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The problem with Luke and Noah were they were often very neutered and safe characters, as titan said above, with incredibly poor writing and stories at that juncture. The show prefabricated a couple they expected fans to go for sight unseen and didn't bother with truly good stories. They also had actors who, particularly in the case of Silbermann, often seemed like they really didn't want to be there. Any potentially spicy or exciting stories for them, like Luke's dalliance with Laurence Lau as his grandmother's new paramour, were ended quickly, just like any other potential good story on ATWT in its final years. The show was unwatchable to me. If I wanted vanilla gays I'd have watched them. I didn't because the show sucked and the story sucked. OLTL's Daniel Colson story was a mess for different reasons detailed by several of us, but it wasn't because the story wasn't about saintly cardboard cutouts. Most of us around here have been eager for gay villains on soaps for decades.

Of course they are. That doesn't change the fact that the OLTL story could've been great and sucked because of the exploitative way in which it was told with nihilistic violence and endless humiliation for beloved characters like Nora, and also because we didn't know or really care about either Mark Solomon or Colson. Both were introduced on the show in the prior year and both were supporting players with minimal development in several unpopular storylines. It wasn't just irresponsible, it was poorly constructed. Its failure isn't because we only want to watch saintly gays. I've been for darker LGBT characters since OLTL originally planned to make Rex Balsom a gay villain, and so were other fans when that scuttlebutt became public all the way back in 2002, several years before the story you are invoking. So the claim that gay people just didn't want to watch those kind of gay stories is simply untrue. The story sucked because of other reasons that do not prove your point.

That fix is definitely coming in both print and screen, I'm sure. If they even hint at Magneto in this series I may die. Came across a toy leak (Funko Pops) for a minor easter egg for the upcoming show, and it made me scream.

Oop! Wrong thread.

This is an excellent idea (along with the Super Bowl thing).

A bold take as always, John.

Miller, who was roasted even by the Beltway press for kowtowing to Trump via AP, is now trending over this.

Jen Psaki is a beast.

I almost took for granted he'd be around. What a legend.

Don't forget crying, crying, always crying throughout.

Totally did not recognize little Luke from the amazing Haunting of Hill House as kid Billy/Wiccan!

I was pretty sure it was coming based on rumors, but woo are we through the looking glass. Incredible performances all around this week, esp from Olsen and Bettany, and Teyonah Parris. Monica has it on lock! I love how much focus she is getting up front. The beat with her reacting to mention of Carol was quite weighted and I suspect we'll be seeing her dealing with what are clearly strong emotions in future. Did Carol's powers give Maria cancer?

I think you can very easily have the show focused on Hayley/Mateo, Maria/Edmund, Kendall/Bianca and Angie/Jesse's progeny while having the elders in tentpole roles. It's what should be done.

A classy line from the above, too. I understand the nature of the beast and that the next generation has to drive it, but I'm not interested in a revival that is purely Riverdale-esque, or CW 90210 in nature where the vets are simply relegated to talk-to roles for teens and twentysomethings. That doomed 90210 in particular. So I really hope it's more complex than that. You don't bring Susan, Eva and presumably people like SMG on without giving them actual story.

This week's sitcom opening sequence is a very obvious homage to Family Ties! And the theme song is, God help me, an earworm. I never thought I'd see half of this onscreen and it makes me emotional! I grew up with Marvel Comics.

New poster: And a nice edit of it: Anyone who hasn't seen Elizabeth Olsen's non-MCU work should - she is fascinating and terrifying in Martha Marcy May Marlene. I knew she'd kill this stuff while they finally got to this side of Wanda, a character I have always found both spellbinding and frightening since I was a child. And Teyonah Parris is still amazing, just like she's been since I first saw her in Dear White People. (She is in the new Candyman revival this year as well - the director of that will also be doing Captain Marvel 2, which Parris will co-star in as Monica.)

Someday, when they put Knots Landing up on streaming, I'll give it a real shot. It remains the undiscovered country for me but so many people I respect view it as the gold standard for classic primetime soap. I agree. It could've worked.

The longer Greene is on stage and dividing them or disgracing them in the eyes of lazy swing voters (which this election proved still exist), the worse it is for the GOP. She is an albatross for them electorally despite being a sweetheart for their base. I wouldn't freak out over a supposed proposal for a threshold anymore than I did over Manchin and Sinema two weeks ago. I don't think they're going to limit them beyond the wealthy, which I don't think will have a major impact politically, and I think those who need it and who are paying attn will get the checks.

You can still make the messaging about Qanon and strike that dumb line which is already getting a lot of heat. So I suspect they will do so. Meanwhile, GOP in Disarray: