Juliajms

Stannis would have the right through blood, but I'm guessing Tywin would take the crown by right of conquest. Given what a sadistic little bastard Joff was, that length of time seemed entirely reasonable.

I can't remember a time she was ever wrong, when he did what she told him to do. She killed Renly for him. I think there is certainly a case to be made that she brought about the death of Robb and Joff with her curse too. He didn't take her to the blackwater, so that was his own fault. The talk she had with Shireen was also interesting. I'm not sure what Selyse wanted her to say to the little girl, but I was thankful that Melisandre wasn't really mean or even scary. Not sure what to make of her overall or the part the Red God will play in all of this.

I have to speak up for Davos here, since it was his idea. Plus I think his scenes with Shereen are cute as can be.

I wondered about that. I can see it being easily missed because I think this show is hard to follow for those who haven't read at least one book. I'm talking only about causal fans, not people who are really into the show. I wonder if Tywin has any idea at all what Little Finger is up to? Is he actually tying to take the iron throne with the help of the Iron Bank? He was the master of coin, he could have led the country into debt on purpose I suppose. I can't imagine being Lord of the vale and having Sansa for his mistress was his goal when he started out. She might have looked nothing like Cat for all he knew.

I think it might have been something else all together. I didn't think it was all that anticlimactic, but it was exposition in a sense. Not sure how else they could have done it. Little Finger set this whole [!@#$%^&*] storm in motion, but to what end?

She did, that's what being regent means, which is why Tyrion and Tywin were so appalled about the way she let him get out of control. She had a controlling father, but I don't see her life as being so bad in comparison to the rest of Westeros. Not even Ned picked his own spouse. I think it's even safe to say Tywin forced Robert to marry Cersei. Tyrion's first wife was gang raped in front of him, but he didn't have a little girl beaten until she lost an eye and then smirk about it.

I'm with you. I wonder if Cersei is going to try to marry Tommen off to one of Obyren's daughter's and was trying to trick Margaery into complacency? I have to watch the episode again, I missed some of the details and exactly what Cersei said to Tywin,

I wasn't all that impressed with it, considering that Cersei is one of the people who has hurt little girls and sat by and watched them hurt, while she did nothing. Plus, it's not like little boys are fairing any better in this world. Tywin might have sent Cersei to her marriage bed, but he also sent Jaime and Tyrion to war, prison camp and maiming. Cersei is the type of person who thinks she deserves mercy, but she doesn't give it to anyone else. That's what happens, certainly, but I do think HBO has a responsibility not to let this show turn into some sort of snuff/ rape porn. Realistically, Sansa never would have escaped Joff without getting raped. Cat, Arya, Meera, Talisa, all of them would certainly have been raped and/or killed. However, I don't need or want that level of female victimization, even if I know that's the way things would have gone down in that world. Over all I think HBO and GRRM have done a pretty good job of straddling that line. I hope it continues.

I can't blame Margaery for getting in a dig, considering the last time she called Cersei "sister" Cersei threaten to have her strangled in her sleep if she ever did it again.

She's doesn't have enough men or any allies. She would have failed just like Robb and Stannis before her.

Lena Heady was also in an episode of BallyKissangel. I guess that was nearly 20 years ago. I only recognized her because I was a fan of The Sarah Conner Chronicles.

Of course you do. What can I say, I just don't see it. I had absolutely no idea I was supposed to think Jaime was into her beyond as someone he admires. I'd certainly rather see them together than twincest though. I think she's grooming him, just not for sex. I don't think we have any reason to think Margaery is a pedophile, although using the phrase "our little secret" was cringe worthy. They could have used that scene with the genders reversed if they wanted to, but it definitely would have come across as more menacing, unless we were already sure the character was a good guy. Maybe that's fair and maybe it isn't, but it's certainly true, imo.

Because then Margaery would have been as powerless as Cersei when Robert died. Actually, even less powerful because she wouldn't be the mother of the next king, but she would be "damaged goods" unable to marry Tommen. Pushed aside while Tommen married someone else and that woman became Queen. Notice how they made such a big show of claiming her virtue was intact before Joff agreed to marry her. Now she is still a virgin (lol), can marry Tommen, rule through him and have his children, while not suffering Joff's sadism.

I agree with you. I think things are changing because of time and budget constraints. I can't be too critical because of those realites. Still the way Jon found out that Bran is alive seems to offhand to me, idk. It's a small grip ultimately. I was glad to see that Jaime found a way to reclaim a shred of his honor, while managing to get Brienne and Podrick out of Dodge.

I didn't really care for it. Also not really sure what to take from it. A cult sacrificing babies to the god of death? I suppose it's scarier knowing that there is some intelligence behind the white walkers and just a pack of mindless zombies. I also like it when the episodes end on Dany instead of start with her. The scene of her standing on top of that building flying the Targaryen flag would have been a good ending, imo. In a sense what's happening with her is a situation that's looming over the people at King's Landing (and all of Westeros), but the people who should be paying attention are distracted. Same with what's going on at The Wall really.

This is the first time I really agree with you that the show dropped the ball. All I can say on that front is alternate reality. I have no real choice except to go with it. I thought it was interesting that they revealed the killer so soon. I didn't think they would. I wonder what safe place Brienne would take Sansa if she ever found her. As far as I can see that place doesn't exist.

Not sure it'll be her choice. She didn't want it to happen with Joff either and it did.

Wow, he's on Nashville too. Guess his career has taken off big time since Treme.

Well, if The Queen of Thornes is right Margaery's prospects are much improved. She'll still be Queen and she gets to marry the nice boy, instead of his monster brother. He's probably too young for her to get much out of the marriage anytime soon, but given her marriage to Renly, she's too practical to mind that.

I agree, if he were going to do it he would have been slicker about it, but I really don't think Tyrion would have ever done it. Being a kinslayer means something in this world. We've seen that the God's are real. Even Tywin believes in them. Tyrion had a LOT of reason to kill Joff, almost every highborn person at that wedding did, but Tyrion isn't as evil as Cersei thinks. He has threatened her, but we've seen him soften to her at times when she cries. She thinks he sent Myercella away to hurt her, but it was to protect the girl from Stannis. Cersei has never been able to see him as anything but the monster who killed her mother. I think we have Tywin to thank for that. It would also be interesting to see the mother. I think her name was Joanna, but I can't remember for sure. I bet she was a good person.

I agree. I do think Cersei believes it though. She's never been able to see Tyrion clearly.

We don't really know how many people truly believe it. I bet Tywin doesn't. Actually, I bet a lot of people don't, but they aren't going to go against Cersei.

I agree that her story doesn't lend itself to TV. I do like it that they're showing that she's crafty. I don't think Tywin would be able to out maneuver her the way he did Robb. It would be interesting to see Dany and the Lannisters at war. I think with Loras, they didn't want to make the main gay character celibate (after Renly dies) like he is in the books. I can understand that, but I also wish we saw him more with his family.

I'm with you. Sansa had her backbone tested when Joffery made her look at Ned's head. She dug deep and found her inner strength. I loved it that she didn't let him break her. She nearly killed that little monster right then and there. The Hound stopped her, but I never thought he was saving Joffery, just Sansa from being killed for killing the King.

By the way, I'm sorry if it seemed like I was pissing on something you enjoyed. For me, it would be a lot more exciting to see a bisexual threesome with characters I have a relationship with. Say Jaime, Cersei and Magaery or Loras/Jaime/Cersei, decided to hatch a plot to over throw Tywin, while getting it on. That would really be fun, but when it's just random prostitutes that doesn't get me involved in the same way, but I do enjoy The Red Vipers view of sexuality.