Marissa Gallant

1 hour ago, Liberty City said:

Well, in truth, Burke & Bateman were the third and fourth CC Capwells. Lloyd Bochner was cast first and never appeared, when Peter Mark Richman took over for the premiere. The only CC I block is Burke. He was not right in that role. You could tell he hated being that role.

Honestly, if the CC-Santana pairing were made from more of the standpoint of Santana using CC to find Brandon, then I would've been behind it, but they tried to make it a love story, which feels 

I tend to not count Bochner since he never appeared. I have to actively remind myself about him because I didn't pay much attention to magazines at that age. (Aside from Dynamite) And I always remember Bateman is the third on screen CC. It's Richman and Burke that scramble themselves in my head. Very different, but they still do. I liked Richman, he was just a little stiff. Burke was dreadful. I'll personally never forgive all of the people who allowed the t-shirt tucked into the WAAAYY too tiny shorts to ever darken television sets across the country.

Yes to Santana using CC. But a smart woman wouldn't fall for a man that put her through all of that. Just ICK

13 hours ago, Liberty City said:

Augusta & CC would have been a cop-out, as much as I would've loved to have seen it. That being said, I always did imagine TPTB chem-testing Louise Sorel with Paul Burke & Charles Bateman during Sorel's first run as Augusta.

I think Louise Sorel is just a spark that ignites chemistry with everyone. I am VERY glad that CC and Augusta didn't become a thing. But she does sparkle. And she is taller so wouldn't have needed to strain her neck as much. 

I always have to think to remember which of the first two CCs is which. (I honestly try to block 2 from my memory.)

5 hours ago, Jdee43 said:

Melissa Brennan was really green on Santa Barbara. It also didn't help that her character wasn't that great. She did have a spark though, aka charisma, unlike say Julie Ronnie; so it was not surprising that she eventually became a star in soaps on another show with a better character, a character that suited her more. 

And YES!!! To Melissa Brennan! I loved Jennifer Horton so much that I didn't even remember Jade. I think that the Perkins were not as well rounded of characters as the other families on the show. I didn't like John at all. Marissa was okay, but she did get more interesting as a widow. Amy was GREAT though, but she wasn't there for the first few weeks. 

We didn't even get enough of the Andrades to get an opinion. They made the horrible mistake of pairing the beautiful Ava Lazar with creepy #2, and I think that was the nail in her grave. Shoulda put her with Mason. Also shoulda NEVER had #2. 

But I wasn't there for the beginning of Days, General Hospital or Y&R, so I can't say if their first few months were smooth or bumpy. I do know that Jed Allan's autobiography says he wanted CC from the beginning and the suits at the network said no. Well, golly were they wrong. JA and AL probably would have blown the chemistry off the charts!

I'm watching the episodes where Kelly is after Robert, Cruz and Eden are in their what will they do phase, Sophia just met Steven Slade, and Augusta keeps flirting with CC. Augusta flirting with CC is possibly the weirdest. And there's actually chemistry there. She is a better height for Jed. Poor Judith had to have gotten a crick in her neck occasionally from looking up at him. 

That said, JM and JA had better chemistry. 

I do want to add that I've recently been guilty of talking about how horrible the show was. And 1988 WAS. But I don’t want to sully my memory of a show that I enjoyed so much for so long. So I needed to bring it back to the stuff that worked.

I've had a bit of time to think it over. I think that Eden kept longing for the life she left. Wanting to feel that sense of completeness again, she remarried. However, the love wasn't the same or nearly as powerful and it was not a happy marriage. She eventually needed a break. Looking to relive her moment of happiness, she got onboard the Orient Express. 

Cruz was lonely and confused. He didn't remarry. He almost did, but his fiance was killed by some European bad guy. He was off chasing the bad guy and heard the bad guy was on a train. 

Cruz sees Eden onboard the only train that matters to them both. She winds up helping him avenge his fiance, and shucky darn - her husband gets killed in the fallout. 

it's a road to each other because Cruz really doesn't trust her. He decides to head back to SB because the tween Adrianna hascstarted to get into trouble. Eden follows him. They reunite again in SB

On 10/21/2022 at 12:43 PM, sb34 said:

 

6 hours ago, Tonksadora said:

Was that JFP that was behind the block voting? I'm of the impression that she got several shows awards and introduced block voting to those shows, so I guess what I''m trying to figure out is if she learned it at SB or taught it at SB.

