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Even if Gretchen did admit to sleeping with the other guy, it wouldnt stop anything. Tamra and Vicki are obsessively jealous and hateful of her, so theyd still bring it up because its all they have to try and use against her. It makes them look terrible too because there are far more recent things they could use, and it isnt like they live in a skeleton free world either. None of it matters tho, because Vicki will never see that she is a hypocrite when the proof is literally in front of her (Her judgement of slade, then dating brooks, the biggest example) and Tamra is trash that married rich and left him when he wasnt so rich and she was to latch onto another man who seems hardly interested in her and I am sure has cheated a time or ten in her life that she would deny, deny, deny. I do think gretchen slept with him. I think Jeff knew and didnt care. I think out of respect for him and his kids, she isnt going to admit it and I dont blame her, esp because shes still close with his kids it seems. The treatment of her by them when she came on and her man was dying was truly disgusting, getting her blackout wasted and tamra pimping her son out to make her look bad is still one of the most shocking, disgusting moments in reality tv history and thats saying A LOT. And both Tamra and Vicki basically deny any wrongdoing. They are obsessed with her for many reasons, jealousy, need for story lines, trying to make themseleves look better, etc... and tamra is smart, she knows how to play this game and stay on the show and shifting friends and enemies is what works. she has made the show much better, and i think will cont to add a lot. i am sure next season she will turn on heather or new bff jesus juggs or horse and in the end try to being gretchen and vicki together. vicki is just a tragic mess all around in her personal life, sadly. she has no self worth, and thats why she throws herself into the one aspect of her life that is successful - work. she even seems to have basically lost brianna due to cheating on don with brooks and then forcing him into their lives and blaming don for basically everything. While I do think Vicki/Tamra/Gretchen are absolutely needed on this show, they also need some new dynamics. Heather was a great addition and still is, but they need to fire the other two and bring on two new people to see how they fit in and what they add to the show.

Lydia did well but it was clear she like made flash cards and studied backstage. Lol. She still adds nothing at all and needs to go. Along with Alexis. And no lauri doesn't need to come back but I'd take her over those two any day of the week. Tamra totally came off terribly wi the photos. She keeps coming back to Gretchen cheating on Jeff. Her and Vicki are truly obsessed with this and it's all eh have. Both of them are determined to prove she cheated on him to justify their shitty treatment of her and it fails every time.

No, because ive tried it so many times. Like if i catch it and dont turn the chan ill check it out, but thats it. Idk when NYC or BH is returning. Nothing has been announced as far as dates go. Prob in the fall, for both. I guess it will only be Miami for awhile but Bravo also has Top Chef returning and thats popular

I wish I could get into Mimai at all, let alone like you all have, because witbh my OC Queens gone, NYC and BH return awhile away, no Vanc s3, and quitting the disaster that is NJ and ATL, i am going throuhg withdraws.

I can't wait!

