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Thank you so much to the '96 Anonymous Angel who just uploaded a big batch of eps!

3 hours ago, Broderick said:

My recollection is that Eve was constantly trying to make Victor "bond" with young Charles Victor during Eve's first run in 1980.  But then again, nothing much during that period of time made a lot of sense.  

The little kid (Charles Victor) was blond, and looked nothing at all like Victor.  But then it turned out Eve Howard and Derek Thurston knew each other, and the two of them reconnected to steal Victor's medical records (the vasectomy) and send the file to Julia Newman.   When I learned Derek already knew Eve (and Charles Victor was blond like Derek Thurston), I assumed the kid was Derek Thurston's son.  But then Derek was dumped from the show, and that was that.  lol.  

Maybe Joe LaDue's random exit was due to Jeanne Cooper's absence from the majority of the first half of '81 (perhaps because she was in rehab...? she mentions rehab in her memoir but doesn't provide dates).

There was such a set-up in fall '80 to have Kay marooned on the island with Felipe and then seems like it wrapped up in 1-2 eps at the beginning of '81. Would make sense if the writers had to craft a quick exit for JC.

1 hour ago, YRfan23 said:

What else is a bit distracting and proves they did retcon some of the Eve/Cole stuff, is that I thought Victor did spend some time with “Cole” (Charles) when he was a kid and I feel Cole would have remembered those encounters?

They did lots of retcons around that time... like in '93 how "crazy Eve" was completely ignored. So it's even stranger that just last week, the show acknowledged "crazy Eve" with that flashback!

I wonder if there was ever a scene in the 90s where Jill meets Cole and says “Remember me? You and your mom were boarders in my home when you were a toddler 

Wow! Is this site related to the official BnB channel? How do they have access to the full catalog in HQ?

Ellen’s op-ed from NYT 8/10/69

https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1969/08/10/issue.html
 

30 minutes ago, YRfan23 said:

Haha you are too funny!!
 

as terrible as I use to think it was of Bergman to pretend Keemo and Luan never existed, I definitely understand not to a degree why he felt that way. The dialogue and scenes are More cringey then they are heartwarming IMO.
 

On 10/5 or 10/6/94, the biggest cringe for me is Jack and Luan’s reunion and the way Jack says: “Hello Mai-yung” with the hint of a Vietnamese twang in his voice!  

 

 I can barely make it through all these scenes without fast-forwarding. They are so cringe. Elizabeth Sung and Phillip Moon were talented actors and it sucks that they were stuck with such stilted dialogue. 

19 hours ago, Khan said:

God bless Peter Bergman, but he's basically playing "Dr. Cliff Abbott" (or "Jack Warner," whichever you prefer).

I am currently watching 11/8/94 where Jack reveals to Keemo that he is Keemo's father, and Jack says "I honestly think you'll grow to like me" and I had to snicker as I never grew to like Peter Bergman's portrayal of Jack after 34 years 

10 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

Thanks. I may just check March ‘87 then.

Here's Brett's exact airdates:

Dec 08, 09, 10, 12, 15 1986

Mar 09 - 13 & 17 - 20 1987

2 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

While I was on a YouTube channel that posts many soap opera episodes from the 1980s and 90s, I saw an actor in the screenshot of an episode of Search For Tomorrow whose face I recognized from an episode of The Golden Girls but I didn’t remember his name, so I did some sleuthing on IMDB and deduced that his name is Brett Porter. Apparently, he subbed for Terry Lester’s Jack Abbott for a few episodes in December 1986. I remember the storyline of Paul’s centerfold photo going “viral” in an 80s way but I don’t remember anyone filling in for Terry Lester. There is an episode in the Vault but it’s in German so I can’t really get a clear idea of Porter in the role but he does look the part.

He also subbed for a few eps in March ‘87.

I think he would have made a better full-time replacement than Peter Bergman.

1 hour ago, kalbir said:

@lucaslesann23 Nick and Sharon ate the show from Fall 1994 through Spring 1996, then there was a lull in the storylines from Fall 1996 through first half of 1997. Remember that this was the aftermath of OJ and Y&R's time slot rival Reilly's Days was blowing up.

I would also blame Phyllis for the show-eating during this period.