I think she was the mastermind of that. I know it occurred during her. SB years, and that it wasvthe first show that did it. But I'm not the world's leading expert, so I will gladly accept any corrections

On 10/21/2022 at 8:00 PM, Keri said:

 

@sb34  I'm not really into the fan fic stuff but with Eden I alternate between thinking it is both ironic and fitting that she would abandon her family much like Sophia did, and being really pissed off bc Eden would never have abandoned her family BC of what Sophia did.

I keep saying this. But Sophia did not abandon her family. She CHOSE her family, got knocked overboard and then was essentially abducted my Marcello.

5 hours ago, gimmetoo said:

If Santa Barbara was plagued by so many BTS issues, please explain how for 3 consecutive it was awarded the Daytime Emmy for Best Show ?  

They were also the first to do block voting. They submitted fewer actors for awards, then everyone voted for them. 

On 10/19/2022 at 12:51 AM, Jdee43 said:

I thought the star of Santa Barbara's first few weeks was Louise Sorel. She was smoking; absolutely oozing charisma! But then in week 5, they brought on her character's husband, played by Nicolas Coster, and it seemed like she totally got neutered. It was Coster who now got all the fun stuff.

I like Nicolas Coster, but boy, was he waaaaay over the top the first few weeks he was on SB. I 

Making Peter into an ex-gigolo out of no where was totally ridiculous. The same with Cruz suddenly turning out to be a secret agent. 

Cruz was introduced as "Joe's best friend." That's funny as that's basically his character throughout the show, everyone's best friend. (I remember watching it as a kid, back in 1988 and 1989.) In the first few weeks, I thought Cruz had chemistry with everyone, everyone except Ava Lazar as Santana unfortunately. 

Ava Lazar is another one they should have kept on. She had so much charisma. I thought her best chemistry was with Mason. It was a real shame they didn't pair the two right away. Instead, they wasted her character by putting her with Cruz and CC (gross!), and making her obsessed with finding her child, a totally boring story. In the mean time, Mason basically had no story at all, doing nothing these first 13 weeks, except being a joke or punching bag for the other characters.

The decisions this show made were so poor right from the beginning. It's no surprise it continued to make bad decisions throughout its history.

Loved Lionel from his first minute. 

I thought Peter the gigolo made perfect sense. He was a gold digger from day one. And he was her teacher for crying out loud. 

Santana and CC were very gross. 

I'm not sure how much power the Dobsons had. They wanted Jed Allan from the beginning. It was a suit who vetoed that. Imagine Jed and Ava though. That could have been full steam.

I wasn't there for the first thirteen weeks of any other show, so it might be that they were all bumpy. Some ideas work and some don't. 

Also- trust me. Augusta gets more fun stuff.

I'm going to shift things back to the reasons I love this show, since so many recent posts seem to just say it is awful. 

I'm at the end of 89 now. Augusta is BACK! Was it a surprise that she was the widow Tonnell? Because that wee, she manned the soap phone. And the mystery woman petting the Doberman should have been a dead giveaway since that was her first scene in the beginning. Then, in the hotel- there were 2 dogs. So glad that Breeze (my favorite character) got a playmate.  

She just saw CC at the Orient Express and said she wants a drink either a green one or a red one something Christmasy. I think we should ALL go into a restaurant this December and ask for a drink then say I don't know. Something green or red. There is only ONE Louise Sorel. 

Also JK about Breeze being my favorite. That's still Sophia 

I finally FINALLY made it to the reappearance of Augusta. Boy did I miss her. I still don't care about Laura. But that's okay. 

On 10/16/2022 at 4:31 PM, gimmetoo said:

Wondering how Santa Barbara kept attracting so many daytime A-listers season after season...SB took stunt casting to a level never seen before or since.

