenes with Cady seem genuine. They have such a great rapport. I just wish we could get more episodes from Cady. Yes, we need more episodes with Cady. TPTB have made the character too important to show up for only two episodes every couple of months. And that part (such limited appearances) is not working, in my opinion. I do realize Cady is not on contract and she doesn't live in Atlanta. But if TPTB could convince her to shoot twice as many scenes as she typically does while in Atlanta, those scenes could be spread out over more episodes which would make her absences less obvious. For example, if Cady typically flies to Atlanta for two days to shoot scenes, ask her to stay for four days and shoot even more scenes. That plan would not involve additional trips to Atlanta, but simply asks her to stay a bit longer each time she visits. She can shoot scenes that can be used in episodes two or three weeks later, or maybe even a month later. Or better yet, just offer Cady a contract and make her a regular.

I agree. I don't like it when soaps change generally good characters into evil maniacs. The justification never hits as believable, and the entire endeavor always just seems like lazy writing -- "Oh, this good character isn't working and has no chemistry with anyone, so rather than improving our writing -- let's just take him/her to the dark side." Then the "good" character suddenly becomes a bad character. Unfortunately this has been done dozens of times on soap operas since the early 1980s. And as I said, it is nothing more than low-integrity lazy writing.

Well, slow-rolling is the right word for it. Because we haven't seen him or even heard his name mentioned for a month and a half. I sure hope the poor actor didn't move to Atlanta for this job.

Well, I'm thankful for that. Although I enjoy Cady as Pamela, the character is nearly irrelevant at this point. Appearing in two episodes every two-months is ridiculous. I love Cady, but she needs to either fish or cut-bait. And I'm assuming Greg Vaughn must have been a one-and-done role. Sad, because Kial and Nicole definitely had some chemistry.

Where are Cady McClain and Greg Vaughn? Any news of either of them returning?

There is so much I love about BTG. Most of all -- the storylines seem believable. We don't see any super-spies, freezing the world, saving the world, three back from the deads in one year, clones, campy attempts at comedy, or anti-aging serum. We do get domestic drama, class-conflict, medical drama, occasional heartbreak, and a bit of romance. It's not exactly "realistic", so I refer to it as "believable." That's the kind of soap opera stories I was raised on.