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I was snooping around the UCLA Film & TV archive web page and they have several early 70's (many from 1973) AW episodes listed in their catalogue, but it states they are not available to the public to view.

I would love to see those and the 70's Y&R episodes they have.

In some these clips, JLB has a bit of a 70's Sissy Spacek look going on.

Was the book what Vanessa meant when she said she knew things about Lorie?

Did Vanessa ever have any scenes with JL's Leslie?

The tension between Lorie and Vanessa is delicious to watch. You can sort of see that Lorie is in over her head, yet you can also see why Vanessa is so rattled.

It's a real credit to Bill Bell that he managed to get 4-5 years of story with Vanessa. Today's soaps would get a year at best. Even JER, with his "woman in white" story, only kept her around for about a year.

I gather the book is what Vanessa is reffering to. Vanessa found Leslie more docile and easy to deal with than spitfire Lorie. Later on Lorie taunts Vanessa when she thinks she is faking her injuries and Vanessa lifts the veil to show her she is not. Lorie then discovers she could have had surgery, but uses it as a way to keep Lance close to her.

I read that Janice Lynde left in early 1977 and K.T. Stevens came on in early 1976, so I assume they did have scenes together. K.T. Stevens was friends with Jeanne Cooper in real life for years prior to them both being on Y&R. K.T. was the ex wife of Hugh Marlowe.

That's interesting - I wonder whatever happened to the other Peter Loves as well. Poor Marcus Smythe, the last actor to play Peter, had to play the character when he was painted into a corner and beyond redemption.

Christopher Holder who played Peter Love # 2 is now an acting teacher. He has a web page and teaches at the Ivana Chubbuck Studio. Chris also played Kevin Bancroft on Y&R, Mark Aldrich on Edge Of Night, and Wade Matthews on All My Children.

Thanks for the 1977 clip.JLB was excellent as always. I hope we will get to see scenes of the 1981 Gala Ball where she tries to steal Leslie's thunder by showing up in that dress slit up to her panties.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...I see. Somehow it doesn't have quite the same ring as "The Bug". LOL

A few years back there was a wedding announcement in my local paper and the grooms name was Snapper.....I can guess where his mother got that name. There's no telling how many Ridge and Thornes are out there running around......LOL

I don't get the impression he was well liked by viewers.

Dennis was written out pretty quickly (about a year). He was married to Jaclyn Smith and they divorced around the time he started Y&R. He and Tom Ligon (Lucas) did have the same hair color etc....and did look like they could of been brothers.

It seems like Bill Bell just grew tired of Leslie/Laurie/Lance/Lucas and wanted it all to end. As soon as Jami Lyn Bauer decided to call it quits, he started getting rid of the Fosters/Brooks.

I never could figure out what Peggy Brooks really did other than the Jack/Joanne thing and her short romance with Steve Williams during the cult story. She stayed on till about late 81/early 82. She was one of those characters that Bill Bell seemed to not know what to do with her.

Chris Brooks was the same way. In the early 80's she had these stupid storylines where she wanted new furniture or a new house and Snapper was too full of pride to accept Stuarts help and they fought about it. Then she became a Jabot model briefly before being written out. I feel Bill Bell made the mistake of getting rid of the Sally McGuire character too soon. If he had kept her on, they could have been a triangle like Rachel/Steve/Alice on Another World. Chris could have been tormented by Sally who lorded it over her for giving Snapper a child, while Chris miscarried. Sally then would pursue Snapper and there would have been periods where Snapper married Sally. Greg was in love with Chris and Stuart wanted Greg to pursue her. Maybe Greg could have pined for her while married to Nikki, which opened up another storyline.

You don't know how much I wish that were true, lol. That would be about as awesome as watching Roscoe Orman from "Sesame Street" play Tyrone the pimp on ALL MY CHILDREN.

I first thought that was her, but then realized everyone was right that it was Nancy # 1 from Family. If it were Betty, maybe she would get Lady Elaine Fairchilde to tear Lauren a new one.....LOL

That's the first Nancy from Family? Wow. I was just watching that a few weeks ago.

