Mitch64

I was and thank you, what a great early Christmas present! I remember watching this on my good old VCR at the time, after work with a glass a wine and spitting it out at the line and Reva's reaction! I liked Moniz but the one note they wrote her was tiresome. I wish after her accident she grew up a bit and became a force to be reckoned with like Van, who by the way they dress and makeup to look so frumpy here. I really do now understand Kimmer bitching that they were trying to make her the new Bert Bauer (except Bert was never sanctimonious) I would have loved old Reva to resurface here go after Dinah, which would make the old Van resurface to put her in her place, and it would be Shayne and Chamberline blow out with dumb Josh as usual sitting on the sidelines trying to protect what was left of his balls. The show was dumbly entertaining at the time but we are gearing up for the clone. What was up with Matt and the doctor guy giggling together so much? It was supposed to be male bonding but it came off more like Matt was flirting. MOL was actually good before he got fat and started mugging, Beth needed to go to the Bauer house and get her old storyline back from Chele, I know Jesse was dumb but ..really? Chamberlin is good as an ice queen..which could have been a natural progression for the character if they hadn't made her manhungry pathetic while they were at it.

Lord...the screw ups that Conboy and Weston (and MADD has ultimate responsibility) had when the show was just getting its legs back. Taggert was the one who came up with the idea of Jonathon (he was going to be the real stalker..though perhaps they were going to have Alex do a fake stalking to distract Ace Reporter Reva, which they ultimately did, but then there was really no stalker at all...) and they screwed that up with Sandy and the sock puppet, putting Cassie with her former tormenter (who also tried to kill her sister and her nephew) bringing back Cole, the MaryAnne storyline, changing Alex from a calm cool manipulator who had good intentions, to a crazed drug dealer (supposedly picking up on Marjs' frentic energy ) Ben Reade serial killer (blaming it on being molested by his teacher) Mac n' Cheese Alan and Gus a Spaulding, Ed slapping Michele in the Bauer kitchen of all places...I think they take the prize for most destructive in such a short time! You could also tell Kreizman was practically cosplaying he was big bad Jonathon and that he was figurately wacking off as Harley being his girlfriend. But that all comes down to Wheeler as the producer, she should have reigned him in...all of it comes down to producers watching day to day writing and Wheeler was in over it.

Ha..it always reminds me of the woman who got almost got hit by a car as she was crossing the street, she was so worried about Prince Richie kicking the bucket, she almost did herself. And you are creating content for THAT audience?!?? But throw in the Zimmer fans she whipped up into a frenzy whenever she was off for two minutes...LW sucking up to the writers and taking them out for drinks to suggest stories, the Manny/Mattessa/Gush fruitcakes, producers like Wheeler who may have cared but did not invest enough time to research the show's past..its amazing that anything remotely lucid got aired!

I thought he was there to the end, but maybe he was just like a fart that wouldn't dissapate and he kept stinking up the place. Having Reva, marry a guy who looked like her exkindahusband, who screwed both her sister and her daughter, and who was a rapist...was really OTT. Whatever you say about the Reva character, her being molested by Preacher, or whatever his name was..was a big thing about the character (and some of Zimmer's best underrated work, with the confrontation of molester...) Anyway, Conboy brought him back with big money...God knows why, he was a very niche taste.

But the sad thing is that should have all been done before.....Ed and Lillian should have had a discussion on Mo's death, their responsibility, their guilt and their grief, and that bad mojo hanging over GL might have lifted a bit...also, Alan used up his usefullness years ago and was nothing more then an ineffective mustache twirling grump. He should have died at least 5 years before (finding out Phillip and Liv were getting it on and he croaks would cause angst for the former golden boy now patriarch...) Hell, when they had Buzzard buy Company Nola should have been there to say goodbye to the place (and give her usual sass..."It looked better when we had it," ...indeed...) Maybe with some small touches of care..the last years woudlnt seem so..BAD! This alone was a testament to her bungling...but keeping Cole on and continuing to push him as the answer to every women in SF's dream...(and he cost a pretty penny for some reason) pushing the Coopers as the wholesome core family. I don't blame the budget on her, but the material I do. This was the problem with their thinking, Brad Freaking Cole is too hot a property to let go but not the patriarch?

Agreed. But I always thought of the Reardons of the extensions to the Bauers, via Mo, and they had plenty to bulld on there. Bea should have been brought back on contract when Bert died...(instead we got Ms. Sally and Sarah who was cut off from the rest of the cast and fixated on Reva. JFP put a knife in it by killing Mo, but they still had Bridget and Matt referring to "Uncle Ed." But then McLaiby came on and cut all ties with Bridget never interacting with Ed or Michelle who she loved, and even having Chelle call Nola "Mrs Chamberline"...uh, that;s your aunt you big dummie. I would have liked to have Rick and Bridget have a kind of friendly sibling thing that slowly turns into something more (MOL never gave off passion vibes so its okay for them to have a companionable thing) which freaks them both out (maybe Peter is sick and Rick takes care of him and things devlope..with Roger not liking that at all.."I guess Bauers like to take everyone else's kids as their own."

She does, pretty high level I thought too. During one of those reunions (Cooper, I can't believe I would watch a minute of it...) she said that Frank D's kid was at a presentation for scholarships or something, and she was like "Are you Frank D's kid?" so it seems they don't keep in touch that much. Good for her for finding another life out of soaps and acting. She always seemed pretty smart and sometimes smart people are, difficult.

Was she still alive(Sylvie)? I think Colin is the only actress who can make Deas palatable (or maybe its just that he was younger, not so full of himself and played a nicer character) but she never let him step over her lines, and as much as you can see she adores him to this day (God love ya Colin) which I think is very cool (as annoying as he is on screen I really like that they are kind of like Tom and Margo in real life, these strong headed people who somehow make it work) she doesnt seem the type to let him run over her like Fiona did.

Actually ratings fell as Kobe/Long made a sudden change from their own formula. Up to the fall there were all the families firmly in action, with the addition of the Lewis' and Reva...it really was a good example of how to bring in a. new family as everyone in town seemed freaked out by them and their..."yes-HAW" ness. The Bauers had Ed, Mike and Long was creating a triangle with Mike and Lil and Alex, the Reardons were expanded by Long...(She never got Nola after they married her off) the Spaulding's were the same with the addition of Alex and Lujack...there were cracks starting that summers as the Lewis and Reva were taking more and more of the airtime and Van immediately quit Spaulding and became a housefrau with no explanation, but they had a great formula..and then for some reason, they just threw it all away for shoulder pads, Lewis Oil, Reva 24/7 the 4 Ms all skipped college and basically broke up, Hillary killed off, Mike written off, Ed recast and the Reardon's dismantled. I would love to know the backstage story of that time and who hopefully paid the price when the ratings tanked.

I do agree that Harley and the Coopers as this fringe family worked well..Harley and Frank only had each other (and poor Pops) and Beth at that time was totally different then any soap actress. Maybe make them be next door to the Boardinghouse or something to intro them. It wasnt until later that the Coopers became the "Super Dooper Coopers" who were better then any other family in SF.

Olivia??? Ed???? Lillian???If you say Buzz...I will go nutso!!!! When Long introduced Reva and Alex..the rest of the families were still going strong...(plus Alex was a core family member..if totally retro written out of the blue...)

Agreed, the Bauers needed rebuilding...it was just awkward with the "new" Bauers..maybe make them Mike's step kids that he adopts. Maybe Harley should have been a Reardon grandkid..ala Bridget, who Bea or Mo took in. Speaking of Faux Bauers, its weird that Long wrote off Bea, but brought in Johnny's parents, put them on contract, they moved into the Boardinghouse, and then she never did anything with them. A Sam/Dinah competition would be fun, and it would take Dinah away from the eternal triangle with Crassie!

After it became apparent that the Bauers were never going to make a comeback I wanted the Marlers take their place (after Ed left I would have them move into the Bauer House as Blake spent better part of her childhood there) and bring back Sam. A Sam/Dinah jealousy would be good (Dinah not happy that Sam is Ross's idea of a "perfect" daughter) and LK worked better as an eccentric warm hearted person who screwed up then the hold Blake/Vixen mode ) But instead they put the Coopers in as core...with that horrible simpering cutesy Marina recast.

I remember they were going to recast Chele...hopefully without Danny..(killed in a hit..and Chele gets protected by a hot cop...NOT Frank..) I always think that CBS was a little upset that GL started looking like it was getting its act together...though I suppose it was too little too late and they are going to do it anyway.

I think a lot of that was due to Ehlers "energy" as Zimmer called it in her book. Either just the vibe she was giving or the writers taking cues from her life (maybe some maliciously) but the actress is well known for sabotaging her own life with the various relationships and attitude at work.

