Mitch64

Your right. Anderson wrote the ghost Reva (only because JFP was forced to bring Kimmer on and she didn't want it permanent) E & B were the clone ..though it was forced on them and Rauch (in a rare moment of good taste) by Wendy Fishman (?) apparently, and in the Locher room writers chat Taggert said to Brown "Oh, you created the clone right"" and he was kind of annoyed "I wrote for the clone...it wasnt our choice or creation" and Gold was the paintings, which started out as a story in reincarnation (oh my God, Jeva were torturing people through the centuries with their constant break up, makes ups and marraiges) then it somehow morphed into traveling through paintings..( I always wonder if Long watched what they did to her character and what she thought...) Yea, McTavish was mean spirited..."Have some more diner food, Deenie!"

She had the hots for Blake? I don't remember that! The only thing I didn't like about it was the dumb thing about Blake being held in the lighthouse (who hasnt been?) and when she escapes, she doesnt call the cops, even to protect her own kids...she goes to do her hair..and we were supposed to think it was "Oh, that WACKY Blake!"

She's great...she just gives no f*cks and says whatever is on her mind. She tells a story about her time on AW, where they shared a studio with Bill Cosby, and Bill constantly trying to perve on her and the other actresses, which, while sad, is funny too (cause they were all, "Uh, no...YUK!")

LOL..she is like someone's cool, weird aunt, that you would smoke pot with ("Just don't tell Mark's mom...she will freak out and that is not my vibe!") and have to look at her "art."

I loved it as well...NBC screwed up by having it on a Friday night, but it was NBC's big demo winner despite the total audience, the expense of the show was too much. I do think it might have had no where to go as it burned so much story in its first half season, it should have been a miniseries. I wonder where you can stream it as it does kind of "end" (Vicki back in the present, safe but knowing Barnabas's secret.) And of course it had our own Ellen Wheeler in her most demanding role, as poor Phyllis, waking up just to face a fate that most GL fans would like to send her to! (kidding..I wish no harm on anyone!)

Sorry, my fault...getting the two confused as I was typing! Sonni is the "good" girl (to her father, to her family to everyone as she goes to Mass an is quiet/and in the alters she is good..) Solita is the "bad" girl (to everyone as she is adventurous and bucks authority/ and "evil" in the alters.) And yes, we were led to believe Sonni may still be fighting the Solita personality, when she is getting on the plane to leave SF they ask her is she wants "smoking, or non smoking" and you can see Sonni confused thinking about it...(Solita smoked of course!) I am glad no one ever revisted Sonni/Solita...Rauch would have made a cartoon mess of it! That is the rumor...I do think it interesting that Malloy would choose a party with his castmates to "break up" with someone, what, are you in high school? Malloy always, post the first few years of Edge, to be one of those Irish guys who are complicated, especially if you get some booze into them. But again, Sharon Rose Gabbot says he was not gay, but she, while being very open and friendly on FB with Edge fans, seems a bit eccentric.

I respect your opinion...I actually didn't HATE some of the Rauch/MADD era...and contrary to everyone on here...I LOVED Holly the stalker..she looked sexy as hell and for once during that era she wasn't sitting around getting yelled at by Fletcher, listening to Blake or just in the background...But I think one of my favorite scenes of that time sums up the era..it was during the clone, and Alan calls Holly to tell her that there was clone running around town..Holly, deep in her stalker period is drunk (she pulls a bottle from her desk) and dismisses him with a funny line I can't remember (maybe it was "Alan, I haven't had enough drinks to believe that,") It was funny, and the actors delivered it, but it was so dumb and cartoony...Alan would have gotten himself and Spaulding in a [!@#$%^&*] load of trouble, and Holly doesn't even think that this captain of industry might be going nuts so she should investigate? Alan is portrayed as in ineffectual blow hard as usual, etc. Some of the stuff during that time is really entertaining (especially after what comes later) and there are hints that its still GL...(whenever the vets are on, holidays, etc) but its like its GL Lite. Or more accurately, its like GL was suddenly on ABC...everthing was too bright and broad it just wasn't a CBS/PG soap anymore (IMO) LOL..I never got that..Sonni/Solita are sisters in a small very Catholic Venezuelan village. Sonni is a live wire rebellious girls but not evil, though her repressive dad says so and so do their conservative neighbors...Sonni was the good girl, who sneaks out to have sex with a guy about to take his priestly vows, is caught and thought to be Sonni. Sonni takes the rap for her sister, is paraded through the town and whipped, all the while being called slut, and she then kills herself, where Sonni finds her in a closet...goes nuts and assumes her "personality" through the lens of her father (sly, wicked, sexually promiscuous and just bad.) She marries Josh, falls off a cliff, they think she's dead, she wakes up and thinks she is Solita, who, along with no longer a priest cause he is evil and creepy as hell, Will (and who she has an S/M relationship with) comes back to con Josh that she is actually Sonni. I mean it's PERFECTLY clear ( to a weirdo like me who grew up on this soap nonsense!)

Larkin and Marcia were..."dating"....with an agenda. And this could have been so good...have Van back at Spaulding with her stuck in the middle..while begining to tire of Billy's borish behavior and the whole Lewis clan (Ryder wrote them all so annoying..practically everytime H.B would enter a room he would go "YEW-HA"! But yes, Pam left and it just went to Alex being conned by that dumb Simon guy. I think the writers strike may have actually helped that it went off the rails and Pam had to fix it so she went with the split..maybe? Say what you want about Long, I have never seen a show course correct a storyline as fast as she did when the strike ended and it was totally not a storyline that yo would expect from her. That storyline would never air after the dumbed down 90s...way too complicated for people to follow and even the "good" people Jeva, were not perfect. Compare that to the cartoon of Annie vs. Reva. I know Forbes says she joined a soap and thought she would stand around with big hair and shoulder pads and she was thrown into this psychosexual gothic storyline and was not expecting it. And who could resist Reva/Sonni having a catfight on Christmas Eve in a convent? He would be my idea recast for Kyle..I could imagine the chemistry he and Zimmer would have had...and just get rid of RR's Alan.

Had to be Louie.

Yes, he was supposed to be a replacement for both Josh and Alan..but it was weird, after his initial intro as a threat to the Lewises, all he did was lust after Reva, obsess over Maeve and...flare his nostrils as he threatened Hawk of all people..(I mean Jessie could have threatened Hawk and he would have been intimidated...) He was never really thrown into the Spaulding mix, as he would have been interesting fighting Alex and also Phillip. But that whole time they wasted everyone, Reva was with Cain, Alex was obsessed with Simon (dumbly obsessed) Phillip was writing his 1920s book and it was so boring and bad, Rick was addicted to pills, Faux Ed and Mo were fighting with Claire around and around, Van was wafting from being a housefrau to be a "working girl" and taking Billy's crap, Beth was working on that dumb Sampson girl campaign and I guess Liz Taylors kid was supposed to be a new romance, and Mindy was married to cute, but boring Kurt, too soon and being the Sampson Girl. I think Kyle and Cain's storyline really suffered from Long leaving..Jeff Ryder was terrible, and at the time Kobe was trying to make GL Dynasty the Daytime Edition. When CB came back and they got RN, there was no use for Kyle (and Malloy may have worn out his welcome..the GL set seemed pretty, not putting up with egos at that time. ) Kyle had a couple of confrontation with Josh, calling him the Lewis runt, and then just disappeared. His fate after that was up in the air, his new offscreen wife and baby were killed in a plane crash so that was why Reva was worried about Marah being his kid. I never knew why during Reva 2.0 they didnt bring him back. It would have been much more interesting then Prince Dickie. But, he should have been the one to find Reva and bring her back to SF and have confrontations with Josh and the Alan's storyline with Annie could have been Kyle just the same...and RR' Alan could have been written off. Sonni/Solita is the best..gothic, twisted, kinky, Reva was Real Reva, and it involved all the cast practically and was the intro to Roger's return. A golden time.

I HATED him on GL...the snarling, the flared nostrils, the affected acting...he only worked as a pr*ck. I did love him on Edge, though only when he was playing fake bad Sky...maybe after his car crash something changed but he seemed so unpleasant after that. But I did think he did a good job as the crazy doctor who invented the aging serum on ATWT. He was filmed drunk or whatever, swinging a sword out a hotel room and it was on Access Hollywood or something.

Apparently Malloy was a bit of diva himself, the guy who played Rusty commented on one of the Locher Rooms that when he first joined the show Malloy came up and said, "I'm the (leading man, heart throb, whatever) here so don't go p*ssing on my leg" which was weird as they were totally different characters...and the Roxie actress chimed in "Oh..Larkin Malloy" like she had experiences with him (which is weird as I thought she was stoned most of the time) and Zimmer even rolled her eyes. The Raven actress responded to me after I said casually that he was gay (I thought everyone knew) that "Oh, no..and I should KNOW" (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) so Larkin, was a very, interesting person.

I am actually shocked Melanie Smith was cast and written for so well. She was just too damn "sexy" for Marland's usual female character...(he usually cast less then "TV sexy" women, and had the men falling all over them..and his characters were really too uptight to ever have the kind...libido that MS' Emily had...) They really should have spent their money on a bigger studio space and forgot the shake cams. The old soaps used to have their sets up in a row an the camera on a track that moved from one to another...with the tech they had they could have had something like this. As it was they made bizzare choices with the sets...(the Spaulding den got a weird balcony with a window and a cheap ass spiral staircase...the Bauer kitchen, when seen had the living room fire place moved into it..sometimes.) the only sets I thought looked good were Company and the Towers sets. Remember the Spaulding press conference, in a baseball field.. people sitting on the side of a road having a picnic? Weirdo Jeffery having a phone conversation on a park bench that started to be shot from across the street, and then with a shakey cam that cut between the back of his head and front..leaving me to think he was being filmed by a psycho who was going to off him (don't tease me like that Wheeler/Kreizman...) But the worst was the closet they used for a bad convenience store that they had Alex sitting in saying she liked the hot dogs!!! Bev was cackling in Heaven "The things that new girl has to put up with!"

And..he wasn't ORANGE!!!!

I loved this line!

It too bad during the Dobsons time they had Shea faked his death and his kids...(would have to come up with a semi plausible explanation on how) and came back years later. He arranges for a car crash with Lisa so she finds the teen age Chuckie..Lisa, not knowing it is her own kid, takes him under her wing and has him move in with her, to silently torture her (he was raised to hate her..) and meanwhile begins to romance Betsy (all part of Sheas plan to torture the Ellen and her family) but he starts to actually fall for her much to his father's dismay. Meanwhile, Shea in disguise begins to romance Kim (everyone in town wants to know who Kim's mystery man is) and Bob is wary of this guy. Joyce finds out who he really is and blackmails him and they are a match made in hell for everyone in town. The end result is that Lisa would find out who was who and then to actually save herself and Kim (Bob saves Kim, and as he goes back to get Lisa hears a gunshot) does finally shoot and kill Shea. A lot of hand waving would have to go into this, but it would save us from Nick, Steve and Miranda and bring back a character who would have a complicated relationship with Lisa, Bob and Kim going forward. I agree and think Wert was sexy in the role. I think that Marland did just not write good villains (they were all cartoons if they were actual villains like James and Toni) and just made his characters (as I said time and time again) sometimes too politely boring...Sabrina should have been a slut who finds out she actaully has rich parents but still resents them, and Scott should have been a selfish man ho who eventually slightly reforms like his mama. But instead we get very very plain and dull Sabrina and a whiny Scott.

They had given that storyline to Nick...who knew what a scum Steve was..but they made Nick so obnoxious and overbearing to prop Steve up as the misunderstood hero, that it didn't work. Which leads me to a question, when did soaps stop writing multifaceted characters who had good and bad qualities, and started gearing the writing towards characters who they wanted to, or had become fan favorites. Lisa as a bad girl had motivation and people like Ellen and Penny rightfully were not loving her, and it was okay and more realistic. Steve could have been trying to change but still had bad qualities and Nick and Kim could have rightfully been wary of him, without slanting the writing so much!

They did do a short plot where Mary and Joyce are arguing, and Mary falls down the stairs and everyone is sure Joyce did it on purpose and pushed her. Mary woke up and told everyone what happened but then she went off someplace and got hit by a car and went into another coma..poor Mary, but I still don't know how anyone knew she actually was in a coma..she was so boring.

I always wanted a bit more accuracy on business life. Sometimes Spaulding is a privately held corporation and sometimes it isn't. Sometimes the Chamberlains still own part of it and sometimes they don't. Alex and Alan go around appointing people to Vice Presidencies with no input from the board or anyone else...(and does anyone but a VP work at Spaulding?) The worst was the board appointing Harley as CEO..they investors would be in an uproar and they would be charged with malfeasance but Kreizman thought it was cute to put his fave female character there and had the back pack scene and..that was it. Dinah takes Spaulding from the family..how???? The book "Unscripted" which is about Sumner Restone and the fight for his empire (which also prominatley features our own George Pilgrim, who played J..No Dot Chamberlin and seems exactly as obnoxious as the character he played..) had all the juicy backstabbing and the corporate intrigue was very interesting as well.

Yes...and why put her on the back burner when there was so much going on that she could disapprove of...she should have always been the person who had a thing about James and knew he was bad when he was still hiding it...( A Swedish prince is better then our Tom??) and Joyce was on the loose, and greasy Steve, and loudmouth Margo...John Dixon's daughter of all things getting with Tom??? She was one of my Mom's faves and she quit watching when they put her on the back burner and I now know why, my Mom was the type that you stayed at home and took care of your house and kids, but she never backed down or let my Dad walk over her and she ALWAYS had opinions on what was right and wrong, but was always there if someone needed anything and she thought her kids were the world. So Irna really did have a whole generation in mind when writing for Nancy and it is sad that was lost during the Dobsons time. I saw in interview with Wagner who talks about Nancy being too involved in her kids life and being at a friends house who invited another friend who wanted to have coffee with Nancy Hughes and Wagner having to tell her in her haughty Nancy voice, "I am NOT the same!" Uh, yea, Helen you kinda are! She had this boring doctor boyfriend who she actually SLEPT with! I can imagine what Nancy would have said about that? "Really dear, you aren't Lisa!" That would have been the perfect time for a widowed Don to come back with that kid and for he and Ellen to be invovled again. I would have had Lisa chasing him (and pulling out some of her old tricks.), and Nancy being very concerned that Ellen is not getting back with David, and the possiblity that her golden girl Lisa would be back in the family.

Thanks! The GL writers were never very coherent when writing business deals (one could look up how corporations work!) I just saw an episode when Alan is hiding out in Andora or whatever it is when CB first came back (the sets and clothing were hideous, Kobe really wants very good, Alan is in a "pink" sweater and Baron Von Halkind is dressed like Dracula...) and he buys the radio station as he wants everyone in town to "Dance to his tune!" so I thought that was the start of his media dominance in SF and the intro of WSPR.

Agreed...I was getting excited..but all we got was...Harley as CEO?? Remember Josh was going to get involved to take down Alan..and he and Seb had this weird little scene where Seb seemed to be flirting with Josh and Josh was liking it...who knew RN had more chemistry with the Seb actor then he did with the Cassie recast!.

Yes, I love how even during Marland and after Helen gave a look that belied Nancy's real thoughts. I think the Dob had problems switching from writing Bert Bauer to Nancy Hughes (even though Marland essentially made Nancy as less outgoing warm Bert.) Bert had fire but she had given up her controlling ways by then. I also think they just were annoyed being at ATWT, did not like the firm structure the show and half assed it most of the time until their second tenure where they got to try out their Santa Barbara stuff( more campy comedy, fantasy etc.) I do love that if you ever read Datalounge "Midwestern" posts someone there poses at Helen Wagner "vinegary" personality as she lambasts Colleen Zenk and the rest of the "hussies" who ran around the studio on her show..so a little bit of judgemental Nancy Hughes lives on.

Yes, being married to Fletcher and having a late in life pregnancy and sporting a baby bump, or being a depressed background character would not have been my choices for Holly. That would have been a good story...if he was wealthy, in the retro written world post Long...he would have knon Brandon, which means he would have been screwed over by Brandon, so Holly finds some old papers and blackmails Alan for her rightful shares...and Alan is turned on as hell.

It was when she came back for Bob and Kim's wedding..I think Johnny D walked in as all the Hughes (minus Chris) were in Bob's living room and John walks in (why I have no idea) and gives some of his usual snark and Nancy haughtily says, "Well, hello Dr. Dixon, I see nothing has changed about you, except the mustache!" I think a haughty vinegary Nancy (which seems to come from Wagner's real life personality) would be fun to write for.