Did the show have unlimited resources to offer huge contracts to stars like Justin Deas, Robin Mattson, Kim Zimmer, Jack Wagner, Eileen Davidson, Terry Lester, Vincent Irizarry, Roscoe Born, etc. ?  

Other than Robin, not many stayed around beyond a couple of years.  Were they originally signed to short-term contracts or did they fall victim to the 13-wk cycles and the revolving door of show runners ?

Any insights are appreciated...

I think maybe they were attracted to the show because it won so many awards. At the end, I think money was being thrown to save the show, but TPTB didn't understand enough to know that they were helping to kill the show. Remember Justin Deas left the show at the same time as several notable names. 

I don't know enough to know if Vincent Izzary was a big name before SB, or if that came with his next big role.

Well, that is your opinion, and you are entitled to it. There are a lot of people who disagree. 

That said, you are in the middle of the worst year. 

I've been very vocal about enjoying the early years more. I feel that it tanked in 88, and was a different show in 89. 

I also believe that the constant chaos behind the scenes did a lot of damage to the on air consistency. The PTB often got in their own way. Jed Allan's bio says he auditioned at the beginning but the suits didn't think he was the right age. Boy, were they wrong! Then they decided that we wanted a bunch of people from other shows when what we WANTED were the Lockridges, the Capwells and the Andrades. And good storylines for those families.

Yes, I enjoyed the over the top stuff. But I liked the humor and family relationships more. We did have multi dimensional characters and great actors who were more thsn capable of creating those dimensions with little more than a look in their eyes.

The constant new show runners needing to "put their mark" on the show was bad. We wanted the mark we had.

21 hours ago, Tonksadora said:

Oh, good, yes!! Well plotted, you're set for years to come.

Well, if I'm going to write a role for myself, I'm going for a long term contract. 

I also considered Bay City and being a friend of Felicia, but I wasn't coming up with as good of a story.

I am Komtess Annabella Lucidi Armonti. I just arrived in Santa Barbara to find out anything about my roots. My father's name was Pietro. He was the long lost son of Nikolai Armonti, who married Sophia. My mother died and told me about my biological father on her deathbed. It was confirmed through DNA testing that I am indeed the Count's lost Granddaughter. 

I want to know more about my grandfather so, I have decided to ask his second wife. She married Lionel Lockridge after the death of CC. So, I wind up spending a lot of time with the Capwell kids, the Lockridge kids and Brick's son Johnny. We spend a lot of time talking about our almost stolen heritages and soon fall in love. But there are international factions who will stop at nothing to keep us apart.... Cue ominous music...

What is internet archive?

That's an Augusta scene and since that means Louise Sorel it isn't surprising. 

Yes, SB was terrible about ditching characters without a thought. I sort of contribute this to the constant shifting of showrunners. 

Cruz grew up in the poorer neighborhood and went to public school. Eden grew up in the uber rich and went to a private school. Rosa's kids knew the Capwells because Rosa worked there. Cruz's mom didn't, but he grew up knowing the Andrades because of school. 

I don't know the Italian monarchy system, but as the Count's son, wouldn't Marcello have inherited the title? Although there might be another son who inherited since the whole "Contessa" thing was never explored. 

I'm watching the Robert Barr story. Eden is starting to remember and Cruz is jealous. He just told his dad that he has watched Eden courted by an older married man, an Italian count and even married to someone else. So, the older married man was Lionel. The marred to was Kirk. Would he mean Marcello as the Italian count? Because the Count-dom would have gone to Marcello right? 

And why does this show always forget Sophia is a countess?

11 hours ago, Beach Climber said:

I’ve heard people rave over that ep but it wasn’t my cup of tea. I didn’t get the whole thing with Mason and Julia as aliens and I never warmed up to Greg so seeing his reactions to the various Capwells was meh. I only enjoyed the actual scenes that they were actually observing because they were a slightly exaggerated version of each character. 

I had to watch it twice to make sure I caught everything. I do get the dream Greg thinks of all the Santa Barbs as weird alien creatures because they are so different than he is. Loved the line: "Babies are born, adults are decided." Because that is SO true. We do get a choice in what we become.

