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18 hours ago, JAS0N47 said:

UPDATED CHART FOR WEEKS OF 11/11/85 & 11/18/85:

 

With this missing page arriving as part of the update, AMC, AW, ATWT and CAP stations & clearances are now available for the weeks of 11/11/85 & 11/18/85. Here is the updated chart, also now posted in place of the old one:

 

 

 

 

I can only speak for "Days", but "Days" has only been preempted 3 times for Christmas (and that is counting if it falls on a weekend too, no preemptions on 12/22-12/23-12/24-12/26-12/27): The 3 Christmas Day preemptions were in 1997, 2000 and 2006. So, "Days" has pretty much always aired a new episode on Christmas Day.

 

https://jason47.com/days/preemptions.html

Wow, I didn't realize. I've not watched Days regularly so I wasn't aware. 

32 minutes ago, JAS0N47 said:

"MISSING WEEK" 12/14/87-12/18/87 Preemptions (confirmed via Telecasts as of 12/13 & 12/27):

 

The Christmas Day preemptions for all ABC & CBS soaps means their telecast numbers should go up by 9 during the missing week, and the NBC soaps should go up by 10 telecasts, which they all do. So there were NO full preemptions for the missing week of 12/14-12/18/87.

 

SOAP TELECASTS: As of 12/13-As of 12/27

AMC 55-64 (1 preemption 12/25) 

AW 51-61

ATWT 58-67 (1 preemption 12/25)

BB 57-66 (1 preemption 12/25)

DAYS 54-64

GH 55-64 (1 preemption 12/25)

GL 58-67 (1 preemption 12/25)

LOV 55-64 (1 preemption 12/25)

OLTL 53-62 (1 preemption 12/25)

RYAN 55-64 (1 preemption 12/25)

SB 52-62

YR 58-67 (1 preemption 12/25)

NBC aired new episodes on Christmas Day? Was this common at the time or was this a one off by NBC? 

Was randomly on Pluto yesterday and noticed Dynasty was added. Airing episode 2-5 when I caught it. 

1 hour ago, beebs said:

Capitol's cancellation looking increasingly justified as SB begins to nip at their heels, and AW comfortably beating them most weeks. Granted it seems every CBS soap was trending downward that fall, but I suspect James Lipton's writing didn't help matters much.

Pretty sure CBS was done with Capitol at this point and knew Bold would replace it soon. 

On 9/30/2023 at 3:05 AM, DRW50 said:

These are a little over a year apart, yet the show feels very different. I notice when watching back that GL feels more different from one regime to another than many soaps - maybe because of so much cast turnover. Probably the only interesting thing in the first, beyond the attempt at class warfare and the lovely Janet Jackson montage, is seeing Josh and Reva in an old movie fantasy. I didn't know they gave those to other characters beyond Quint and Nola. 

I had to laugh at Reva and Johnny, in the second episode, having to exclaim surprise at a piano being set up at the rundown bar just so that Reva could pad out a strike episode with a musical performance. I appreciate how in her original run Reva had close relationships with men that were platonic. Other than some of her interaction with Billy, and once or twice with Philip, they didn't bother with those nuances in her second stint. 

The amount of music playing in these episodes remind you why these can't be repeated.

I agree. GL tends to feel more different from regime to regime. It also lacked as many long running characters that tended to anchor many the of the other shows. The overhaul in the early 80s really changed the direction of the show. 

That 1987 and 1988 episode feel like different shows. However, this is around the time GL stabilizes after losing ground around 1984 after a very successful late 70s and early 80s phase. 

59 minutes ago, kalbir said:

Y&R is killing it Summer 1986. Another four weeks at #1, bringing them to 7 consecutive weeks at #1.

We are three weeks away from Oprah going national.

And with amazing numbers! 

Capitol seems to be doing fine. It's massive like YR, but it has pulled very decent numbers and while it was doing better at first, the current numbers are still quite good. Considering that GL and ATWT suffered quite a bit in the mid 80s, Capitol has been consistent. It will be out the door soon tho. 

4 hours ago, Taoboi said:

OC

 

Really, Bravo? aka Reunion trailer...

 

 

I haven't watched OC for a few seasons, but I keep reading tweets that it is good, but this reunion trailer looks so mid. 

2 hours ago, JAS0N47 said:

FROM THE VAULT: WEEKLY DAYTIME NIELSEN RATINGS (FAST NATIONALS): WEEK OF 4/21/86-4/25/86:

FROM THE VAULT: WEEKLY DAYTIME NIELSEN RATINGS: WEEKS OF 4/28/86-5/2/86 & 5/5/86-5/9/86:

Guiding Light dropping below a 6  

It was a nice read and it was good to hear Victoria look back with some appreciation and care for the show. I know these interviews usually skim the surface, but gosh would I have so many questions to ask. 