I'm so over horseface. Dancing with the stars is a backhanded comment when all you would kill to get on that show. Stop. Vicki... Brooks ruins what little I do like about her. I love heather and Gretchen. They are bashing this out without being childish about it. They both stand their ground, say how they feel, and communicate even if they don't see eye to eye. Heather is a condensing bitch tho and I'm glad Gretchen called her out on it. I think heather can't stand that Gretchen was offered a role or a chance at a role on a show she got on. And the truth about why heather has all this hostility aimed at Gretchen due to hot in cleave lend. And is get that. That's a real issue and valid but she should have addressed it before letting all this [!@#$%^&*] build. And heather is spot on Gretchen's apology being [!@#$%^&*]. Vicki's obsession with Gretchen pops up again. Sad, pathetic and tragic truly are three words that describe Vicki. Ugh. Jim and Jesus Juggs. I can't. Tamra stays being amazing at her job on this show of changing [!@#$%^&*] up and making new alliances and feeds. She's truly a great cast member. Ryan is such an !@#$%^&*] on this show. But it was trashy of the pot head to put her feet on a couch. Like kids know not to do that. Vicki has let him be like this tho. Billy seems desperate for a spot on this show too. I really need Brianna to join full time. Bye Lydia I hope to never see you again. I'd lov to see billy and Ryan fight tbh. It was an outdoor party tho as it always is at Vicki's.hes so out of line tho and it's nice Vicki finally stepped up. The best thing is for he and Brianna to move out and Vicki needs to accept it. Gretchen is so right about Tamra. She trashes Vicki and Alexis then acts like their friend and tells them what Gretchen says. Heather looked scared there for a minute that she may be brought into this. I think it's pretty logical that they offered Gretchen a role and of course they denied that to heather. It happens all the time. Not to mention heather and Gretchen have been offered the same roles, shows and appeared together in other stuff. Vicki causing [!@#$%^&*] again and making herself into a victim. Attacking Slade while dating a guy that's actually far worse than this. Nd stop Vicki you don't look good and you know it and you ARE plastic at this point. Vicki has never talked about Slade as a parent? Idk why every week I'm shocked by what a insane and deluded person she is. Here is jesusjuggs and horsegirl desperate to secure a spot. Lol. Vicki feels sorry for Gretchen? She hasn't talked about Slade in three years? Seriously why can't Gretchen just slug this pig. Vicki's don't attack women argument holds no ground either because she consistently attacks women. And I can't at Vicki judging any man while dating Brooks. And heather? Stop it. You judged her terrible surgery earlier this season. My housewives a king after this season: Brianna. Heather. Gretchen. Tamra. Lauri. Vicki. The other two.

To lie and contentiously lie and keep those lies going are not mistakes tho. They are deliberate choices to commit fraud and evade taxes. 50 years isn't going to happen. She should get a few years if they prove their case then finish out what time she's given on house arrest The only people I feel any sympathy or compassion for are the girls.

OC just NEEDS to add Lauri again for a gretchen ally and to take on Vicki and Tamra. Cut horselady and jesus juggs and bring on a new wife to be in the middle with heather and give Jeanna her own show so she can pop up, and pop off, on OC! The one thing is next season should def show Tamra turning on Heather. Its her turn, so that could be amazing. Oh, and for ape and NJ - i hope her deliousnal, lying ass goes to prison. is it sad for her kids? Absolutely. But that doesnt mean she should get off. Maybe she and her husband should have thought about their kids. Id love a ape free NJ.

Bravo needs to give Jeanna and her kids and her men their own show. They are def worthy of it. Tie it into RHOC with appearances. love how Bri has basically become a wife tbh. Photos, a bio, reunions. They just need to up her and give her a blog.

Lydia is going to come hard and try to secure a spot next season. Everyone knows its like an audition to keep your job and i hope she fails miserably, The only things to look forward to are Bri, lauri and gretchen. They will deliver. Heather will act above it all, Vicki will deny and scream, Tamra will do a lot of "Oh really?" and "LIAR!", Alexis will try her best to move her face and appear to be classy. That said, I cant wait. Tho nothing will ever top last years OC reunion.

Yeah I read that she brought a ton of proof and they all came out looking the jealous insecure bitches they are. As much as I love heather I can't wait to see Gretchen shut her ass down with proof about this role. Wow would think heather is smart enough to know that even if they did offer a role to Gretchen and she turned it down they'd never tell her. Hun that's not how this industry works. Gretchen is always prepared now. I'm not sure why the others even try. Eps over this when she asked tamra if she wanted to see the emails from Malibu country and after bringing proof in years past. As much as as Slade comes off slimy, I think that you can tell he and Gretchen really love each other. In such contrast to the other women. Alexis is controlled by her husband. Tamras new man is an uninterested in her as her last one. Vicki's so desperate shell date a loser and throw her family away for it. Terry and heather tho are the best and IMO the most realistic.

I doubt it. Bankruptcy fraud, wire and mail fraud... those are huge. She is very much involved and it seems like they have the proof. September 2001, Teresa Giudice applied for a mortgage loan of $121,500 for which she submitted a loan application that falsely claimed that she was employed as an executive assistant. She also submitted fake W-2 Forms and fake paystubs purportedly issued by her employer.

these last two eps of oc have been boring. the season as a whole was solid til now. gretchen/slade and terry/heather were super cute tho. eddie just doesnt seem to love tamra and vicki is so desperate she will take brooks. sad. i honestly have no comment on the other two other than i hope they are not brought back.

kandi is a someone tho, before the show. I def think she makes way more than P does. She may not have been a superstar, but she was exactly what the show was looking for lbr, Bravo is excited to have an extra from a 70s show on one of theirs it seems lol.