18 hours ago, divinemotion said:

Thank you... Its very hard sometimes since episodes have different scene cuts sometimes AND even different music cuts. Some of them were a mess to do... like 1 hour an episode to just cut and sync. But some of them are easier. 

I am glad that at least 1 or 2 people are liking them. I was a bit surprised that nobody else cares and was thinking of stopping... since I guess probably all are waiting for the videoland versions of the episodes... BUT videoland will catch up with 2001 and 2002.. in..couple of YEARS. That's why I decided to do it.

And now I see that there ARE people that want them so I will continue. 

I am mostly doing them for me and my husband since we are approaching 2001 and 2002 in our WATCH FROM DAY 1 experiment.  I personally have no problem with  bad quality but my husband always complains and complains so I am doing this to please him. And share them with you guys.

Thank you so much!

I watched 2001 and 2002 a couple years ago, so probably won't be revisiting that era in the near future. 

It's wonderful to know that your high-quality versions are being added to the archive.

12 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

it really makes it seem like Paul was the standby after things fell apart with Danny. 

Paul kind of was the standby at the time, in 1994, but by 1998, when the truth came out of everything Phyllis did, and Cricket could make a clear informed choice between Paul and Danny.... she chose Paul.

6 hours ago, te. said:

I don't know why they insisted that Peter Reckell should have an Irish accent. It's Amy Locane's-Southern-Accent bad.

And then in his second season, the accent disappeared.

Anyone watch live today? I set "record" on my Hulu DVR but for some reason it's delayed. Wondering if there were any "new" vintage clips...

3 hours ago, BoldKara said:

Where do you see the episode for 2/28/95? I don't see it in the Feb or March folder for either full episodes or clips? I can see the 3/1 and 3/2 clips no problem there. Thank you.

Hmm I see what you mean about 2/28/95 not being in the vault... but I swear to god I just watched it!  based on this below recap I found from the old 90s soaps message boards. I'm away from home for work so can't check my downloaded files now. When I get home, if I find it, I'll reply back.

2/28/95: BRAD/LAUREN/SHEILA/ERIC/MARJORIE 

Lauren's Executive Office (in case you didn't know that's what kind of 
office it is, we are given several closeups on the nameplate throughout the 
show):  Lauren is busy clearing her desk in preparation for her trip to LA 
when Brad enters. After rehashing the fact that Lauren in on her way to LA 
and Forrester Creations, Brad wants to know her game plan. Now we rehash the 
James/Sheila stuff. Brad wonders if Lauren is actually planning on seeing 
Sheila. 

Eric Forrester's Office (I don't know if it's an Executive Office or not 
since they did not let me see the nameplate. Perhaps the office is waiting 
to be promoted to Executive Office and didn't want to be compared to 
Lauren't Executive Office.): Sheila is on the phone playing power executive. 
She has a snit when she can't get her way with the person on the other end. 
The guy I think is Eric comes in and gives her several things to do for him, 
including booking a suite at the Four Seasons for Fenmore for tonight. 
Sheila quietly freaks. Eric is confused about why this should surprise her. 
Sheila thinks he could save Lauren a long plane flight by sending her a 
catalog. Eric says Lauren doesn't mind the flight and besides, they are good 
friends. He leaves. Sheila slams her notepad down and wonders what the h*!! 
Lauren is up to. 

Lauren's Executive Office: Brad is concerned about what Lauren will do if 
she has to socialize with Sheila and warns her to stay as far away from 
Sheila as possible. Lauren feels she can handle Sheila and besides, they 
have some unresolved business and it's time to put an end to that.  Lauren 
says Sheila put her through living h*!! and it's time for her to pay for 
what she did. Brad thinks that revenge could be dangerous but he can't 
change Lauren's mind. So he warns her to be careful. (Now, isn't Brad the 
one who didn't want Ashley to go on vacation with the harmless Blade and had 
to tag along to protect her? But he's going to let Lauren go off to 
rendevous with a homicidal maniac with only a stern warning? Nice boyfriend, 
real helpful guy.) 

Eric's Forrester's Incognito Office: Sheila is ranting to herself. She can't 
let Lauren come here. She has to stop her. Using Eric's address book, she 
calls the airlines to get a seat on the next flight to Genoa City. To show 
how very important this is, she agrees to accept a seat in the coach section 
as it is all that is left. It leaves in an hour. 