52 minutes ago, JAS0N47 said:

 

They only ever show the average of the two-week books, so here are the GL demos (2-week averages) for the weeks of 12/9/85-12/13/85 & 12/16/85-12/20/85 and 12/30/85-1/3/86 & 1/6/86-1/10/86:

 

GL DEMOS:

 

12/9/85-12/13/85 & 12/16/85-12/20/85

6.9 rating; 22 share; 5,930,000 viewers

 

TOTAL PEOPLE: 1310

LADY OF HOUSE: 738

WORKING WOMAN: 118

 

TOTAL WOMEN: 857

18-34: 214

18-49: 428

25-54: 357

35-64: 432

55+: 375

 

TOTAL MEN: 286

18-34: 76

18-49: 160

25-54: 130

35-64: 139

55+: 111

 

TOTAL TEENS (12-17): 127

TEEN GIRLS: 79

TEEN BOYS: 48

 

TOTAL KIDS (2-11): 40

2-5: 27

6-11: 13

 

12/30/85-1/3/86 & 1/6/86-1/10/86:

7.7 rating; 23 share; 6,610,000 viewers

 

TOTAL PEOPLE: 1386

LADY OF HOUSE: 785

WORKING WOMAN: 140

 

TOTAL WOMEN: 906

18-34: 255

18-49: 468

25-54: 374

35-64: 432

55+: 376

 

TOTAL MEN: 201

18-34: 54

18-49: 93

25-54: 78

35-64: 104

55+: 90

 

TOTAL TEENS (12-17): 184

TEEN GIRLS: 127

TEEN BOYS: 57

 

TOTAL KIDS (2-11): 95

2-5: 47

6-11: 48

Thank you, @JAS0N47 Definitely much harder to guage as these were calculated over a two week period, but looking at these the biggest gainers were in the under 18 audience and women 18-34 and 18-49. I wonder if that working women number would have been higher if it was only for the one week during school holidays. 

Are any of the episodes from 1967-1969 available online? Curious about early Peggy, but some of the other characters of that time. 

1 hour ago, kalbir said:

I'd say kids off school. There's also boosts for spring break and summer.

I was figuring working women as well, but I wasn't sure so wanted to look at the numbers - but you're probably right about kids home from school. 

@JAS0N47 If possible, would you be able to post the demos for GL for the weeks of 12/16-20/1985 and 12/30/1985 - 1/3/1986. The week between Christmas and NYE give all the soaps a real boost each year and I'm curious to see who is making up these numbers. GL in particular tends to perform really well, even this year when its numbers have been mediocre in the weeks leading up to. 

3 hours ago, beebs said:

Okay, so Season + Summer numbers for 1984-85 (vs. previous year):

1. GH	9.0 (-0.9)
2. AMC	8.1 (-0.7)
3. Y&R	8.0 (-0.6)
4. OLTL	7.3 (-0.5)
5. GL	7.2 (-0.7)
6. DAYS	7.0 (-0.2)
7. ATWT	6.7 (-1.0)
8. CAP	5.6 (-0.7)
9. AW	5.4 (-0.2)
10. LOV	4.1 (+0.4)
11. SB	3.5 (+0.2)
12. RH	3.2 (-1.6)
12. SFT	3.2 (-0.1)
14. EON	2.6 (-0.6)

 

A truly rotten year for everyone except SB and LOV, though NBC generally came away relatively unscathed. In RH vs. LOV's case, I would expect that the numbers would be more or less reversed if they'd not moved timeslots, which would have made RH's drop seem far less jarring. ATWT definitely needed a new headwriter at this point, truly not surprised Marland was brought on shortly after this.

As I think I mentioned upthread, this is the first year that VCRs truly took off, so I imagine some of the drop off in viewership is down to that, plus the upturn in the economy meaning more folks are out of the house during the day.

ABC and CBS saw significant drops this season. NBC was the most stable.

Not surprised Capitol saw a drop between ATWT and GL, which lost 1 point and .7 respectively. Even YR was down quite a bit. 

RH was completely killed off by its move, only to give Loving a slight boost which wouldn't mean much in the long run. 

Nice bump for OLTL. Overall numbers have been dipping, but GH and YR remain as the frontrunners

3 hours ago, dragonflies said:

I'm broke AF 

Have you tried searching on Amazon.com for Dallas season 2? You can watch those episodes in the same way free w/ ads. I noticed long ago that Amazon had lumped season 1 and 2 together, but makes no reference or indication of this which can be very confusing - especially for those that aren't familiar with the series. Anyway, you can watch on your computer then switch over to the seasons that are available on your streaming device.