Briana has sai Vicki can date brooks if she chooses but she will move out before having him in a house she and her baby live in. I see nothing wrong with that.

Gretchen doesn't treat Vicki like [!@#$%^&*] and insult her all the time or bri g everything up until Vicki starts to dig in at Gretchen. As seen in Mexico. Where Gretchen didn't bring up what Vicki did but just told her she was being a hypocrite - and she was because I am confident that if their roles had been reversed Vicki would have been far more upset than Gretchen was.

Of course she does. Vicki can't stand that Gretchen down bow to her and play by her rules. Tamra basically set up her story for next season. She will fued with Gretchen then at the end makeup. I can't wait. I love those two. Together. Apart. Besties. Enemies. I don't care. They are what makes OC for me.

How cold Vicki deny her face work? Also, reattaching old seasons earlier this year - while never really stunning, she was way prettier in s1-2 than the rest. She seriously looks worse every time she has work done now. This last time was particularly terrible.

None of that started until well after her attacks in Gretchen. And as those comments did stray to creep out, her attacks got worse. Quite honestly I think Vicki is insanely jealous of Gretchen. Of her looks, of her freedom, of her not working and having money (from men, the show, and now simply putting her name on things) and in turn because they are quite similar to each other in terms of personality chooses to harp on and obsess over the aspects she hates in herself that she sees in Gretchen. Dissing Gretchen for things Vicki has done likely makes her feel good about her own actions. It's Vicki's total inability to own anything that makes me hate her. I absolutely can not stand those people and find them the most difficult to be around. She doesn't just not own it tho, she takes it to a new level and basically becomes a pathological liar even when confronted with evidence and shift blame onto anyone nd everyone else, then only says ok your right when she wants it to end and she does it in a manner of not owning it at all. Cat, I agree with you about Alexis and will even add Lydia. Neither one adds anything at all to this show and both can get out for Queens Jeanna and/or Lauri full time returns.

gretchen not speaking proper really isnt the point, nor does it mean what she says - even if she chooses the wrong words, or says them wrong - is wrong. Vicki made it her mission for years now to attack Gretch and call her basically a lying, cheating whore when Vicki herself was a swinger and cheater and acting like her life and marriage was so perfect. They have never dealt with it or moved on, and Vicki still makes digs and insults at Gretchen and acts as if she is so above her, when in reality she isnt. Vicki tried to lie at that dinner when Gretchen pointed out specifics and gretch didnt let it go this time, and production even provided flashback clips to prove her point.

No, im not. Did i say anyone HERE or angryjoe said it? No. I didnt. Nor was it even implied imo. I post a lot of places, and twitter/tumblr/other sites are full of Ape fans who attack Jaq for being on this show because of her sons medical condition and say shes a bad mother, no i wont link to any but if you refuse to believe this go search any site and youll see the comments, and its disgusting and vile. the fact is Autism is still something so many people know nothing about, or only the basic bullshit they hear about it. I dont need to try again, because i didnt say anything about the scale of autism, though i know quite a bit about it personally. I wont guess on where he fits on some scale either. Ill say what ive said before, i think its great that through jaq and her son some people can see people dealing with autism and its absolutely disgusting for anyone to imply that jaq is a bad mother for doing this show.

I see such disgusting and vile comments about how terrible Jaq is as a mother for being on this show instead of only focusing on her son. Truly terrible people. I'm so glad she's on the show and giving more awareness of it because so many people are wither ignorant or just stupid about it.

I was so happy joy was leaving but I won't tune back in. Not to see Jenny.

Wow. Gretchen totally owned Vicki at that dinner. Vicki came off as a liar and the editing with flashbacks proving what Gretchen was saying was true was unexpected. Vicki can't own what she did. She constantly tries to turn herself into a victim and blame Gretchen or bring Tamra in to take the heat off herself.

tbh gretch and vicks should put their hate aside and become allies next year. tamra. would. die.