Mitch64

I can't believe the Dobson's had so much trouble writing for her...a domineering woman dealing with aging and not ever wanting to be a sweet grandmother. They tried a bit with Nancy breaking bad on Joyce to her bio kid...and when they brought her back pre Marland she was back to being in charge..insulting John's mustache and looking down at Bob moving into Kim's house...rubbing up against Kim...then Marland came and she was just a dull sweet gram.

There is a GREAT monologue during the JFP/Curlee years where Holly talks about if I remember correctly, an alien landing and she has to explain herself...(I kid you not and it worked) and she refers to herself as a "rich little daddy's girl" so someone remembered. She had enough cake to buy the Journal and into WSPR..(I never knew who the hell owned that, it was Alan, then Roger and Holly? Then Dinah????) I think post Rauch they forgot about that but I always wanted Holly to go toe to toe with the Spauldings, MG has that great Bev way with a sarcastic one liner (with irony thrown in.) They all think it Rog gobbling up stock but it turns out to be Holly...(and she and RR had great chemistry in that "one" little scene when he was giving her stock to have the Journal...RR to his credit acted a bit turned on by MG in that scene and who the hell wouldnt be?)

I loved the Nancy and Chris scene..they are not as sugar sweet and most soap older tentpoles..Nancy is being a nag, Chris was telling her to keep out of it and they didn't have a big fight..they just went on with their day, like a real couple. I love that we see what seems to be part of the Steward living room set which survived to the end (redone many times over) and yes, the foreshadowing of Joyce. I just hate that later retrospectives left out characters like Grandpa Hughes and Papa Bauer. Nancy was a real pistol..I wish they kept her that way!

He was TERRIBLE as AM. I think as a more Bauerish AM he could have worked...as you said, he was so green, I remember his first scenes and Zimmer, who, despite her scenery chewing, is always a pro, almost looking at him totally lost like, "Im trying to help you kid but youre giving me nothing." I think later on if they wrote him more as being pulled between his Bauer and Spaulding side it could have worked but folling Hearsts coroporate AM it didnt.

That would have been good and blown JFP's b.s. about having to kill her to shake up the canvas, to hell. Mo torn between her best friend and her niece? Mo standing up to Roger, while at the same time understanding that this is his grandkid...Roger and Mo growing closer because of Peter while Ed has to stand aside and pout? Shows that it was all just b.s. to free up money for Deas. I think Evans could be believed to be raised a Bauer by a single mom..I never believed Hearst was a Bauer...he would have actually made a good son of Rita and Alan's. Its funny, I see Hearst at his age now, as the perfect Alan recast.

Wow, this was my early childhood, I remember watching Dick Van Dyke and the Lucy Show as a kid while my Mom cleaned..(a gene I didn't get...) The excuse for not syndicating Here's Lucy was that it would hurt the other shows, and that might have been Lucy's viewpoint, I don't think she ever really comprehended how back that show stank. I think other people knew it would flop and it did, it was never successful in syndication and I think CBS only ran it in daytime for a short time.

That's true..that scene when JC picks Reva up and just throws her...and Zimmer took it like a champ..which really added to Reva's allure. Some of Reva's best relationships were with guy friends...Fletcher, Phillip, Johnny. Rauch tossed all that out so that it was all men had to be IN LOVE with the goddess, and that lost a great part of her character that made her rootable. Reva the middle aged sex goddess was not. Terrible..we really are loosing so many people from our high school, college and young adulthood form the soaps.

Ha..I never for a moment believed Eddie in a male/female relationship, and I don't think DAM did it either, he was just so purposeful in making Eddie seem ambigous at best. He and Joan/Alex made sense as, really, Eddie was worshiping her divaness and she would like some good looking arm candy who made her laugh. And as long as India stayed FAR away from San Crud, a Eddie/India relationship of convenience and power would be great...and I do wish they had explored a storyline where India finally finds out that the only way she could find true love (besides Phill-lippppeeee) would be with a woman..(nothing could have been worse then her chasing after Simon....) He usually didn't treat any of those women well though.. Zimmer just liked Rauchie as he threw the show to her...(I can't blame her) and he thought of her as a marque name for some reason and true..Kimmer is more of a kind of guy-gal...even without the flirting, I am sure she can drop the fbomb with the best of them, liked her booze, laughs and a ribald sense of humor (I sound like Henry Chamberline...) Tho I always wanted reports on how she and JFP got along during those 6 weeks they were working together.

Great quote from Eddie! Taggert tried to assimilate him in the canvas away from simply Rassie and Jeva side when she made him vow vengance on the "Bowas" for taking Dickie's heart. I still think it would have been interesting to have Cassie start an attraction think with a hot San Crud rebel of color...(they could even have him kidnap her at first to satisfy those Harlequin Romance fantasies of falling in love with your kidnapper...) who is out to overthrow the white bread Winslows. She begins to see the dark side of San Crud and being a pretty princess. That would have sent the Rassie's SCREAMING in agony.

Bwawahaha....they practically made her that in later years..having a talk show, being a soccer mom..(lord knows what the rest of the Moms were jabering about the former amnesiac queen...) they tried to turn her into Kim Hughes!

I don't know if she specifically wanted it for Emmy bait..though she did want to do a "twin" story..and since the dummies in daytime automatically rave over a double story I made that assumption. I think it would have been much better all around and make much more sense for Reva to have a split...she basically did when she was both the ugh..Queen and then as Rebecca. I think Zimmer would have done well with it..(but what would Reva's split be...a mousy librarian who didn't like attention or sex??)

