JackPeyton

are you really surprised? im not. at all. she is as awful, vile and miserable as he is.

SMH @ tre and Joe fighting with police over paying $5 to go to the beach lol

Don is her father. He raised her. To her, that is her dad and she's made that pretty clear. It seems like she has remained close with him too.

Her mother clearly has a lot of mental issues, first of all, how bri turned out as normal as she did is shocking. I don't think anything was wrong with how she treated Vicki ESP re brooks and the house. Her mother and this man had an affair that lead to the end of her parents marriage. I think it's very valid for her to not want this shady com man with her mother or coming into her fathers for,ER home. I don't think she takes glee in Vicki's pain I just think she has to be blunt and straightforward for Vicki to get anything and the moment she starts to show that she feels bad vicki will take it as she changed her mind. And considering her piece of [!@#$%^&*] mother defended her boyfriend telling Ryan that he should beat Brianna and Vicki both I don't blame her at all for not comforting her.

The recording is on radar online! It's CRAZY. And jk sure ppl will post he ryan acted like a saint because he was recording it and I don't care. He didn't encourage or egg brooks on. At all. It's disgusting that Vicki would stand by this man after this and she's truly a disgusting human and mother for it. The recording is on radar online! It's CRAZY. And im sure ppl will post he ryan acted like a saint because he was recording it and I don't care. He didn't encourage or egg brooks on. At all. It's disgusting that Vicki would stand by this man after this and she's truly a disgusting human and mother for it.

I don't feel sorry for Vicki at all. She is pure scum. Defending brooks after finding out he told Ryan to beat Brianna. I don't car if your drunk, that's some scary [&#33;@#&#036;%^&amp;*]. And her refusing to listen to it to avoid isn't an excuse and I'm glad she got called out for it. And she's still with brooks. I liked seeing more of heather and terry. They remind me so much of my parents. Moving onto Miami, I am only here for Adrianna. She's amazing. And roman is so sexy. Not a RHo, but bravo renewed Below Deck <3

Oh, i think they were all pissed Gretchen had an 'event' and didnt invite a single one of them.

Wedding planning Issues with Slade A push & pull with Tamra Her relationship with Heather and where that may go A new friendship with Lydia Fighting with Vicki Baby or no baby Her cosmetic line/business opportunities If she's there, a makeup with Alexis She's got A LOT to offer and these are not enough all the things she could bring to the table.

Oh i disagree, it was brilliant for both gretchen and tamra to become friends. they are smart and made good choices to keep their jobs and keep it interesting and it paid off, imo.

Gretchen did the damn thing and she did it well. It was seriously 4.5 on 1 and she held her own. She actually made very valid points but those bitches just got louder and started to dance around subjects as they always do. Vicki doesnt even know why she hates Gretchen (Shes jealous, plain and simple). Tamra kept going soft, she actually let me down as she usually owns her [!@#$%^&*] but this time didnt really and when she did do it she did in such a way that it wasnt really owning it and would backtrack on it. Alexis is just out to hurt her because gretchen basically cut her fake ass out. Heather, this is the one that kills me as I love heather - she knows the real deal too and even said so. MC called Gretchen for a role, as herself. Heather booked a role not of herself. Gretchen still hadnt answered them and likely at the same time she was debating on what to do re Tamras bridal shopping is when the role was cut and she prob declined it and they just didnt say it was cut. Heather was desperate to make a point of EPs calling her for this role and casting calling Gretchen because she is so above Gretchen and cameo rols, yet shes taking roles with Gretchen at the same time. I do think they can and will be OK though and i hope so. Lydia i dont got much to say about because a. shes a bore and b. she didnt rally go in as they are friends now (smart move to secure a spot next season, even tho its clear tams will shift back to gretch) what else is there to say? The entire hour was devoted to the queen of the oc, Gretchen. People can all her fake all they want, but i think its clear she is the type to say [!@#$%^&*] to you that is similar to what she says about you. As she called Vicki and Tamra and Heather out on their badmouthing they denied it, but come on we all know its likely true. None of them wanted her to bust out her emails and folders of truth either because they knew they all were had. also, when tamra made the dig about whens the wedding date? this bitch needs to check her own fiance not wanting to set a date and his very much for tv proposal.

But that wasnt heathers argument. It was Andy's. I saw heather just letting it go because it wasnt going anywhere. Lydia did have valid points and she did almost own her but them she in the same sentience showed exactly what heather was talking about with her. I'm not surprised she made BFFs with Gretchen after the show ended. It gives her more of a reason to come back.