You are right, that is the first Nancy. I knew she looked familiar, but I was thinking she looked like Betty Aberlin from Mister Rogers. I saw that Y&R episode as a kid when it first aired in 1985.

I loved the episodes that guy uploaded, especially the one where Katherine made Jill give her a manicure. She tells Jill she found one of her old smock if she wants to put it on. When Jill is finished doing her nails, she goes to leave and Kay tells her she's not finished, she wants a pedicure and kicks off her shoes........LOL I bet Bill Bell got a kick out of writing that stuff.

Isn't that Betty Aberlin from Mister Rogers Neighborhood playing Gina's former cellmate talking to Lauren ?

I forgot to add that Harding Lemay was also a big fan of Beverly Penberthy (Pat). He said he saw her on the show before he took the job and knew he wanted to seperate Pat from her marriage to John Randolph to explore other romantic storylines for her. I wonder how he felt about Michael Ryan (John) since he killed him off in 1979 ?

There are a few slams to actors in the book where he doesn't name names.

It's always strange seeing Liz as so serious (and Irene Dailey being so trim).

I think Lemay just did not like Jacquie Courtney being a pre-established star when he arrived, as he also seemed to have no time for Reinholt, Val Dufour, Virginia Dwyer, or Robin Strasser. He only seemed to think highly of Susan Sullivan, who became a personal friend, and Constance Ford.

In some way I wonder if he resented that they were not his to create (Rauch may have felt this way too). Unfortunately their AW was built on sand due to all the theater actors who didn't want to stay around (that was the reason the woman who played Therese Lamonte left).

I thought Courtney was superb in her breakdown scenes, at least what is available. You have to be OTT, to show the toll this took on Alice, to show us that this is NOT Alice.

If anyone wants more of this material, Eddie Drueding has it available for download on his site. He only asks you consider donating. He has another clip from around this time that's very good, where Pat and Robert find Alice hiding in the closet.

http://www.igs.net/~awhp/awvl.html

The downloads aren't available right now but they pop up again at some point during the month, or next month.

I agree. I think writers such as HL have chips on their shoulders and do not want to write for characters or actors they did not cast or create. They wanted were intent on changing Rachel because of their casting of VW and making JC & GH secondary.

Yes, I have the AW download from Eddie's website and all of JC scenes were excellent. It was Lenore and Russ that went to check on Alice and had to break in to check on her. JC is so convincing as a mentally disturbed Alice. William Roerick plays Alice's doctor that comes with Russ to the house to convince her to come with him to the hospital. William would go on to GL as Henry Chamberlain.

Thanks for sharing that! So happy to finally see it and in color! It did not disappoint. JC was so good. I'm really intrigued by her Alice and Pat on OLTL but I wish she stayed as Alice.

Thank you saynotoursoap!

I read that JC quit because she didn't want Alice to get involved with Willis Frame. She felt that would be out of character. I recently downloaded Harding Lemay's book " Eight Years In Another World" and he really trashes her and George Reinholt in the book. If I remember correctly, he talks about the Alice/Rachel scene and says that he hated the way JC played it and called and complained to Paul Rauch when he saw it on TV. He wanted her to have a quiet breakdown and referred to her playing it as histrionic.

I think HL was full of crap. The above scene is awesome and JC was excellent as a mentally disturbed Alice. He also trashed her for sloppy bad acting in other chapters. He claimed she wrote her lines on her cuffs, sobbed through scenes of dialogue because she didn't learn her lines etc.....He went on about George Reinholts uneven acting and bad behavior behind the scenes. He claims other actors were put out with George and the final straw was when he threw a chair at a director.

I have some questions about vintage AW footage. I saw some scenes in Victoria Wyndhams 25th anniversary where they show Rachel and Steve arguing about their marriage and him still being in love with Alice. The footage would have been from around 1973. Has anyone come across that footage in their vintage collection or was that found in the NBC vault ? It's not on the download I got and Eddie at the AW Homepage said what was in the collection he has was all there is available.

I viewing the Rachel/Alice confrontation years ago at WoSt, but I seem to remember a scene where Rachel arrives at the house and Alice is on the stairs when Rachel starts in on her before the scene in the bedroom. Am I right about that ? It's been years and my memory is a bit fuzzy. I have the bedroom argument scene downloaded.