The Elevator and Hallway at Fenmore's: Sheila arrives on the elevator. (Gee, 
traveling coach is rough. There weren't even any seats in that thing.) She 
opens the Executive Office door without knocking and is distressed to see 
that Margaret, no uh, Marily, no that's not it, uh Marjorie, yes that's it 
Marjorie is still there. She knows that Marjorie will recognize her and not 
let her anywhere near Lauren. She places a call to Marjorie from the handy 
Just For Sheila pay phone outside the Executive Office and pretends to be 
from the recieving dock. Marjorie tries to blow her off but eventually 
Sheila convinces her she must go down to recieving to sign for a package 
from Paris (ou la la!)  

Lauren's Executive Office: Marjorie lets Lauren know where she is going. 
Lauren in sitting on a couch opening letters with a sharp letter opener when 
the phone rings. She crosses to her desk and puts down the opener. (No, no 
pick it back up! Can't you hear the music? AIEEEEE!)  

Hallway at Fenmore's: Sheila watches Marjorie leave and enters stealthily, 
trailed by loud, eerie music. 

Lauren's Executive Office: Lauren has seated herself in the chair behind her 
desk and is conveniently turned facing away from the door as Sheila, 
trailing her music and heavy breathing sound effects, enters. She 
immediately spots the sharp letter opener and makes a move for it just as 
Lauren is hanging up. Sheila doesn't get it although I don't see why, Lauren 
couldn't have stopped her. She just wimped out. Lauren says the Y&R line 
(Sunday School version): Sheila, what the H*!! are you doing here? Sheila 
couldn't wait to see her, they need to talk. Lauren reminds her that she is 
on her way to LA momentarily. In fact she has a dinner date with Sheila's 
husband tonight. Sheila is not thrilled. 

Nice interview with LLB

(except the interviewer makes the glaring error of stating Cricket debuted in 1984, when everyone knows she debuted July 15, 1983)

https://www.tvinsider.com/1105975/the-young-and-the-restless-lauralee-bell-40th-anniversary-episode-preview/

4 hours ago, sheilaforever said:

Come on. It's THE TRUTH! 

PS: do we have those 1995 Y&R episodes with Sheila in the Vault?

Yes! Full ep for 2/28 and clips for 3/1 and 3/2

@YRfan23 have you seen 1984/1985, 2/24 and 2/27/95? It has key Sheila scenes you will love.

Sheila finally tells Mike about her past with Lauren. They're good flashbacks to the farmhouse. And it's so funny, because Sheila admits committing heinous crimes like the baby switch and kidnapping Lauren, but she leaves out important facts that are less flattering to her  

She describes her and Scott as being "so in love". But she forgets mentioning that she had to drug Scott to get him to impregnate her, and she doesn't tell Mike that Scott and Lauren were married! She makes Lauren sound like "the other woman" who got pregnant. 

6 hours ago, Videnbas said:

I find the Anthony Armando storyline of 1995 absolutely fascinating! It's one of my all-time favorites, for many reasons. It is just brilliantly structured (it is Anthony's introduction storyline played backwards, combined with clever variations on many major plot points from Thorne and Macy's previous storylines), it has hints of Faust, Shakespeare's Othello, and folk tales like Little Red Riding Hood, and Michael Sabatino is great as a psychotic villain.

Sounds like the first half of 95 will be quite exciting, with both the Anthony and Sheila stories approaching their climaxes!

https://fb.watch/nZrL9i7jyF/
 

Yay! Confirmed that LLBs 40th anniversary show on Thursday will include vintage clips.

I’ve been skipping through late ’93 to early ’95, only for the Sheila story. But the Anthony Armando story is slowly catching my attention. I am a HUGE fan of Knots Landing and Michael Sabatino’s stint as Chip Roberts. I know what a compelling psycho he can play.

Throughout ’94, Anthony seemed rather innocuous, but now that we’ve entered ’95 and Macy has rejected Anthony to be engaged to Thorne, I see Anthony scheming and putting his plans into place… how do events lead to Anthony murdering his new love interest Ivana?? Color me intrigued.

= = =

As mentioned, I’ve been scrolling to get an understanding of Sheila’s story during this time period. I am shocked and disappointed to realize that nothing of any significance happens during this long stretch of time of late ’93 (post-Catalina) to early ’95!

