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ita with everything you said. wanted to add: can only imagine what the budget must have been for this episode. 5 sets, which is not a lot, but i counted 25 characters, at least 20 on contract. those were the days…

excellent! how if georgia will just get its thumb out of its ass…

It's worth it! And pretty cheap. I posted way too many excerpts from it in the thread dedicated to it at the time and IIRC the author was not pleased with me. I only found that out much later, lol. I'm sorry, Jeff Giles! it is sooo worth it. that level of candor must have involved some adult beverages. also looking forward to the ryan’s hope oral history coming out in the fall.

I can't remember when exactly, but it gets to a point where Earl just does not appear for long periods of time. I'm not sure what Farley Granger's status with the show was by 1988. I like Farley's work on the show, he's very charming, but based on the way he was used, they should have just contained him to one story and then wrote him out at the end of the story. when granger joined atwt in 1986, his partner, robert calhoun, was the executive producer. calhoun left the show in 1988. wonder if that had anything to do with granger’s status?

THANK YOU!

all true — but kathryn hays was on atwt for 38 years, liz hubbard for 24. and not for nothing, ‘world turns and guiding light WERE ON CBS! and over the years those shows generated 10s, if not 100s of millions of $ for CBS. so one might think that would supersede the NEWS aspect of their passing.

today, cbs sunday morning mentioned the passing of jackie zeman. i have no quarrel with that. it’s just that the show never — NEVER — notes the passing of actors who were on p&g soaps for decades: kathryn hays, liz hubbard, jerry verdorn, lisa brown are the most recent ignored by the network. does cbs have a rule forbidding the show from acknowledging these actors?

pleased that both kathryn hays and jackie zeman rated obits in the ny times. absolutely shocked that la liz did not.

that’s my generation (though i have xfinity wireless:). and it’s not going to happen if reality, game, and true life crime shows continue to dominate the schedule. yes, they’re cheap to produce, but i have absolutely no interest in watching.

expect he would have been frustrated, but marland died in march 1993.

i’ve always believed that cbs vp for daytime, barbara bloom, had a lot to do with that — martha byrne, too. not for nothing, but both were replaced by actors who worked with bloom at abc. all part of the massive influx of former abc daytime actors who invaded oakdale in the final years, mostly playing characters not connected to the core families.

agreed! while i understood the need to bring more people in as writers, it never made any sense to me bringing in people who were so openly contemptuous. while i loved hunt block’s ben warren on guiding light, his version of craig was hogan’s misguided idea that what was wrong with ‘world turns was that the men were lacking ‘balls.’ and for jeanp, the person i’d really like to ask is courtney simon.

this was hogan shefer’s worst decision. i’d love to know if anyone with some institutional memory ever explained to him that bryant was connected by blood or marriage to virtually every ‘world turns character. as was jennifer. properly written and cast, they could have been the next generation’s umbrella couple. bryant’s connections jennifer’s connections as for kim onasch, i never heard about any issues between her and todd. however, helen wagner told me that kim often came to the set not knowing her lines.

praying that colbert’s not on vacation this week.

can’t remember where i read this, but it’s a nice example of elizbeth hubbard’s acting chops: “In the second episode, Lucinda's granddaughter, Faith, is brushing her grandmother's hair and asks why Lucinda's hair is coming out in the brush. There are so many ways that scene could have been written and played. The "soapiest" would have been for Lucinda to have a total emotional meltdown in front of Faith, followed by the requisite, and heart-rending, explanation and apology between grandmother and granddaughter. But that's not how it happened. Not even close. The drama of that scene was all in Elizabeth Hubbard's face as Lucinda struggled mightily not to let Faith see the pain and terror she was feeling, willing herself not to let go of her emotions until her granddaughter was safely out of the room. It was a powerful moment, and as the students watched, all I could hear was their breathing, punctuated by the occasional sniffle. Nothing illustrates the sorry state of daytime soap opera these days more than the fact that one must be of a certain age to remember when these kinds of moments were not so few and far between.”

don hastings, eileen fulton, and larry bryggman all did a locher room remembrance of kathryn hays. was surprised and concerned that marie masters wasn’t there.

a lot of that has to do with having the same actors in the role. much harder when there are new actors, who don’t always know their characters’ history, along with new writers who tend not to care. so while the writers may have only rarely referenced the long-standing animosity between kim and susan stewart, kathryn hays and marie masters always made sure it was there, even there was nothing explicit in the dialogue.

i’ve asked ta couple of headwriters and the answer is always “not true.”

the peter boynton interview was excellent! alan seems to do so much better in these one-on-one interviews than with a group. loved the betty rea story. just goes to show even the great ones don’t get it right every time. back in 1961, houghton mifflin turned down ‘mastering the art of french cooking’; knopf is still laughing all the way to the bank. interesting that charita bauer was still doing theater. nothing about it on her wikipedia page and ibdb lists her last broadway appearance as 1944. and never realized that doug marland continued to do theater after he became headwriter. it’s a lot to juggle. not surprised though that he created the part of tonio for peter. he really did appreciate actors. i’m always amazed at the insights soap actors bring to how fans really connect to both the shows and characters, perhaps if more of the suits had shared these insights over the years, soaps wouldn’t be in such a sorry state.

i think the fact that it was moonves who “suggested” black and stern as ‘world turns headwriters in 1996 makes that a rhetorical question. and for a little well-deserved schadenfreude: a freebie from the ny times: moonves/redstone

wasn’t sure where to post this, but here seems as good a place as any. on this day, 31 january, what’s considered the first television soap opera, irna phillips’ ‘these are my children,’ premiered on nbc and ran until 4 march.

this ny times obit mentions that. in 1980, she was cast as cricket montgomery on as the world tuns. ny times obit truth is though: she was far better known as wednesday on the addams family than ‘world turns.

exactly! i’ve always believed that money for deas was the reason behind killing off maureen. there was plenty of story for her after she found out about ed and lillian’s affair.

agreed about ‘what might have been.’ and what a reminder of what soaps had been in the past: an 8-minute uninteruppted scene — those were the days!

one of the greatest: https://www.welovesoaps.net/2010/04/50-greatest-soap-actors-24-michael.html