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also remember her as fran fine’s cousin the the nanny

according to a variety article you posted upthread, liamst’s share was under 30. in the 60s, atwt was pulling shares as high as 60 — sound’s like half. curious about where you heard that irna quit the show a month after its debut.

true — but i suspect that if it hadn’t been those two storylines, she would have found another reason to leave. and, this may be an unpopular opinion, but i gotta say i think cbs made the right call re those storylines. by all accounts, they were unpopular with viewers, and, and yes, i’m award that a good deal of tha pushback on mia was likely due to anti-asian bias, i also think there may have been conservative catholic viewers who objected to the nun storyline. but, as one of the variety articles referenced upthread notes: cbs was on the verge of cancelling the show. so, change the storylines or cancel the show?

a while back, i heard an interesting theory about why irna left the show so early. in the past, this source had played fast and loose with facts about irna’s life, so i always took what he told me with a grain of salt. but, he said his source was the late warren swanson, an attorney who also worked with irna as a writer on ‘world turns, so it’s worth considering. in 1966, after working with irna for 10 years, bill bell left to take over as headwriter at “days of our lives.” irna took his departure as a personal betrayal, and the two never spoke again. under bell, days’… ratings went up — a lot — so fred silverman decides to counter with a new soap. silverman told me that irna agreed to create “love is a many splendored thing” as a personal favor to him, as well as a chance to create a show that was not under procter&gamble. but, did she also a chance to take bill bell down a peg? irna’s unfinished memoir, “all my worlds,” ends in late 1963, so we’ll never know. but, that’s what swanson told my less-than-reliable source. and having researched irna’s life for more than 10 years, i find it does have a certain ring of truth. of course, in the first few months, not only did liamst never come close to beating days…, they were losing almost half the audience of ‘world turns. according to warren swanson, when irna she wasn’t going to beat bell, she lost interest, and when the network demanded she change the two storylines, she saw an opportunity to extricate herself from the show.

agreed about gl’s aesthetics, but not sure this is a valid comparison. “the hamptons” may have been low budget, but it was certainly more than gl’s at the end. and whatever “advancements in production techniques” that may have occurred, they wouldn’t have compensated for time: “the hamptons” shot an episode a week; gl an episode a day.

Overall loved the book but 2 things: awful errors & so much stuff she didn't even mention. while there were a lot of errors and omissions — especially re oltl — i have to give her a pass. she finished the book just before she died at 93, from parkinson's. her children were helping her, but i’m sure there was a lot they didn’t know, when i saw her in 2011, her memory was already shaky.

not true! read the article: http://anotherworldhomepage.com/creation.htm

scroll down for a picture of jane house in ‘lenny’: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/27/movies/julian-barry-dead.html?smid=url-share

i’d just heard bits and pieces. this version makes more sense.

Which Liz actress was allegedly fired because the actress was also doing a play that involved nudity? “allegedly fired” the play was ‘lenny.’ jane house played lenny bruce’s stripper wife, rusty, according to ibdb, for the entire run (may 1971-june 1972). and, yes, she took it all off! got to see it with my own eyes! i’ve heard that irna was so irate she had her fired, but the facts don’t support that. since. it appears she left ‘world turns around the same time s lenny closed. no idea how the firing story got started.

I wasn't watching when he was on so it was a lovely surprise. is there video of his appearance? looked, but couldn’t find anything on youtube.

thanks for posting this. i knew he had been on atwt, but couldn’t remember when.

thanks for clarifying. hadn’t known about susan’s miscarriage. i do remember irna being outraged about two men being in love with the same woman, but don’t recall ever seeing anything about the pregnancies.

What’s strange is that if Irma really disliked this storyline she basically did the same thing with Bob Jennifer and Kim as far as i can tell, dan did not impregnate both liz and susan at the same time. betsy was around when susan was pregnant with emily. liz had a miscarriage (by paul) ust before susan became pregnant with emily. what irna objected to was the idea of two brothers being in love with the same woman. and, yes, that was essentially the same story she told with bob, jennfer, and kim. the big difference is that irna told robert laguardia, ‘kim is me.’ and, ‘kim is going to have that baby and raise it own her own.’ this was irna’s effort to replace the pregnancy she had lost as a young woman. irna had an emotional horse in this race, which explains a lot about her double standard.

yes, katherine babecki was katherine phillips. it’s not entirely clear what her role as headwriter was — may well be that it was in name only. ed trach told me she never put forth any story ideas in meetings. fred silverman had no recollection of her as headwriter. according to her brother, tom, kathy never went through any kind of apprenticeship. in irna’s unfinished memoir, all my worlds, she goes into great detail describing kathy’s deeply troubled childhood. according to irna, kathy wanted to find her birth mother, whom she said she wanted to kill. likely the inspiration for the amanda holmes story. so, it’s not surprising that kathy never sent the amw manuscript to the wisconsin historical society where irna’s papers are archived. it was only after kathy’s death in 2009, that the manuscript became available.

i tuned in at the beginning of the 3rd set already knowing the outcome. plenty of suspense watching how this single game turned out, though.

not surprising. agnes nixon often talked about the freedom she had at abc compared to p&g. often wonder how irna might have approached vietman and other topical issues absent p&g. she was certainly aware of what was happening in the world.

I couldn't screenshot the PDF, but the median is $26, 276.00, which is just $6,000 over the poverty limit for a single person household in California. And, given that the average rent for a 1br in Los Angeles County is $2,850, a person would need to gross $9,500 a month just to qualify to rent an apartment. So, $40,000 annual salary is 65% below what one would need to survive in LA. Meanwhile, Bob Iger, CEO of Disney just signed a contract extension earning him 62 Million dollars, in salary alone, not counting stock or property. So, it is reasonable to expect that Disney could afford to pay actors for audition tapes thanks! averages can be deceptive, the median is more accurate. i knew it would be worse, but that is ridiculous! and yes, at the very least, the studios should be paying actors for auditions — and cover their expenses.

if $40,000 is the average salary, what i’d really like to know is the median. couldn’t find it online. does anyone know?

A part of me wishes they'd tried a Hal/Lucinda pairing in the '90s or '00s, although I know he never could have taken it. Still, imagine Barbara's face... now that would have been something to see! wonder if anyoone ever considered it? benjamin hendrickson once told me that hal and margo only became a thing because he and hillary smith started playing around in their scenes wondering if anyone would notice — and did they ever. i knew margo would always be with tom and hal with barbara. but, i would have been more than ok if hal and margo had wound up together.

that last scene, with terry lester, benjamin hendrickson, and elizabeth hubbard — all three gone — and of course, kathryn hays. as was so happy to see the scene between hal and lucinda in the courtroom — always wished they had more scenes together.

so, i’m visiting the metropolitan museum of art in the early 1990s and can’t remember where the bathrooms are. when i go to the information desk in the lobby, i stop short and think to myself, “what is nancy hughes doing at the met?” now, i know perfectly well that it was helen wagner, not nancy hughes. but could not form a thought or get a single word out of my mouth. my cousin thought i had lost my mind. helen had clearly been down this road before, and explained slowly and clearly, where the bathrooms were. a couple years later, i’m on the set interviewing actors for a piece. i had forgotten about the met when the publicist brought helen in. she looked at me, cocked her head and asked, “have we met before?” told her the story a nd we had a good laugh.

just watched the clip — thanks! interesting that eric braden didn’t join his fellow nominees for regis and kathy lee. guess he had a scheduling conflict.

were they less awful compared to what came in the final year? hard to say… but, yes, they really were as awful as their reputation.

thinking of martha. it’s a free link to the ny times. 3 convicted