Of course Sheila’s story was interrupted by KB’s maternity leave in Jan '94. But she returned April ’94 and nothing important happens for almost a year!

The only events of note are a couple weeks in June ’94 when Jay Garvin dies, and then Sheila sleeping with Connor to get pregnant with “Eric’s baby” which winds up being a big zero, and a couple intriguing eps in Dec ’94 with James grilling Sheila in Big Bear before he is called away to Taylor in Morocco. .

Nothing happens after that for another two entire months! That’s a long time. I’m finally at 1982 2/22/95 and Sheila’s story is heating up.

Perhaps the writers felt that the Sheila/Lauren story needed a “rest” for 1994? I can’t help but think that’s an entire year of much wasted potential.

= = =

Adding my thanks to the Angel for the continuous uploads! It’s a dream come true for the complete BnB ‘90s archive!

1 hour ago, Vee said:

It's been a looong time coming, but here's some hopefully not too pretentious thoughts on some of the closing eps of KL Season 6 (my last is all the way back on page 121). I finished it some weeks ago but have been meaning to synthesize these notes for a long while now; life, work and health got in the way. I'm splitting these up again because there's just a little too much to say for one post.

Ep 24 (A Man of Good Will):

• The first writing credit for the now famous or infamous Latham/Lechowick duo, depending on who you ask. It's also got a female director (Linda Day) and has an early, startling image of Abby who - after biting off more than she can chew confronting some of the Empire Valley men - prancing out of their offices in a gigantic fur with plucky music playing, which is an interesting tonal note. Her determination to get Galveston's papers is left ambiguous for some time; does she want them simply to protect herself, or to help Val in the inevitable endgame with the babies? Or both?
• The phone wiretap/information warfare subplot in this episode with Sumner and a surprisingly-not-bald Stephen Tobolowosky hacking Gary's credit rating is, like a lot of the EV story, bracingly modern and way ahead of its time, but also a bit too James Bond and episodic, feeling like a weekly supervillain scheme. But Gary/Abby and Greg/Laura as dueling couples is always great fun. 
• Cathy's amazing blue spandex? pleather? outfit while singing "We Belong Together" is a certified Lewk, as the kids say. But Lisa Hartman is really so much better an actress than simply playing the increasingly-put upon woman. I understand why it happens to Cathy over and over given her background and history we became privy to last season (groomed and abused by her first, older spouse) but I would've liked to see her grow further beyond it like most of the women on the show have over the years and elevate herself while staying on the sow, and we know Cathy doesn't have much further to run post-Joshua.
• You can see early suggestions of what the L&L team might do with the show here in various material; the rapid-fire patter between Laura and the rarely-seen Jason about his school science project is idiosyncratic but also a smart way to illustrate her moral dilemma re: Greg's machinations with Gary, while also allowing Constance McCashin's deadpan wit to shine. Sumner has a great, enlightening line in this hour too about dogs: "They don't have any conscience. Do you suppose that's why they're man's best friend?" The dialogue is also more informal and loose in various places across the board; Mack saying 'que paso,' one of the kids saying 'mellow out, dude' IIRC, and there's a move to more and more domestic cul-de-sac vignettes like Laura's home and the MacKenzies, which is much appreciated.
• A prime example of this which also leads into a lovely subplot: Eric and Michael watching a Western with the sound off while the boys grouse about Knots Landing Motors. Eric doesn't want to be keeper of Sid's flame anymore, wants to sell, and this leads to the wonderful, tender scene with him and Karen at Sid's grave. Steve Shaw actually sells a very good monologue about wearing his father's coveralls for too long, while Michele Lee simply, gracefully replaces Sid's flowers and sets him free. "Hey, you need a haircut."
• I know some things about future stories, but not a ton. That's why I was absolutely floored at the close of this ep when Gary and Abby, brought low by Greg's schemes, are on the verge of selling Empire Valley... only to discover Galveston left Gary everything. I was shocked and the look on Abby's face alone is priceless. What an ending.