2 hours ago, I Am A Swede said:

Donna Reed was horribly miscast as Miss Ellie. I could perhaps have seen her as a replacement for Martha Scott as Sue Ellen's mother, but as Miss Ellie she was so wrong in every way.

Agree. She did not fit the role, but I can definitely see her as Sue Ellen's mother. 

4 hours ago, soapfave06 said:

I meant more so in relation to if they managed to increase the affiliate percentage, the ratings would easily outdo Loving, Ryan’s Hope and other floundering soaps, but I’m sure that’s not as easy as we think, so I agree from a business standpoint, Edge, Loving, Ryan’s Hope, all needed to go. 

I agree. The numbers Edge was pulling with such modest clearance, it could have definitely faired better with more affiliates. Of course, it is difficult to say how much better, but frustrating that more wasn't done about getting it on affiliates. However, as pointed out it comes down to money and there must have been reasons why...im sure some affiliates had more revenue with local programming at 4 than if they aired EON. 

8 hours ago, I Am A Swede said:

I recognize J.R. and Sue Ellen, but who's the third one supposed to be? Pamela? It looks more like Afton in a red wig.... 

Really? I think it looks like Pam 

1 hour ago, kalbir said:

October 8, 1984: ABC moves Ryan's Hope to noon ET and Loving to 12:30 pm ET.

Seems to have given Loving a boost, but ended up hurting RH even further. 

21 minutes ago, kalbir said:

@JoeCool CBS's June 8, 1981 move of Y&R to 12:30 pm ET lead to it becoming a killer show that destroyed every soap in its path: Ryan's Hope, Loving, The City, Port Charles on ABC. The Doctors, Search for Tomorrow, Generations on NBC.

Yes, but AMC was in a very different place than those other soaps. I feel YR and AMC would have given each other stiff competition- in fact AMC might have prevented YR from recuperating and growing as quickly especially around that time. 

2 hours ago, beebs said:

1983-84 really shook things up. The season + summer (vs. 1982-83) (yes, I know Fast Nationals aren't 100% accurate so take it with a grain of salt if you're so inclined):

1. GH 9.9 (+0.1)
2. AMC 8.8 (-0.4)
3. Y&R 8.6 (+0.4)
4. GL 7.9 (+0.5)
5. OLTL 7.8 (-0.2)
6. ATWT 7.7 (+0.2)
7. DAYS 7.2 (+1.3)
8. CAP 6.3 (+0.4)
9. AW 5.6 (+0.5)
10. RH 4.8 (-0.5)
11. LOV 3.7 (-0.1)
12. SFT 3.3 (+0.4)
13. SB 3.3 --
14. EON 3.2 (-0.5)

Obviously DAYS is the big winner this year, Bo and Hope really helped lift the show, and in some ways the rest of NBC Daytime, out of the gutter, even SFT getting a significant lift this year.

Luke & Laura's return helped GH for awhile, but their departure, and DA's, tanked the show the rest of the year, so they stayed pretty much flat vs. 82-83. This seems to have had a knock-on effect to the rest of ABCD, with the rest of the lineup posting year-on-year losses. Will be interesting to see how Rauch/O'Shea lift OLTL up in the coming year, as well as the effect the timeslot swap has on RH vs. LOV.

I'm assuming October 8 is when RH & LOV moved?

Looks like only the ABC soaps went down (aside from GH), but they were coming off an unsustainable high IMO. 

DAYS has definitely had an incredible shift.

1 hour ago, Liberty City said:

Bloom's take on Dusty was so different to McCouch. Makes me wonder why the change...? I know there was a major gap of time between Bloom & McCouch, but still..

Yes. Do you feel like Marie Wilson's take on Meg was also very different from Jennifer's? I remember thinking McCouch was so hot at the time, but now in retrospect I may prefer Bloom's looks...lol. Probably off topic but anyway 

She was wrong

9 minutes ago, kalbir said:

Twice in the 1980s there were 14 soaps on the air: March 29-December 31, 1982 and July 30-December 28, 1984.

The 1980s began with 13 soaps and ended with 12 soaps.

Both of those periods, although short lived, are also the most hours of daytime TV dedicated to soap operas at 11.5 hours across the Big 3. 

With all these streaming platforms, I'm hoping one of them takes a swing at developing a soap opera. It is clear that the model for releasing new content has changed. These platforms are no longer dropping an entire series on the same day, rather choosing to go with a gradual weekly release- which makes good business sense. If someone is really into watching a series, they would have to remain subscribed for three/four months to catch new episodes in real time as opposed to just signing up on the day of release and binging and cancelling. As competition grew, im sure more budget conscious viewers may have subscribed for limited periods to watch a particular series and then cancel instead of maintaining multiple simultaneous subscriptions which is obviously costly. A daily soap that can hold even a modest audience and is cheaper to produce than a 10/12 episode series would be well worth the investment.