This is some truth! As for Lydia I don't get it. At all. She's Alexis, basically, except she is in with Tamra and Vicki. I don't see how she read heather at the reunion at all, I will sy she was on the verge but she basically just proved heathers point. I'd love to see her and Alexis both dropped for women who are more worthy.

She doesn't want it brought up on camera, she doesn't wan to own it, but she wants to bring up details of Gretchen's love life she doesn't want to discuss. That exactly ,y point. She lives a lie and she has a double standard. It's off topics whenever anyone dares to mention anything against Vicki but she wants to expose people. I def don't think it's equal by any means. Gretchen more than less attacks defensively because she's too weak to know or do better sadly. Vicki is always on the attack. She's always desperate to find something to degrade or hurt retched with. Then she denies it and lies about it. Vicki isn't blunt, isn't honest what she is is a hypocritical, jealous liar. She isn't bullshitting Gretchen? Really? So she doesn't trash her and attack her then deny it when Gretchen calls her out on it? Look no further than the Mexico episodes this year for proof of that. I do think Gretchen would let it all go and move on the way she tried with Tamra. Vicki would and could never. I truly think her extreme hatred of Gretchen stems from seeing the things she truly hates about herself in Gretchen commend with being insecure about her looks. It's cut ally really, really sad because Vicki has a lot to offer. HS a very unique and interesting person and she isn't hideous, tho her surgeries tend to make her look worse not better, and I genuinely like her at points but then I see just disgusting behavior she repeatedly does. And it isn't just because I like Gretchen. Don't get me wrong, I love the girl and would prob be friends with her in real life, but Vicki just has so many character traits that I truly thing make for a pretty terrible person to be around.

You don't see Vicki deny that she cheated on don with brooks? You don't see her shift blame to him? I don't think Vicki needs to provide anything, Gretchen either. I said its pointless for Gretchen to admit to cheating on Jeff because it isn't going to solve anything. It will become a hunt for how often with how many men and what position she did it in etc... I'm honestly shocked you don't see an obsession. This entire season, as well as every season since she came on, Vicki has trashed Gretchen from start to finish. Sometimes it's blunt, it's usually backhanded or a snide remark or done in a TH, but it's always done. She hates Gretchen with a passion. Gretchen has been more than civil, I'd say nice, to Vicki but its pointless because Vicki can not stop herself from trashing the girl for any and everything. How dare she throw ya,RA a bachelorette party in Mexico. How dare she give them her own production. She isn't a real business women. She's a lying whore. She's supporting a dead beat dad, disgusting - now let me o do the same. That's Vicki on Gretchen always. It literally seems to be a case of Gretchen could solve world hunger and Vicki would have an issue with it. It isn't a fued, Gretchen and Alexis is a fued, heather and Alexis is a fued, even Tamra away from Vicki is just a good old fashioned fued for the most part with Gretchen. Tamra is far from innocent, but she's not the point here. I'm talking about Vicki. Vicki who trashes Gretchen but very single thing she hates about Gretchen is something Vicki herself is or does. Vicki who is a toal hypocrite and liar. Tamra usually owns her [&#33;@#&#036;%^&amp;*]. She knows what she's doing and she isn't afraid to admit it. Yes please! This would be fantastic. She could totally anchor a new city. I'd love to see who Vicki projected all her self hatred on without Gretchen on OC.

Because Vicki does what she always does when she admits to anything. She then pulls back and dances around it and gets super vague. She does deny cheating on don with brooks when that is the cause of major family issues for her. Bri knows how long Vicki has been with brooks and I'd. ET it was long before she and don broke up. She puts all the blame on don at this point. She is a hypocrite, a liar and a whore. All the things she hates about Gretchen everything Vicki trashes and attacks Gretchen for are 1000% things she hates in herself and its just sad actually. I think it'd be great if Gretchen would just fess up. But I understand why she doesn't. It was likely an agreement between them, and if that is the vase it's not cheating. But she has remained close to his kids and they don't need to hear the deals about his sex life or lack there of and agreeing to let his arm candy go have sex with guys on the side. I don't think it's a big lie at all honestly. And she's the one with the least proven track record of being a liar and having negative behavior. I'm not saying she's perfect or innocent she's not. But that's kind of my point. The obsessive hatred that Tamra and Vicki have of her and their tag team attacks on her make into a victim when she isn't one. They cause this. They make themselves look bad. Vicki bashing Gretchen then preaching female empowerment? Vicki making a huge deal about Gretchen cheating when she was banging every guy she could? Her outrage at bretchenpimping her product is when every other world of out Vicki's mouth is insurance? Her baiting, bashing and attacking Gretchen basically every week then denying it - sometimes with flashbacks to dlrove she did say it? That IMO is the biggest pattern of negative behavior that someone won't own up to.