Sorry, this website is always so glitchey with me...anyone else? What I wanted to say was the the Clone did come to catch the trend of "outrageous" storytelling, but there were a lot of factors...Kimmer was hot to play a twin storyline and lobbied to play what would be Cassie...the first introduction of face tape for Zimmer. Even with that they knew they could not get by with Zimmer playing it, so they begin looking around for ways to get her in a twin storyline (which is Emmy bait for the idiots who vote for the Emmys) and the Clone hit all the checks...keep Kimmer happy...Reva and Josh front and center in between bringing Annie back..and ramp up attention.

I'm sure they are and that usually includes calling the person you are in love with out on their..crap. But I have a feeling Deas in an introvert ( I know, you wouldnt know it from the scenery chewing) and Colin is an extrovert and they adore each other, which is really cool for actors.

So tell me about your first day.....that's CRAZY! I actually find Deas (as much as I dislike Buzz and his overacting...) to be an interesting interview..he's grumpy, terse, and doesn't give a damn...if only they wrote Buzz like that. I find his relationship with Colin so interesting..they seem opposites as she is so cheeful and outgoing. I would love to hear what Deas thinks of Colin's pro-life activism but you know Alan wont touch that!

Kim was also rocking that pink dress, for what, middle of the afternoon talk with her sexy uptight doctor, and Hayes was showing a nice tight bod there....I know, "Now LISTEN kiddo, quit staring at my rack!" I wouldn't say history..yea, they made googoo eyes at each other, had a kiss, jumped on a bed..and what? Now a hot storyline they would never have the..guts..to do, is to have the Larry Lau character actually seduce Luke and they actually have a scandalous affair behind Lucinda's back...I mean, I couldn't stand Luke or the actor, but they had to have eveyone fall in love with him, so make it interesting and soapy with consequnces, not a bland gay romance of two twinks that seemingly dont have sex. I mean at least Olvia and whatsherface had a soapy kind of longing thing, while one was preggers with the clueless Frank, so it had some consequences...(even though poor Liv's partner was dull as dishwater.)

No one of those shows ever had a storyline on political corruption...so we KNOW they couldn't have taken place in Illinois!

It shouldn't have been in Illinois then (though states do have cities with this same name...) the show's logo is the lighthouse...there are very few lighthouses in Illinois, so if they wanted the town to be midwestern, just make it Michigan, Springfield is on Lake Michigan, and that would explain how people could have "yahts" ..as Illinois is pretty landlocked if your not Chicago, or the northern burbs.

HA..I am not new..I just never really pay attention to who is who.

I dont know who Efulton is...hey beutiful people had their beauty which is more then the rest of us can say. I always thought he was hottest when he filled out a bit, but people were calling him fat back then. It is good to know the hotties of today that people drool over and wish that they could be with end up like the rest of us tomorrow..so kids. always marry for personality!!!! I never knew he was rapist on AW..but he fit in well on ATWT, but I agree he took over and I could care less about the AW people guest appearances.

I'm sorry they lost their home...terrible However, I am so shallow that I have to say...he did not age well...enjoy your youth while you have it...and I know he enjoyed his.

Those pictures are great.. I love young, sexy Alan (oh RR...you were never Alan) and even sexier Rita (she always seemed like a character that Pam Long would find interesting..) Does anyone know if they ever tried to bring MH back as Ed during all the time sourpuss PS was gone?

That sounds like the premise of a TV show.."Out of work soap actor becomes private eye..watch him don his various disguises to catch the bad guys, and he might actually find love in the real world."

Why would he be blacklisted, was there behind the scenes issues with him?

Ha..yes...I can no longer watch SNL with the studio audience acting like they are coked up and screaming at the start of the news, and laughing hysterically and clapping for the dumbest jokes....(if you can hear them if the stage hand presses the "laugh and clap" sign too early.)

He always wanted younger women..so I am sure he was not happy with being paired with both Alex and Lillian..so he cheated himself out of a job and gave Kobe a reason to get rid of another Bauer. The "romances" were played as Story B...Mike helped Lillian and Beth with Bradley, and he took her out to dinner and she hadnt been on a date since Bradley, so when he said, "Wait until you see what I planned for desert," she thought he was wanting to get down with her. Alex, it was a slight flirtation and he took her flying as you said, etc. I do remember when they brought him back for the anniversary, they actually had a scene with he and Alan where he tells Alan, "Don't ask me about Hope" and ruffles Alan. Alex comes up and asks what is wrong and then she said, "I always preferred Ed." Its so weird that these writers don't just look back at old tapes or scripts or history. I wish they had recast Mike (I found Stewart stiff) and had that romance with Alex right before Rog came back..much prefer it then..Fletcher. About GL and Marland..I think that the show was a bit more sophisticated and "sexy" then what he was used to. Even during the Dobs time it was more freewheeling and humorous. The Bauers were really first generation "upper middle class" with Ed and Mike, while the Hughes were dyed in the wool WASPS. Bert, with her bitchy past was more fallible, human, and warmer then Nancy Hughes,etc. I think that is one of the reasons the Dobs weren't good at ATWT...they brought in more humor and camp and it didn't really fit, and they probably did not know what to do with Nancy Hughes. a colder, more domineering matriarch yet not a villain.