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I liked Sam's assessment of Jason to Dante. "His openness and honesty draws Danny in which makes him a threat." Looks and the whole badboy aesthetic baside, this is clearly why Jason has continued to be a woman magnet for years. Not to mention playijg the role of captain save a h*e -- befriending troubled women and pretending to be the father of their child (Sam, Carly). It's also why he comes off as more likeable/sympathetic at times than Sonny.

I feel like Lois and Olivia are essentially the same charachter and putting Olivia with Ned was their substitute for no Lois. Both ladies play the same archetype--- brash and sassy Italian woman with a latina flair. Then again we have Michael, Chase, Dex, etc... serving the same function. Similarly, when Billy Miller's Drew was in simultaneously with Jason it was two in the same expect Miller's was an imitation of Burton. That why I like Ryan's more animated portrayal of Drew---it differentiates him from Jason.

Really? I thought he was pretty good. I am all for the angle of Kristina being *the one child in Sonny's corner but her cluelessness to his level of criminality does not work. Her character has been well aware of this for years not to mention the whole mob princess reality show storyline they tried to do back in the day. *This is the exact same way Josslyn thinks of Dex and Jason. Why is everyone so outraged that Sonny beat Cyrus who did so many things the year before??? Just because Cyrus was weak and in jail does not lessen that.

Not Joss confiding in Sonny's hitman of nearly 30 years about how Dex "is not the kind of guy that would kill for money", lol. There are other shows on TV that have criminal protagonists yet do not prop them up or excuse their behavior this much.

A massive cast is why I found it hard to follow the history of ATWT as opposed to the smaller and orbit structured cast of Y&R. ( Plus classic ATWT youtube videos artificially full episodes instead of individual story line playlists which also makes the show harder to follow). As others have said, GH does not have a proper timeline for the beginning middle and end of storylines, they start, drop off, Pick back up, and end at random times. It's good that GH is more of an ensemble now than under Guza, but the way they show a structure. Now it's hard to figure out which storylines are central. IMO Bill Bell was the best at storyline structure. His stories had clear starts, climaxes and endings, with great filler to keep things going. Everyone didn't interact with everyone, so there wasn't character connections all over the maps to confuse the viewer.

Stephanie vs Sheila B&B. We often talk about their respective feuds with Lauren and Brooke but this was epic.

This! Even if they don't care genuinely care about black stories, from a business perspective, with Winter's success on y&r, surprisingly other soaps didn't take heed to attract that demo. Trina, Curtis & co are more diversity than GH has in years but their storylines are lacking.

Sean Kenan & Laura Wright as well as Billy Warlock & SJB had some toxic sexual energy the level of Alan & Monica. That would have been a more entertaining pairing than Carly and Drew and the poor attempt at Carly & Jason in 2021. It's amazing that a pairing that had so much behind it to work just fell flat. On paper the Britt story could have worked. Jason finally having a non-Sam romantic lead, only to have to marry Carly. Too bad the writing sucked.

Boy I really needed those explainer scenes between Jason and Carly today! I dipped out of GH around in 2023 because most of the channels that post *high resolution* scenes from daily episodes of GH were taken down. The only two remaining channels exclusively posted Dante and Sam or Spencer and Trina scenes.

This is a testment to how the fans have kept the genre alive through pure dedication and nostalgia despite the the genre's quality erosion and near total collapse. I could feel the nostalgia effect driving change around 2017 when we saw returns of charachters like Sheila Carter & Jason Morga, as well as the relaunch of B&B's classic intros.Y&R's charachter history episodes, holiday classics and pandemic classics were also proof of nostalgia's power in soaps.

Yes! More variety in daytime! Let's hope it's written properly!!!! and let's hope this leads to more soaps...and more diversity on soaps. CBS tends to do well in rural areas so let's hope those audiences support this show as much as black viewers have supported Y&R. Finally a soap (other than Y&R attempts to give one of their biggest demographics leading stories). Not that GH is ratings powerhouse, but I am curious as to which soap will prevail in ratings...but that's getting ahead of ourselves.

The eclipse coverage might have seemed like overkill, but at least it's one uncontroversial event that the entire nation can rally around. This is so needed, especially in the same year as what is bound to be a tumultuous election.

I feel the same way about Byron Allen. Love that we have a successful billionaire black media magnate, but he delivers crap product. His judge shows are cheap and casted with fake actors, and I believe his news stations are just as unfortunate. I don't know how many of you remember but during the 1 month gap between ATWT's ending and The Talk's launch in Sep/Oct 2010, I recall CBS in NYC airing Y&R again at 2pm. I don't recall the episodes looking like classics, they may have been recent reruns. I would like to see classic soaps air during the intermittent period. Even though you can get old episodes of B&B online, It feels like full-blown nostalgia to watch classic episodes live on TV in the afternoon. It recreates the appointment viewing feeling. I still do not think it is a wise idea to llaunchThe Gates as a 1 hour Soap. To those advocating, for 30 minute reboots of ATWT and Guiding Light, I would love that as well. The question is, with so many actors and writers dead/retired, how good would the reboots be?

