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Fair enough! I concur. However, Eric Braeden and Bryton had great scenes together when Devon was introduced on Y&R. I would have loved for them to develop and explore their relationship, be it mentor/mentee, father figure, ally, friend, advisor...not shunt Devon off to the kitchenette for ten years.

20 episodes?!? They paid him to appear in one and a half episodes per month?? I would bet his guarantee was at least 2 episodes A WEEK and his episodic fee had to be nice due to his long career before stepping foot in Genoa City. Wow. Just wow. I loved Ji Min Kim, but they shipped him out. Let us never forget David Chow. Was he meant to be of Asian descent or did LML have a three martini lunch when she created him?

When Devon was first introduced via the community center, he had wonderful scenes with Victor. Had Victor adopted Devon, that may have been a quite dynamic storyline, especially if Devon was interested in Lily and the Winters' were split over their relationship.

When you write it out, it only makes me despise JFP that much more. JFP was a walking dumpster fire for soaps. I loved Tea & Taggert. This trope! Livia sang at Mona's funeral (AMC), even though I don't think that was ever established prior to that. Y&R loved shoving black folks into a music industry storyline. Sally-Sing-a-Long (aka Ana), Devon, Justine (played by the fantastic Michelle Thomas), Tre...that's all I can think of right now. To be fair to Y&R, they've always had a weird fetish with the music industry/people singing on the show from Lorie and Lance to JT and Brittany. It always feels forced, especially when everyone knows one song, "Bless the Beasts and Children". With regard to Devon, daytime's first black billionaire (?), the last thing a real billionaire with $2 billion would invest in would be the music industry. Oh, and the way Devon Y&R let Devon be hoodwinked out of his inheritance was disgusting.

Yup!!!

I think you're spot-on. If JFP were there, well, she would've run Matthew down on Llanview Blvd., but I digress. And Rachel as a bi-racial Jewish woman? I mean, that must have been first on daytime!

Norah certainly celebrated Jewish holidays on OLTL with Bo, Hank, and her children. I distinctly remember a Hanukkah episode from the late-90s/early-00s or so...Matthew was a little boy at that point.

There was a weird time on AMC when everyone, except Adam, Palmer, Brooke, the Martins, and Phoebe lost their homes. A lot of people moved into that condo complex. Even Erica gave up Linden House (she would NEVER!) to move into that stupid loft/penthouse. Maybe Angie and Jesse were her neighbors. 🤷‍♂️

You are correct. Imagine if a family from Hong Kong bought Forrester Creations and turned it into a mass-market brand to sell cheap accessories, wallets, and jewelry. Or if that same family moved to LA, bought Spectra, and undercut the Forrester with fast fashion and more money to higher the top designers. The Keemo incident is a shame. He's the grandchild and child of legacy characters - at one point he was Nikki Newman Abbott's stepson - and he's been relegated to a Wiki blurb. Shameful. I have a very hazy memory of the Chins on AMC. If it was just before or after Bianca's rape, that may be why.

Let's not forget that only OLTL has done any justice to Jewish characters. Y&R's revision of Brad's history DOES NOT count. Not even a little.

I'm still waiting for soaps to give us a full integrated, functioning Asian family on soaps. We've had a stray character here, a product of a liaison from the Vietnam War there, but I want a dynamic family from Asia who are either working class & on the up or the richest family in town. Also, can we please get black characters out of apartments and condos? Like, if you're a doctor or executive, you should instantly have a two-story house on a soap! Dru and Neil's apartment always drove me MAD.

