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LOL. I'm pretty sure they'd just hinge the show on Darlene the single mother and Dan, which they were doing with Darlene and her kids a lot anyway.

That's great.

If it's actually being considered then I'm sure her ownership stake is a consideration in mind. If there's no other legal loophole (and there may be), they could give her GTFO money - if she'd take it. I don't know how long the retooled show would last but hell, The Hogan Family ran years without half the longtime goodwill. I would give it a shot. And while I personally don't need David around full-time (and I like David, but I think the recurring role they were setting up for him here worked) if they got Johnny Galecki back full time that would be a boost in terms of TV star wattage. Not that Goodman, Metcalf and Gilbert aren't potentially enough. That said, while Sara and ABC/Werner are reportedly floating the idea I imagine the cast is so disgusted and heartbroken they don't want anywhere near the memories right now. And that's very valid.

Career-wise Metcalf, Goodman and Gilbert will be fine. They don't need a sitcom. Michael Fishman and Lecy Goranson kept busy with their own things, but being on the #1 show in America was definitely a huge step up for them again. This changed their life and now it's changed again. Roseanne's alleged stand-in for some of the early years tells a story. John Goodman is not talking much.

I don't believe a spinoff sans Roseanne will really happen, but I'd welcome it. Meanwhile, Michael Fishman went head to head with Roseanne and it's sad:

The first season was really not the show that became famous, at least not the brief first half of it Williams ran. It was a start, but it wasn't there. And I think Roseanne was right to fight Williams and win.

And now she's directly attacking Michael and Sara. Nice.

I think Sara and co. genuinely hoped they could fix her. I thought they might be making it work. But some things you can't do with people who are too far gone. She needs serious help, but I guess she's always needed help. As for enjoying the show again someday, I think so. I guess the good news is thus far Roseanne has no known serial rapists.

She really was the glue of the early episodes, especially with young Ames McNamara. She got me in the heart and she brought Roseanne's game up as well. She wasn't the same Darlene as when she was younger, either - she still had bite, but it wasn't all she had. She had matured. It does make me wish she'd consider a similar show elsewhere on her own. I think Natalie West is pretty happy doing theater and living her life these days, per a recent interview. But yes, it was great to see her. I'll watch the last few episodes eventually - I'm not ready to deal with this show again right now - but it'll be very bittersweet. So much potential and good work squandered by one ignorant person. I hope someday you watch them. It really had a lot going for it despite everything, but maybe it was an impossible situation from the start. And maybe my overly hopeful viewpoint was the same one Gilbert and co. held dear until it was too late. I imagine it was the same for some at ABC - I don't believe it was all a cynical business consideration from Day 1, people like Dungey, Sherwood, etc. are still human beings and I believe they genuinely hoped they could bridge a divide, possibly bring Roseanne back from the brink, and make good TV and/or bank. Their immediate reaction to yesterday, as detailed in the stories upthread, indicates it wasn't just about advertisers for them. That writer's story above - especially the last few answers about their intent being lost - is sad. Because that's what the show could've been, with a different Roseanne. Even just a newly arch-conservative Roseanne would not have been this Roseanne.

She is now RT'ing even more Valerie Jarrett conspiracy theories along with attacks on the cast - people who have stood by her for decades, people like Sara and Michael who stuck their necks out for her and have always been close to her. I wish I couldn't potentially see this ending one very specific, very sad way. And since we're on SON, OLTL's own chimes in:

More details on yesterday: More at the link.

Ugh. From a TV Line piece recapping the latest:

She is now blaming Ambien. She appears to have downshifted in mood and is suddenly retweeting rebuttals of all her horrible whatabout tweets quoted above (not that that excuses a thing). Granted, we've been saying it for like thirty years but this woman needs serious help.

As I have said, I would welcome a CBS sitcom with Sara Gilbert and the boy who played Mark titled by another name. Darlene was a linchpin of the new season, possibly even more than Roseanne herself.

Oh God, she's still tweeting.

That's pretty good.

Yeah, she can keep it. She needs to take a good, long look at the rest of her life.

According to CNN, today was the BTS staff's first day back at work on Season 2.

Yeah, I forgot her as well. I also can't see the parents of the two child actors (especially Jayden Rey) allowing them to remain. Ames McNamara was so good, BTW. I hope he gets something quickly. That's another tragedy, losing Darlene and her son's dynamic and what was obviously planned to be a long-running thread with David continuing to recur.

I think it's a decision that speaks well to them, though, and maybe to the nation at large. There are still things we can't countenance and can walk back from. And frankly I suspect a lot of the cast and crew would've walked along with Wanda Sykes and Sandra Bernhard even if ABC had waffled. That was certainly the tone I got from Sara Gilbert's initial comments, and I can't see Laurie Metcalf or John Goodman being far behind. Those are all people who stuck with Roseanne day in and day out through all her craziness in the '80s and '90s, but this was too far.

I'll watch but I'm sure it's going to be very, very difficult for her.

Sandra Bernhard:

oops, nvm

I will watch the rest of the episodes (uh.... somewhere) out of love for the rest of the cast and what they accomplished. At some point, not yet. It's just such a waste. Both of the person Roseanne once was, and what the rest of them were trying and I felt, largely succeeding in doing with the new show. I want to buy Sara Gilbert a drink.