OzFrog

Actually, speaking of chemistry, is it just me, or were they testing something at one point between John Abbott and Lindsay Welles? Some of the glances they shared with each other in some scenes seemed to indicate as such.

One thing I just noticed in the latest 1985 clips... it seems they played up the mystery as to the identity of which Abbott child Brent Davis fathered (the flashbacks seen always referred to “the child” rather than by name directly), and not actually revealing who the child was until later into the storyline. There is a snippet of a reveal where Brent tells Kay which child he fathered, but again it is unsure whether he referred to Ashley directly, or if it was insinuated. I wonder if any of the more knowledgeable historians could fill any blanks here.

So 63a in the vault has pretty much all the Christmas 1984 episode where Kay drunkenly crashes the Abbott dinner party. That whole scene was played beautifully - it’s worth watching just for Brenda Dickson’s facial expressions alone. Even the looks exchanged between Jack, Jill, Dina and Liz just said so many words. One other thing I found amusing about that episode - that must be the only time I’ve ever seen Dina and Traci have any interaction whatsoever, and it felt so weird seeing that. I know they would share more scenes together in subsequent years, but it seems that any interaction Dina had with her children back then was limited to Jack and Ashley. ETA: Btw, 1985 clips have started. We’re now seeing the Brent Davis storyline ramp up, which I’m quite excited about. I’ve only ever seen the March 1985 episode where Brent confronts Ashley in the garage, but never any of the storyline either side, so this is exciting for me.

This should be goooooood...

Oh I dunno, that scene of Victor & Ashley at Gina’s from September-October 1984 had some great dynamic and chemistry to it, and certainly Ashley was intrigued by Victor. But at the time she still had her thing going with Marc Mergeron, so she wouldn’t see anything beyond that yet. From what I’ve read, they wouldn’t become closer until March-April 1985 after Ashley has her breakdown re Brent Davis (which btw I hope gets uploaded in the clips) and Victor brings her back to the ranch to recuperate, which of course sets off Nikki’s jealousy and her trajectory towards Jack. The build for V&A is there and is somewhat realistic, albeit quicker than V&N. Nevertheless it is one of the factors of Y&R getting to #1 several times during the mid-80s, so Bill Bell was doing something right.

Jill’s falling off the ladder was well done. There was purpose behind it, certainly, but she was definitely freaked out by something - almost like she thought the child was demonic, judging from how she reacted in her vision prior to climbing the ladder.

“A source”. And kinda not surprising it’s Swan again. Access journalist if ever there was one (notwithstanding THAT Trump interview).

Victor & Jack scenes at Gina’s are in 61a. And it’s a fascinating exchange between the two.

It may have, but as part of some completely different storyline. My reasoning is that Terry Lester’s departure in September 1989 was very sudden, so I imagine there was a lot of planned storyline and scripts that had to be hastily rewritten to account for Jack’s departure. When Peter Bergman arrived two months later, Jack’s eventual marriage to Nikki was written as part of Jack’s ultimate plan of revenge against Victor, which he had concocted whilst he was away travelling. For that reason, I don’t think it was the initial intention to have TL’s Jack marry Nikki. YMMV though.

Robin Eisenman is actually doing a decent job here as substitute Nikki. Granted I can’t help but wonder what MTS would have been like in those scenes, but we obviously know that she and Terry Lester had amazing chemistry later on down the line.

Watching some more 1984, and can I just say... Marc Mergeron in just speedos! 🔥🔥🔥

That’s what we said about Dina when she made her initial entrance (way too Dynasty). And if our benefactor is highlighting the Victor/Nikki/Ashley clips in this storyline up till now, then I would suspect we will see just about *everything*, including Victor and Jack.

The 1984 clips in the vault just keep getting better and better. 59b in particular is unbelievable: Victor & Nikki starting their plan against Jabot and Mergeron. Victor & Ashley officially meeting and having dinner for the first time (part of Victor’s aforementioned plan) Nikki chatting it up with Marc Mergeron. Jack marrying Lindsay for the negatives (although we all know where they actually ended up) Brent Davis showing up on Kay’s doorstep. Kay about to tell Dina about Brent. And it looks like all of this happened within 1-2 consecutive episodes between August and October 1984. I’m in awe of Bill Bell for knowing what he was doing here in terms of setting up the longer-term story.

How old is Diana if you don’t mind my asking? I know first hand how it can feel to be manipulated by other people in the way Diana seems to have been in this case, and I’m very sorry about the predicament she’s found herself in (if she even realises she is in a predicament), as well as how you and your hubby have become involved. Could it be that maybe you both need to set up some boundaries at this point regarding her behaviour towards you? If she is supposedly a mature independent woman, then any decisions she makes will ultimately need to made on her own. It’s hard though when there’s brainwashing involved. Have you also done any more research or investigation into Carlo himself? I know you mentioned a couple of 2018 arrests, but curious if anything more has surfaced. I really hope that something happens sooner rather than later to push this along. I was reading it and thinking “this is miles more intriguing than anything the 4 soaps could put together combined”.

57a is up, and it is a treat - Melinda Fee is subbing for Brenda Dickson as Jill!

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Just been watching the latest 1984 clips in the vault (56a). So much Victor and Cora stuff that is just beautiful to watch. This is one of those rare times where you do see a completely different side of Victor, and Eric Braeden plays it so well. You also get to see Cora hold Victoria for the first time, and that is simply heart melting. Also there is a little bit of Paul and Patty, and I will say right now - Andrea Evans has fully grown on me in that role. It’s a shame they couldn’t have brought her back initially when Patty returned in 2009 (but obviously wouldn’t have made sense with all the backstory that was involved in her return).

And that must be why Danny and Lauren went to Kay for funding. I love it when these pieces of info just surface up that join the dots together.

Oh wow, thanks FrenchFan. I didn’t realise he was so heavily involved in the mix of things. It’s a shame we never hear about him, nor do we hear about Julia’s daughter Jaime. Might give Ashley something to focus on of he came back for whatever reason.

Another history question on the back of the vintage clips popping up recently. What was the deal with Eric Garrison? I know he was in a bit of a triangle with Ashley and Marc Mergeron, but there wasn’t much other information available about his character, apart from something involving fathering a child with Julia (?!). Can anyone shed any light on the character history here?

Yes! AND 51a just got uploaded, and it is a gold mine. Derek & Kay, Lorie & Leslie, Lorie & Nikki, all the Brooks sisters... But the highlight for me is a damn good scene with Brock and Jill at the Abbott mansion. And this was Jill being refreshingly honest with Brock, in a different way to how she is with Jack. I wish we had seen more of this Jill from Brenda Dickson in her later years instead of the Alexis-clone we had to put up with.