Ep 25 (For Better, For Worse):

• It was nice to see Greg finally lose his studied cool over his father's will: "I can't believe he did this to me!" It's important we get to see him finally undone, and Laura clearly enjoys it too, asking him why he's not laughing his way through it: "I especially admire your coolness under pressure." God bless Constance McCashin.
• The fallout from the will reveal extends to a favorite scene of mine: The Ewings having a family meeting about their major financial windfall at a local fast food diner. Gary and the kids are super into it, while a teeth-grinding Abby is waiting on lobster. When she finally breaks and begs for champagne and caviar, Gary is indulgent and gets her: "Wild extravagance, is that what you want?" Abby: "Yes, please!" Gary relents, but not before buying the entire restaurant double cheeseburgers - you can't take the rodeo rider out of the cul-de-sac, and it perfectly merges the two worlds of the show. I loved it. I also loved Abby later taunting Greg about being his new landlord, while he offers her arsenic on the rocks.
• I do love how we keep seeing Val getting back to her writing, jotting away on notepads in every funky perch and corner of her house amidst the various domestic scenes as Joshua's grip on the family tightens. His latest TV sermon randomly brings up the polluted town of Wesphall and the Galveston development there, espousing the corporatist deep-state gospel of Empire Valley. This stunned me as well as both Ben and Abby; where was he getting that from? Who was in his ear?
• In her pursuit of Dr. Ackerman, Karen has now spent multiple episodes investigating every bridge tournament across the West Coast of the United States and possibly points east. This is a unique and baffling narrative choice. There is a very funny bit where her endless quest-by-phone continues in the background of a home scene where Michael and Mack are working on his school photography project, only for Karen to wreck it before finally jetting off to Vegas for yet more bridge.
• This episode, I think, marks the first appearance of a brief new subplot, namely Eric's new girlfriend Whitney who happens to be Black, something he's nervous about given the era. The family takes it in stride, but there's a nice bit to come with it in the next episode. Val and Laura both look real thrilled to be walking down the aisle for Cathy and Joshua in this one, while Cathy bucks Joshua's conservative choice for her wedding gown and shows up in her own. But a horse drawn carriage, really? Also of note: Val catching the bouquet and trading a look with Ben.
• Sumner finally takes Greg to meet the ominous Men in Black Suits this week to tell him the truth about Empire Valley, and he later meets the strange and imposing Coblenz, who positions himself as the 'good guy' government liaison monitoring Empire Valley. This seems like an obvious con, but from hereon Gary is officially part of the EV conspiracy and encouraged to lie to his loved ones.

Episode 26/27 (Four, No Trump/A Price to Pay):

Abby: You know I do what I have to do to get what I want. But I don't do this.

• They never fail to show Abby caring for her children, and as paranoia mounts for the Ewings and a questionable car accident runs the kids off the road in 26 (possibly an intimidation tactic against Gary by Coblenz and Empire Valley) her guilt eats away at her, leading to her great scene with Greg this week with the above quote as she confesses all about Val and the babies. A brilliant note they didn't have to play but do is how she opens by bringing up Jeff stealing her kids a few seasons ago - I hadn't even thought of it. She clarifies finally for the audience that she wants the babies back with Val, which is so important and of a piece wih how their handling of Abby's involvement in this story has been so deft and smart from the beginning - thank God Donna Mills made sure she would not be fully culpable. Unfortunately for Abby, Greg already has Galveston's incriminating pages (of course).
• Karen finally catching up to Ackerman and confronting him is a bit unsettling, if relevant to our times; his wide-eyed, thousand-yard stare and rising anger is genuinely frightening as he denies everything and spouts on about her 'profaning the sacredness of his work.' How many times have we heard men wax messianic about interfering with women's bodies in the last few years?
• Ben and Val have a lot of aggressive sensuality throughout these episodes as they canoodle with a giant tub of ice cream, an intriguing comparison study to Gary and Abby - just because Val's story has centered around motherhood and making or losing a family does not diminish her as a sexual being. But Val can't sleep at Ben's because she keeps waking up to feed her missing babies, and finally admits to Karen that she knows they're alive. This is presented more as a character beat for Joan Van Ark than simply plot, which keeps the show grounded. This extends further into Episode 27, another David Jacobs-helmed episode, where the commitment to Ben and Val is once again reinforced; they gleefully ditch Joshua's big family dinner (with Joshua now coldly freezing newlywed Cathy out for sex), cruise around in gorgeous exterior shots with voice-over, then duet on piano before finally dancing together at home to, uh, "Send in the Clowns"? Weird choice. But this show still has so much atmosphere and character texture than Dallas even for smaller moments like these, while Dallas remains purely, nakedly plot-schematic at this point in its run.
• After Ben proposes we Val wandering in the night surf on the beach, then finally confessing to him she can't marry him with the baby issue unresolved. Jacobs gives us another of his typically stunning tableaus here, with them embracing on the rocks in the morning sun. It seems clear the show has picked its lane with these characters throughout the latter half of Season 6, but we know that will change.
• I waxed rhapsodic about it in one of my recent rambling posts which feel like ten years ago, but the Ruth Galveston story seems to have run aground - all Ruth and Laura do at this point is snipe at each other, while Ruth grooms Abby to be Gary's rightful mate. But more on that soon. They do get one great exchange when a post-coital Laura comes to breakfast in Ep 27:

Ruth: You look very self-satisfied this morning.

Laura: Self had nothing to do with it.

• I will admit I laughed at Mack's perhaps not-well-aged crack about Eric's girlfriend Whitney: "Guess who's coming to dinner?" But the truth is the show handles it fairly well, I think; Whitney's race is never actually explicitly mentioned, because Eric is the only one nervous or upset about it at all. His parents don't care, and this leads to a lovely scene with Lilimae. "I didn't know you were so old-fashioned," she laughs. "There's no problem, Eric. You just have to throw away the poison." Unfortunately I'm not sure we ever see Whitney again, who seemed like a lovely girl. Another love interest for Eric falls by the wayside!
• Speaking of Eric, nepo babies strike again as Abby tells Karen she'll okay 'your Eric' becoming assistant operations manager at Lotus Point. I'm not sure college boy Eric, cute though he is, is qualified to run herd on a development that size, but okay!
• Teri Austin debuts as a one-off character in Ep 27 as Jill Bennett, who I understand we will be seeing much more of for years to come. She instantly has a spark with Kevin Dobson, who lets Mack flirt a bit. You can see why they brought her back if this was really intended for a one-off - Jacobs goes in for close-ups on her. Greg intervening to try to lure Mack back into the fold with a Senate run is intriguing.
• Almost certainly a William Devane improv: Greg snapping at his loud dog to shut up when Gary drives up to the Galveston ranch. I cracked up. But I was surprised that he was already onto the Fisher family, which closes Ep 26.

More to come! (Shortly, I promise.)

Love it! Welcome back and can't wait for more.

Re: Teri Austin's one-off ep, she discusses it on the podcast in the above post! Thanks @SoapDope for posting that. 

Teri was friendly with David Jacobs from when they worked on a Canadian production, and when she moved to LA, she had lunch with him, and he said "hey, you don't happen to be free next week...? We have this small role..." and the rest is history.

When you finish season 7, I'll fill you in on how a TV Guide article at the time changed the trajectory of Teri's career...

Finally had a chance to watch the recently-uploaded July and Aug ‘94 eps (thanks again @PhilParis!)

Heidi Mark as Sharon’s acting was painful in the July scenes where Sharon met Nikki. But I did see improvement in the late August eps, where her delivery seemed more natural.

I actually enjoyed her scenes with Victoria-Ann Lewis’ Doris. I much preferred this Doris to Karen Hensel’s version. Victoria-Ann brought the necessary solemn, quiet dignity to the role, but also a much-needed maternal warmth (reminiscent of Liz Foster). I never felt that with Karen’s version, which was only stern and stiff to me.

Even with Heidi’s acting improvement, she probably couldn’t have handled the upcoming dramatically-heavy rape scenes, so it makes sense why they recast. But I wish they kept Victoria-Ann.

The whole thing of Sharon having giving birth to Cassie before moving to GC seems to have been a retcon, as Doris reminds Sharon to always use condoms during sex to avoid unwanted pregnancies, and there was no subtext to a previous pregnancy.

Just watched the Dec ‘94 Rotterdam concert eps for the first time. I didn’t realize Bobbie Eakes and Jeff Trachta were such a phenomenon in Europe back then.

Anyone on this board from Europe remember this timeframe? I’m wondering what the root of their appeal was, so much so that fans would fill a giant Rotterdam concert stadium on multiple nights!