Just to confirm... does Tyler Perry have no writers at all??? It's a shame that the most powerful black producer/creator in Hollywood delivers a s*it product. His refusal to hire writers and seeming ignorance of how bad his work is is astounding. There are a few Tyler Perry Productions like House of Pane that I enjoy, but others just fall flat. Finally CBS has given up on The Talk!

Yes! From what I saw of 2002, Carly's presumed death, Sonny & Alexis's affair, Carly & Zander's friendship, Alexis's pregnancy and Kristina Sr's death, Brenda's return were all great... Didn't *Sonny also fake his death around that time, and Carly had to meet with the five families (which was repeated in 2021 lol) Damn that's alot of Sonny centered stuff. The sad part was Rick Webber and Laura's destructions. From 2003 Ric and the panic room was good. I'm fuzzy on the rest.

With the news of Ole Orenthal's passing, how much can we attribute the decline of the genre to preemptions during his trial, and the appetite for reality television that the trial began?

Exactly! So many others deserve to go before Ava: Dex, Cyrus, Nina, Willow, Sasha, Curtis, Sam... The problem is they just haven't written properly for Ava. I do agree with the poster who said Frank hires big name actors and keeps them around past their expiration date. His stunt casting with no story trend needs to stop. On Jagger...Does every Gen X leading man have to pass through Carly lol! Sony looks like he hasn't slept in weeks. MB had some serious bags under his eyes today.

Maura West is the antithesis of Kelly Monaco. Kelly delivers her lines in a (currently disinterested) casual/regular conversation way. Maura does an old-school soap campy cadence. Sometimes Maura is brilliant, other times she's cartoonish. But I will take what Maura is giving (drama, enthusiasm, theatrics) over current Kelly any day. Loved her as ATWT's Carly, and I totally see why she was chosen as Y&R's Diane. Had she been given her own character rather than being in the shadow of Susan Walers & Alex Donnelly, her run might have been successful.

Yes! I've always though of Ava as alternate Faith! Not sure which one of them I like more. I am surprised to see the support for the Drew/Nina scene, lol! Where are they going with Carly/Jagger. So far I see Carly's rescue as a catalyst for Jagger to soften and drop his leverage on her....dare I say romantic intentions pitted against Jason???

YUP. Unlike the Bold & the Beautiful, GH doesnt rush through stories which burns out villains. GH writes improperly for villains. Trying to get us to smypathize with Esme & Cyrus hasn't been working (for me at least). Yup. If I recall correctly, hasn't Kristina been one of the most vocal children in calling her father out before Michael did? Anyway thats the GH trope. Have people call out the mobsters then go right back to propping them in a few years.

As bad as Josslyn can become I loved seeing her call out Sonny for what he really is, and I loved that Carly did not disagree with her. But...who cares if Sonny beat up Cyrus --- a criminal? Why is that what sparks outrage amongst all the other things Sonny has done? There Molly is again, caught up in a clear conflict of interest then defending her sister in the end. GH has a habit of having a decent villain, but then dragging them out past their expiration date: Cyrus and Esme ("now dead")

OLTL: Todd raped Blair... only she thought he did...because it was a brain tumor that made her misconstrue rough sex. Was that a rewrite or the originally planned story?

The concept of this thread is hilarious! Liam would be the biggest earthquake, Finn would be concequential but not as big. Thomas (again) would also be a massive scandal.

KTLA has news from 4am-2pm then again from 3-7 pm not to mention they produce entertainment shows at 2&7pm. From what I've seen, their not like CNN with panel discussions, to film airtime, it's all packages an anchor read overs. Just excessive. panel discussions, to film airtime, it's all packages and anchor read overs. I agree with @SteelCity less hours is more when it comes to news. Interesting. CBS did have a rocky period with affiliates. In 1994 when Fox bought NFL rights, dozens of their affilates defected to Fox. And in cities like Atlanta CBS was forced to affiliate with bottom feeder stations with high dial numbers ---Ch 46.

Fair points What happened with SJB and Steve Burton👀 I've read before that the reason Jason and Carly (an obvious couple) have not been paired is because of Burton's refusal. I've also seen it suggested that Kelly Monaco wanted to be paired with Billy Miller instead of Burton. I can believe it. Monaco has not shown in one ounce of enthusiasm in her acting with Burton---then again her acting's become dull with everyone. Maybe I need to rewatch, but I never bought Billy Miller as Jason, nor have I felt any spark between him and Kelly Monaco. Britt and Jason actually felt like a decent pairing before the writers screwed that up. It sucks that Genie never got full respect as she should have been the Viki Lord of GH-- the longsuffering CENTRAL female heroine. At least she's getting some of that now.