Let's add drug addicted black women to this list (YoHarmony; Jamal's mother on AMC)... Pious Latin mothers who have to pray to the Virgin & have at least one son who is a police officer... (and I LOVED the Vegas). (Pilar & Carlotta) Yeah... The whole hood sibling thing is spot-on and oh so... Cringeworthy. But after the hood sibling becomes reformed, they marry up and do well! I will say, AMC did race pretty well until 1995 when Disney bought ABC (so many ills in ABC Daytime can be traced back to that purchase...) If I remember correctly, Angie's parents on AMC were doctors (or at least her father was a doctor). Taylor Roxbury Cannon was a mean, nasty spiteful woman who people just loved to hate. Derek Frye & Livia Frye were just wonderful. Terrance Frye was so sexy! We can't forget Mimi!! Lucas Barnes was a great addition to Pine Valley, too. An Li's initial story was that she "had" to marry Brian Bodine to stay in the country, but she has more than happy to do it, if not to spite Hayley. The Santos family was a welcome addition to the canvas because it gave us Maria & Edmund (they were so freaking sexy!) and Hayley and Mateo. With the introduction of Noah and the way Julia literally cowered from him in the first scene after she ran away after the tornado were cringeworthy & should never be seen again. By 1996, most of the black characters would start moving off the canvas and, well, we all know what happened next.

I think Agnes was a bit more "woke" than Bill Bell. At least her black characters had rounded, interesting lives, were integrated with the canvas, and knew how to read. Dru (Y&R) and Dayzee (B&B) were from the classic Bell trope of black women not knowing how to read & having to be educated. Also, streetwise street urchins. Having minority characters as best friends and talk-to's is a trope of which all soaps carry collective shame. I love how a soap may have one or two non-white actors, but as soon as they need a police officer or thug, they have every black or Latino actor on set; the same when they need a doctor or accountant...here comes every Asian actor with an agent. It's sickening. The re-casting of Blair (OLTL) as a white woman was offensive to a lot of OLTL viewers. When Kassie burst onto the canvas with a Southern accent, people were like, "What?!? I forgot about "Kong".

Agreed. I loved the character, but I hated her name. By the way, is she still on her cruise?

I thought it was problematic as a 11 year old kid in 1994! I could never figure out why Mamie's name was so close to "mammy" when that was the crux of the relationship with the Abbotts. Couldn't they have named her Joan or Anne? I disliked it then and I dislike it now vis-a-vis the fantastic Y&R re-runs from the 80s & 90s.

I've been in the Bell archives a number of times and have never seen the original bible. I guess I need to make a few phone calls... 😉

Thanks for sharing! If he handed out copies, maybe someone will find a copy at a yard sale in LA or Chicago. I'd pay for a copy of the Y&R bible.

The quality on this episode has degraded significantly. What a shame. I'm glad to have the original VHS direct from Sony's master of this episode.