Sad to see CC as an off screen Sophia is dying since we now know Judith outlives Jed. Sniff

Mason losing his whole everything to the bottle is a sad thought but within the realm of possibility. 

All of that said, it was a strange way to make fun of itself. Which the show does often. 

And I'm still not buying CC and Megan. 

So THAT Was the Capwell Zone. Huh. Bizarre

23 hours ago, Beach Climber said:

Lol I found that so random. Mason/Julia were not the type of couple I could ever picture skydiving and landing on a remote island for their honeymoon and they did it twice if I recall. Whatever adventures they ended up on were always more on the unplanned or unwilling side. 

And Mason, I took lessons. Good for you, but the woman you just pushed did not. Anyway, I can see Mason taking a boat to someplace. Remember the AWESOME tent in the middle of nowhere with Mary? Talk about Glamping. With a capital G. But skydiving? No. That's Cruz and Eden. 

I'm just finished Mason and Julia's first wedding. Milk, butter, meat. Still cracks me up. On to their honeymoon. Can I just say that if my groom had shoved me out of a plane, I would have been single again! I love Mason so much, but my line in the sand is being shoved out of a perfectly good airplane!

I agree. I like Paul Johansson. But Greg is a ppfffttt. He was trapped in a stupid storyline that is against the grain for CC. Therefore he had an unsurmountable obstacle from the get go. Megan was so obviously a way to keep CC and Sophia apart. The whole thing was not popular. 

Sometimes, I think the problem wasn't that the audience only cared about the Capwells. But that the writers didn't give us storylines to draw us into the other characters. Who were we supposed to root for? Angry and yelling ALL the time Scott? I don't think so. People liked the Capwells because they were the only ones with any depth. 

Megan and Greg as a new family and a love  interest for CC, conflict with Ted somehow, could have been fine. CC banging a 17 year old and forgetting about it- not fine. It's too out of character. 

23 hours ago, j swift said:

The one John Conboy signature move that I always associate with his production style is the way that at the beginning of an episode the camera would sneak around the room from behind a pillar or through a railing to observe the characters as if the audience was peering into the action.

You see it on SB, as well as in the Clegg living room on Capitol.  So, I wonder 

Also, the Megan/Greg retcon took away from one of CC's only redeeming qualities which was his devotion to his kids and grandchildren.  Why would he have gone through so much trouble to find a home for Brandon, but ignore Greg?  It made no sense.

Supposedly, he didn't even remember Megan. So, he wasn't ignoring Greg, he didn't know about him. 

I'm having a difficult time remembering this is even the same show. 

Thank you, Liberty City. 

I'm right in the middle of this Megan Richardson mess. I get the TPTB wanting to give CC a storyline. But this is insulting to everyone involved. Up until this point, CC wasn't a one night stand person. And he CERTAINLY wasn't an "I slept with a 17 year old, no biggie, I'll forget about her" type of person. I mean when the 22 y/o tells you, I lied, I'm 17- that would kinda stick in your mind!!

The French site has added a new article which is an interview with Conboy. The interview is right as he took over. In the article, he's bragging about his plans for the show. One of the things is "getting rid of the atrium that minimalizes the characters". He says something like it will be great! Turns out- that wasn't a popular decision, Dude.

8 hours ago, Keri said:

The only thing I remember is the Circle of Truth. In which Lionel lied I think lol.

The pigeon thing was done in Whatever Happened to Baby Jane first. 

I always thought it was weird in SB.

Which is why I'm saying it's weirder than Bunny's non-wedding. It was very weird.

Ah yes, the circle of truth. They both lied every time. I would add Minx shooting CC with birdshot in his keister, but she was sort of justified in that. 

So, I'm at Bunny's shotgun wedding and Gina says that this might be the strangest thing that's ever happened in her living room. Maybe while she's lived there, but not while the Lockridges did. 

Let's see: Augusta served her daughter's pidgeon as an appetizer, Minx fell into a sarcophagus during an earthquake, Augusta and Lionel’s food fight, Lionel’s impotence cure, what am I missing? 

The baby is with Cruz' brother? Huh. And why? And WTF? 

Sigh- I miss New Stailand

Do they ever explain why CC has no memory of this writer/baby mama?