Wow...and I thought that I really didn't like Nadine! I think that a small family service would be good, with a couple of other people like Bridget there...Vanessa would go cause she would feel she "had" to as in some strange way Peter got to her through Nadine, Ross would go as he used to schtump her...(who didn't he thought, except Reva (that God) Alex (she laid a kiss on him though) and Maureen.?) Just having everyone think she left town would be weird, even Nadine would have to get in contact with her kids once in a while. I thought that Nadine and Nola would be kind of fun, in an Ab Fab kind of way, with Nola being able to talk her into some of her schemes..."Here Nadine, put this wig on, your going disguised as a maid to get into Alan's study...."but other then goofiness there was nothing more for her to do...and I was over her pining over Buzzard!

Actually, she was psychic before during the JFP era..I think it was when GhostReva was floating around and she felt her. It was just a gimmick to give another Cooper something to do, but with Nadine they could have made her the Aunt Clara of psychics, always getting some detail wrong and everyone rolling their eyes at her latest Everyone knew her..Josh, as she was married to Billy, Ed, Holly (she had a talk show at WSPR) Alex, Bridget (I hated the attic hiding the baby thing, but I loved the Bridget/Nadine relationship where Bridget always insulted her clothes ) Vanessa (though there was history there.) When they brought Buzz on they severed all of that to have Nadine stuck at the diner, chasing after Buzz or listening to that dullard Lucy.

Ha..I loved the Reardon kitchen..the little touches like the fading rose wallpaper and the wooden hutch made it look like an old victorian house..too bad Rauchie didnt care for the set or the Reardons...(I remember a bad kitchennette he gave Nola in her "Stalking Buzz" days in her room. Rauchie, its not a flop house...) Nadine also had the trucker guy who wanted to be with her but she was hung up on Buzzard. So McTrash forgot he existed (or he left town) but they could have had her just marry him and leave town happy.

No there is a scene out there in the diner, where Frank tells Buzz and the scenery chewing commences...and I am sure the mags, and some fans, thought Deas was once again, hitting out of the ballpark ..(I am sure the fans at Yankee Stadium could hear Deas drowning then all out...)It was equal only to when Reva tells Buzz she is dumping him and he is racing back and forth on the set, flapping and screaming that even Zimmer is standing there at a loss (which was good, as the set could not take both of them chewing it up!) I really don't remember a funeral but I could be wrong, maybe Frank laid a rose on her in the station. I never liked Deeney but even I thought that was a crappy way to treat her...(first murdering her...then dumping her body in the diner garbarge..then making a joke out of it, "Have a little dinner food Deeney" ...the letting her rot away while everyone thought they skipped town...) GL still bruised from killing one Mom, goes and kills another?

LOL..I watched that scene not long ago and can't believe how over the top and cartoonish he was acting. I actually felt sorry for Frank D. The woman you shat on for years and ignored at best, instead of quiet mourning, he is screaming like his taxes just went up again! No Nadine did not get a proper funeral. After mouldering away in the lake, when they found her she sat on a slab and Frank's cop partner said a rosary or prayer over her. I forgot about his female cop partner, they were trying to make them a item for a bit but it didn't work, but with the right actress could have been interesting as the Frank/Eleni thing was dead in the water with MK.

It's weird that Marland was introducing those elements as he was only supposed to be short term? I also would like to know if he started the "Joyce is back" story sending Nancy and Chris to San Francisco..(perhaps Joyce would see them there and follow them home.)

its on Youtube...try searching "Lisa at the Willows" and some of it comes up.Yes, the Dobs wanted to finish up some GL stuff and were forced into moving to ATWT...and it showed.

LOL..you could have left off..."gave a bad name" and there you have it, well at least he did give me a woodie...(ha-ha) I never was that into abs, but thought he just was more handsome then the usual soap "studs" and brought a "really, you think I'm good looking?" vibe to it. Frost had good chemistry with the Craig actor and thought she fit in well with her TV family...I never really felt Ryan connect to anyone but Steve..( and I love Lyla giving Betsy hell...) To each their own!!!!

They should have just recast DP as Alan instead of Roger. I thought he would be good, and he and Watros would be sexy together.

I liked Frost much better then Ryan. Ryan's Betsy was jittery then even Fulton's Lisa at that time....and she seemed, uh, special needs. Plus Frost had no chemistry with Runyon so we were rid of him. Really? Collier was one of the few soap "hunks" that I thought was really good (and actually very good looking of course) he wasnt the greatest actor, but he managed to make Mike seem like a nice guy who really, really didn't know that he was hot. Plus, the first Mike was played by that orangey guy..I think he was on Days right?