I've looked through my notes, etc. and I can't find a single image of the Y&R bible. I have images/notes of the following bibles: LOVE IS A MANY SPLENDORED THING, ANOTHER WORLD, ALL MY CHILDREN, DAYS OF OUR LIVES, RAGS (THE BOLD AND THE BEAUTIFUL), and several unaired soaps in the collection. My guess is that they did a verbal pitch and then churned out the first five scripts for Y&R (those scripts encompass one day in Genoa City). Here's all I have from the original scraps of paper which lay out the foundations of Y&R: - The show was meant to progress two years in the first week (eat that, Ron!) - The original locale for the show was meant to be Chicago - Phillip was the husband of Alison, a "young" mother of 41. (Note: Written next to Alison's character description is "unless Bette Davis is available..."). In this iteration, Phillip and Alison had been married for ten years. He died of a heart attack two years ago (the first week of the show) - although he was healthy - and established a trust for (Liz? - illegible!) and daughters. (Note: Alison became split into Jennifer Brooks and Kay Chancellor.) - Liz (19, young, heartful.) Since her father's death two years ago, Liz has been in Europe for two years at school - girl very (def... - illegible) at her father. (Note: This iteration of Liz seems to have become Jill & Sally) - Jan (23, more bland, not attractive but Laura-type.) (Note: She appears to have become Chris.) - Brock Camden (25, intern. Dates Alison, has an eye for Jan.) (Note: Brock would become Snapper with the name "Brock" being recycled.) - Brad Camden (16, student. Younger brother of Brock.) - Marcello (Around 38, wants to marry Alison.) (Note in margin: Brother who left country because of draft.) - Junior Camden (Note: Undefined. Nothing written about him.) (The Camden brothers seem to have been morphed into the Brooks sisters & Greg and Snapper Foster.) - Liz becomes pregnant and doesn't know whose baby it is. Goes to Brock for help. "You do this and I will marry you." - Liz drinks too much at times. A girl in search of a father image. Little relationship between mother and daughter in past two years. - Phillip will one day marry Jan, but he'll forever be vulnerable to Liz. - Liz wants only what that appears out of reach... Proposed Titles for The Young and the Restless (circa 1972): - YOU’RE ONLY YOUNG ONCE - THE INNOCENT YEARS - DESTINY - UNTAMED - BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE - THE BEAUFITUL PEOPLE - JET SET - THE SWEET AND TRAGIC YEARS - TO LOVE EACH DAY - MAY WE LOVE EACH DAY - THE BAD AND THE BEAUTIFUL - THE YOUNG AND THE INNOCENT - THE WORLD WE LIVE IN (shaded with a black pencil for prominence) - WHERE LIES OUR DESTINY - THE INNOCENT YEARS Episodes 1-5 are entitled: “YOUNG AND RESTLESS YEARS” EPISODE 1 Title on the cover of Episode #1: “YOUNG AND RESTLESS YEARS” Original line SALLY: (MORE TO HERSELF)How awful to be stuck in a place like Genoa City…during our young and restless years. THEME UP AS WE DISSOLVE TO OPENING BILLBOARD… The following was edited by Bill Bell in red pen. SALLY: (MORE TO HERSELF) Kind of a drag, isn’t it. Stuck in a place like Genoa City. (BEAT) God, I feel so restless. THEME UP AS WE DISSOLVE TO OPENING BILLBOARD… COMMERCIAL “PIERRE’S” original name was “FRENCHY” EPISODE 2 “JILL” appears in Episode #2 Episodes 1-5 encompass the same day. From Episode 6 until now all scripts are entitled “THE YOUNG AND THE RESTLESS” EPISODE 7 The Foster home (kitchen/living room) are referred to as the Larson kitchen/living room. Chris calls Liz “Mrs. Larson.” Greg comes home to visit in this episode. EPISODE 8 The Larson’s are back to being the Fosters’. Found outline for Episode 11: EPISODE #11 - TAPE DATE: MONDAY, MARCH 26 - AIR DATE: APRIL 9, 1973 KAY LENARD - OUTLINE

The character was always written as "Kay" in Y&R scripts & production material, never as "Katherine". She was only called "Katherine" if it was in a character's dialogue.

Yep. But I will say the beginning of her first Y&R return by telling Scotty the story in her return episode was chilling. It kinda went downhill after that.

That timeline seems accurate to me. Maybe Screen Gems/Corday didn't want him to leave DAYS & sweetened the pot for long term story projects. This may not be appropriate for this thread, but I saw a letter from Bill Rega congratulating Bill on the first hour long episode of DAYS in autumn of 1974. Do we know if Bill wrote that for sure?

Only if you make the trek to UCLA. I've heard of folks getting scrips scanned and emailed to them from UCLA, but you might want to see what their policies are right now. Since I live in Los Angeles, it's easier to go to the archive when necessary.

This is from 1988. Smith states that he and Kay Alden are head writing Y&R. Could it be that after B&B launched, Bill Bell let Alden & Smith execute his vision while he was busy getting B&B up and running? We know that Smith wrote Y&R and B&B at the same time during this period. It seems Smith went to B&B full-time after Bell came back to Y&R and B&B was "settled". Conjecture, of course, but any insight is ALWAYS welcome.

I think this "Series Idea" heading is merely to state that the original ALL MY CHILDREN bible is in the collection. However, I'm more than willing to imagine an ALL MY CHILDREN from 1970-75 under Bill Bell. The wonders he would have done with Erica/Chuck/Phillip/Tara. (I got chills just typing that!)