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There was never any indication of any retcon whatsoever lol. Because the show never made it explicit who all of the Hawthornes were or named them. It's a wide open book. Therefore Izaiah isn't a 'retcon' either. This show is less than a year old, we just didn't hear Izaiah mentioned before. That's not retconning just because we haven't also seen some other brother. The imaginary show in folks' heads don't count as canon.

I mean, I'd be here for Fiona Hutchison lol. But you could find any number of good people.

LMAO. It is crazy how loose the old soap columns and mags were with this stuff.

And he's likely not gonna, with

Stunning girl. Hopefully it is Deanna.

That is great. Braeden knows his audience.

I would still find some way for Cody to be wildly misinformed re: who his mother is and make it some scheming old flame of Mac's from his mercenary days, out to snag the Stanton/Bell fortune. (Yes, I know they said Serena had given much of it away but we can ignore that; she'd come back still rich and a heiress/philanthropist, probably to play off Michael and others.)

Not unlike when they claimed Sasha was Robert and Holly's child after they supposedly fúcked in 1992, while he was married to Anna who had been abducted by Faison. Holly then spent the next 18 months of the show onscreen and in heavy story, definitely not pregnant. Or when they claimed Cody was Mac's kid with Dominique. They were not together that long and Dominique was, again, onscreen in story from the beginning of that relationship in '91 until her death in '93. Like, WTF? These are major characters.

I can think of things for Carly to do. But it would start with breaking the character down a bit more and bringing on A.J., and we've all been over all that many times. You have to be willing to shake characters up when they're beyond stale, and GH rarely likes to do that today. The only reason we have the current semi-compelling status quo which includes Willow and Drew is because someone was briefly brought in from outside, by all indications against FV's wishes.

I don't think there's much love lost there (especially if it was true she was initially approached to reprise Carly, then got shafted and discarded). But Frank has mended fences in worse situations.

I believe they did briefly, and I think they shared some story during the terrible "Franco has been uploaded with Drew's memories of his past life and thinks he's Drew" plotline (Kim Nero was Drew's old flame from his youth and the mother of his son). But I couldn't bear to watch virtually any of that so don't quote me. I do think Tamara looks great but this whole situation seems sad. I would take her back as Carly at GH (even if I prefer Sarah Brown, and LW has always done a good job) but that is now unlikely to happen based on scuttlebutt about her last run.

It shows!

Because the show loves Obrecht and her family and is trying to put Britt over with Jason again, and is trying to retroactively force a relationship with the baby she stole (and not because she wanted a child either; it was her parents' supervillain scheme; she hasn't cared about Rocco in years) to make her seem more important. Rocco and Britt never knew each other before, and she never cared.

Like I said, I fear it's another year of Valentin and Carly on the trail of 'who killed Jack' and this time next year we'll be grimacing at them about to kiss at the Metro Court with another endless slow burn. Somehow I suspect FV would move the heavens to make sure JPS can play much, much more often onscreen if not off. I would not put her back with Sonny either, lol. I refuse.

If they kept begging to pay you, wouldn't you? I think he enjoys the people too. As I said above, I just fear this is all an entree to Frank trying to put him over again big time (after Mulcahey almost nuked Valentin) opposite LW. The big fish. Carly has been with worse (Franco) but not by much.

I think his bigger priority than Laura is keeping JPS/Valentin on the show, lol.

Thanks for this @DRW50. What a relic.

If Ashley and Derek become the white Mona and Laura of the show I won't complain.

I think Dobson is pretty hot on the show. I get the appeal and why they scored adding him and Devane to up the masculine quotient. I feel bad when I think about his brief, dazed and lifeless turn as Governor Brooks on OLTL in 2004, as one of several poor, barely-there attempts (mostly by Michael Malone) to give Viki a man to play opposite while Brian Frons put her in the freezer for the better part of 5 years. I don't think that or his DAYS stint were Dobson's fault though. I do think Patrick Petersen grew up to be uncomfortably hot, and a lot of people knew it. They wasted him not doing more, and I do look fwd to seeing his future years on the show. For me personally though I think the late Steve Shaw was cuter and considerably underrated, albeit at best 'naturalistic' an actor. Sometimes he could do really well as he got older, sometimes not, but he was always genuine. That counted for a lot with the kids on the show.

They have also begun hinting around again about the very real fact that Brennan was co-head of Pikeman with Valentin, something they ignored and tried to sweep under the rug very quickly after Mulcahey revealed it and was then dismissed/quit. IIRC Brennan merely covered his tracks while selling out Valentin, but once that happened the show for quite some time tried to pretend Brennan's cover story (that he was undercover to take down Pikeman) was actually legit. They needed to make it go away while they were desperate to give Carly some man, any man after the latest attempt at Jarly fizzled. Anyway, this story and the fact that they've reopened that can of worms is proof he's dogmeat not long for this world. I always said he would not last the year and I stand by that, give or take a few months. I just pray next we don't have Valentin and Carly teaming up and slowly growing romantic as they 'try to find out who killed Jack.' I don't want to be here in a year grimacing as JPS and LW move in for an almost-kiss at the Metro Court as part of this show's typically agonizingly long slow burn for another bad couple.

I puzzled this out awhile back in some posts while watching, and from cross-referencing the copious interviews with fansites that Gollance(?) and I think others involved have said online when you dig around, it seems like the median answer was 'we didn't know.' I think some of the Dunne team have said it became much more elaborate and OTT in S7 than what they intended, but the truth is I think it's been decades, memories are foggy and it's hard to know who intended what when. I actually do think EV was also a very relevant story for today, like Joshua's commercial evangelism. But it does get OTT.

What to say? A legend, with a hell of a personality.

I think they were always going to reunite tbh. I don't think that was a big rewrite.

The scenes with Dante and Michael on Monday were excellent - going back over the Claudia saga, his prison time, and Michael lashing out at him over Dante's involvement in that mess. It was good they again made a point to define how the recast has changed, and it can be played with in many ways; him struggling with PTSD, Willow gaslighting him, using A.J. again, etc. (Honestly, a single round of hatesex between him and psycho Willow would probably be hot now too.) But it's still not enough until they start hiring and investing in new major female leads for what is obviously a strong new leading man. Not just elevating cheap dayplayers who might eventually get a very meager contract. That's the problem with this show, but we've all been over this already this week so I'm repeating myself. It's just frustrating. Rory was amazing when he finally exploded at DZ about Daisy, and seething throughout before then.

I don't think that's it and I think MVJ is very conscious of going there with the elders on top of the other couples, at least at this point in time. (I think an illegitimate child for one or both is likely inevitable at some point, this is a soap, but I would not do it right away given other events.) Assuming we're thinking the same thing, I suspect it is a secret health scare for Vernon. Shades of Clint or Sloan hiding their diagnoses from Viki on OLTL.