Watched RHOM and the only people i am intrigued by are Arianna and Joanna.

Vicki doesnt need to admit anymore, or even that honestly, i was saying the moment gretchen did admit to cheating shed be drilled with all of those questions cuz thats how tamra/vicki operate. Honestly, so what if gretchen denies it? Everyone knows she did, if those two hags would stop obsessing over it itd be a dead horse. They keep bringing it up to try and make her look bad, and imo it doesnt work. They look terrible. I get heather not being on the cover, i think heather gets it to, her point tho i think is valid. its strange when the person on the cover has next to no coverage while someone else has a 10 page spread. i have rarely ever seen that and when i do i always comment on how odd it is. heather was saying that they want famous people on the cover but provide little content, imo, and i get her point. its just strange. and if her magazine is capable for A list power players for the cover, why wouldnt they feature them more than the owner on the inside? but still, its not about that, its about all the digs horseface does and denies doing and she proved heathers point when asking for an example. hilarious. clearly doug is the brains behind their business. and lydia was also totally lying about denying how close she was to alexis.

Vicki has vaguly danced around simi admitting to cheating. she says, always, there was an indiscretions in her marriage. she doesnt own that she cheated on him, she denies that she was with brooks while married to don - an issue that we all know the truth about and is the reason her kids hate him so much. she wants gretchen to say i slept with this dude on this day at this time and we did it in this position and even then would push and push and push for more details and use it all against her. And again, Gretchen didnt make them look bad at all with the jeff thing because it was pretty clear to everyone she did cheat, what made them come off terrible was their beinging it up all the time, the naked wasted, the whoring out of ryan, the being vicious to her as jeff was dying because if she was sleeping with someone else or not its wrong to do. they make themselves come off bad, period. as for lydia, heather isnt the one who brought up Lisa on the cover - Andy did. And it was clear by her answer, as much as i love her, lisa basically bought her spot on the cover by donating to the magazine, promoting it, adding to it, and good for her. I see nothing wrong with it. heathers point was that they put person X on the cover but they only have a 3 page layout while Lydia has a 10 page layout. And yes Oprah is on the cover of her magazine but shes also Oprah. Lydia isnt Oprah. I And Lydia was denying laughing at Heather asking for the cover when she clearly was. There was nothing wrong with heather asking for the cover nor was there with lydias husband denying it to her. Lydia was making digs at Heather, example: calling her princess, she does this and plays the innocent act and its so annoying when people do it.

Vicki is still denying she hatched a plan to seperate gretchen and tamra in mexico? Bullshit. God, this is why its hard to like her for any real amount of time. I do think ALL the OC ladies take things way, way to personal. Tamra trying to cause an issue between gretch/heather, and heather not taking the bait because gretchen is right and does say what she says about people to them, and of course not vicki but thats cuz she and vicki are always ready to go to war and if she did itd be such an issue all the time. ah, the st regis hotel! i miss that place. i feel like they never film there. And TBH, i dont think gretch is dumb enough to makeout with another dude at a party at a hotel infront of Tamra. Lydia is def desperate to secure a spot. Thank god Andy set tamra straight on her bringing up gretchen cheating on jeff. tamra always tries to skit the blame for [!@#$%^&*] she stirs. tamra/vicki printing pics of gretchen and this dude, lol i cant - and they deny they planned to bring this up? Stop it. omg. its like naked wasted, they cant own anything they do. vicki doesnt hate gretchen? lord, id hate to see what she says and how she treats people she hates. gretchen is so on point about vicki doing and saying [!@#$%^&*] then denying it. she clearly sent this text and everyone admitted to it, but she cant own it and she accuses everyone else of this, its infuriating and i cant understand how people have people like this in their lives. guess what, if tamra and vicki would stop bringing up the jeff thing theyd stop looking terrible. gretchen isnt making them come off bad, they are coming off bad on their own. lydia calling heather princess would have been great, if lydia herself didnt act like one. i mean shes saying this as she wears a jewled head thing that may as well be a tiara and she calls herself a princess. and i cant at her acting like her wooh hoo came naturally and she didnt watch this show and knew vicki said that. and this fake ass bitch denying that she downplayed her friendship with alexis because she knew the other girls didnt like her. dying at heather calling lydia on her [!@#$%^&*] about the cover and her giving herself a 10 page thread, lmao. and i loved andy setting this bitch straight and questioning her on putting Lisa V on the cover. Lydia is such a bitch and tries to be it on the downlow. i cant stand this girl. her judgmental, hypocritical views - she is totally a mini Vicki. Lydia totally came here to get at heather cuz she was pissed over the blog, lol. heather owned her ass, she looked so pathetic and desperate asking for an example princess" providing a clear example. so glad heather called her on that [!@#$%^&*]. omg i loved greatchen calling out tamra and vicki on their [!@#$%^&*]. they are pissed over this rumor about vicki having a threesome, and their defence is that they have photos of gretchen and this guy so its diff? its not. and loved gretchen calling out vicki on her other [!@#$%^&*] like attacking slade then defending brooks. andy was LIVING for lauri/gretch vs tamra/vicki. id love to see the dynamic between lauri/heather tbh.

Vicki hsd the love tank thing, because shes gone on forever about her love tank lol. OC does have great openings. IDK why they change theirs every season and others dont, so I cant answer that. But i like it. I know the wives usually have input on it but Andy selects what one to use, i bet Alexis' are all written for her and she doesnt input anything they use lol. Heather from OC and Heather from NYC have talked about the opening quote process, as far as I know, both said basically the same, they record like 5-8 and then turn it over to production/andy to pick. I also know one wife wasnt happy with the one they selected and tried to make it an issue was told to sit down, lol. but i forget who

Even if Gretchen did admit to sleeping with the other guy, it wouldnt stop anything. Tamra and Vicki are obsessively jealous and hateful of her, so theyd still bring it up because its all they have to try and use against her. It makes them look terrible too because there are far more recent things they could use, and it isnt like they live in a skeleton free world either. None of it matters tho, because Vicki will never see that she is a hypocrite when the proof is literally in front of her (Her judgement of slade, then dating brooks, the biggest example) and Tamra is trash that married rich and left him when he wasnt so rich and she was to latch onto another man who seems hardly interested in her and I am sure has cheated a time or ten in her life that she would deny, deny, deny. I do think gretchen slept with him. I think Jeff knew and didnt care. I think out of respect for him and his kids, she isnt going to admit it and I dont blame her, esp because shes still close with his kids it seems. The treatment of her by them when she came on and her man was dying was truly disgusting, getting her blackout wasted and tamra pimping her son out to make her look bad is still one of the most shocking, disgusting moments in reality tv history and thats saying A LOT. And both Tamra and Vicki basically deny any wrongdoing. They are obsessed with her for many reasons, jealousy, need for story lines, trying to make themseleves look better, etc... and tamra is smart, she knows how to play this game and stay on the show and shifting friends and enemies is what works. she has made the show much better, and i think will cont to add a lot. i am sure next season she will turn on heather or new bff jesus juggs or horse and in the end try to being gretchen and vicki together. vicki is just a tragic mess all around in her personal life, sadly. she has no self worth, and thats why she throws herself into the one aspect of her life that is successful - work. she even seems to have basically lost brianna due to cheating on don with brooks and then forcing him into their lives and blaming don for basically everything. While I do think Vicki/Tamra/Gretchen are absolutely needed on this show, they also need some new dynamics. Heather was a great addition and still is, but they need to fire the other two and bring on two new people to see how they fit in and what they add to the show.

Lydia did well but it was clear she like made flash cards and studied backstage. Lol. She still adds nothing at all and needs to go. Along with Alexis. And no lauri doesn't need to come back but I'd take her over those two any day of the week. Tamra totally came off terribly wi the photos. She keeps coming back to Gretchen cheating on Jeff. Her and Vicki are truly obsessed with this and it's all eh have. Both of them are determined to prove she cheated on him to justify their shitty treatment of her and it fails every time.

No, because ive tried it so many times. Like if i catch it and dont turn the chan ill check it out, but thats it. Idk when NYC or BH is returning. Nothing has been announced as far as dates go. Prob in the fall, for both. I guess it will only be Miami for awhile but Bravo also has Top Chef returning and thats popular

I wish I could get into Mimai at all, let alone like you all have, because witbh my OC Queens gone, NYC and BH return awhile away, no Vanc s3, and quitting the disaster that is NJ and ATL, i am going throuhg withdraws.

I can't wait!