Is the majority of the early AW footage gone now or is there some at UCLA etc.....waiting to be archived ?

I got a copy of the Another World material 1964-1978 from a download. Some of the footage has a weird angled cam corder filmed technique. I don't know why. The Walter & Lenore wedding from 1968 is a b&w kinescope,but great fun to watch. The Alice/Steve/Rachel material is edits, but awesome. Jackie Courtney and George Reinholt were really good, which I don't understand why Paul Rauch and Harding Lemay complained.

The scene everybody has talked about from the WoSt days with hateful Rachel is included. Rachel is in Alice's bedroom and Liz is there. Alice is in the middle of a mental breakdown. Rachel starts screeching she wants the house and Alice tells her she will never let her have it and whispers to Liz "Please don't let her take it" and Liz say's "I promise I won't" Rachel keeps on and on about how Steve wants her and Jamie to have it and doesn't want Alice there anymore. She then tells Alice that she was able to give Steve what he wanted, a son to carry on his name. And then screeches where is the son that you ever gave him. Liz makes the most painful expression after she says it. Alice looks at Rachel with hatred, hollers out and lunges off the bed while Liz tries to restrain her and Alice picks up something and throws it at Rachel and screams "Get Out Of My House". Alice runs after Rachel throwing things and Liz follows then the camera cuts to Rachel running down the stairs and Alice picks something off a shelf and throws it after Rachel is able to make it out the front door.

There are several fantastic scenes where Alice has mentally lost it. One scene is where Russ and Lenore have to break one of the side light windows out to unlock the door after Alice won't answer. They go in and then Lenore turns around and Alice comes out of the closet from hiding in her night clothes. She then starts teling them that she will never leave the house because Steve built it for her.

None of the Foster/Brooks footage includes any modern character, so it truly felt like I was watching a different show. It was basically Lance, Lucas, Vanessa, Leslie, Lorie, Mark and Stuart.

Thanks for the info. I thought maybe Nikki would be included since Melody Thomas Scott came on in 1979 and married Greg within months. The Leslie/Laurie/Lance/Lucas thing was getting big at the same time.

A few pages back somebody posted a link to a site with lots of Y&R stuff from the 70s and I now have some of those DVDs and have begun watching this. As for the full episodes, it's mostly the 70s episodes that have popped up online, although I think one was new to me. Mostly it's stuff dealing with Jennifer Brooks breast cancer, but you also have some Foster stuff in there. I know somewhere in the collection there is an episode of Y&R with Brian Kerwin as Greg Foster, but I haven't watched that yet. I DID watch the first batch of Lorie edits and it was glorious! It goes without saying that Jaime Lyn Bauer doesn't get enough credit for getting Y&R off the ground. I would even say she was probably more important than Jill or Katherine at this point. She has such gravitas and you see why they would write the entire family off when she left. She held up every actor she had scenes with and many of them were good actors. My favorite scene so far was seeing Mark break it off with Lorie because she is his sister.

Once I figure out how to post this stuff I will! I'm also still watching the Y&R uploads in this thread and am watching the episodes where Nina has shot David and Cricket is trying to prove he's faking his paralysis. You also have a VERY young Victoria home from boarding school learning about Ruthless and hating Ashley. I had no idea Heather Tom could be so young. It's so weird seeing her this way lol. She is still such a powerhouse even at a young age. I also like that they brought her on with such a strong focus on her relationship with Victor.

I was the one who posted that link. Thanks for the reply. I tried talking to the guy who runs that site about getting the Y&R stuff, but never heard back. I didn't have anything to trade that he didn't already have.

Does the Foster/Brooks material have any of Nikki and Greg's marriage ?

Yeah, I really like GR and the Kevin character as originally written was compelling, but his redemption was handled badly. The scenes of him getting beat up in jail were some of the most beautiful directing that Y&R has ever done, but that should have been just the start. A bunch of scenes of people saying they feel sorry for Kevin, and Kevin whining about how he does not want to be in a jail cell (but yet continually committing major and minor crimes) didn't get the job done. I still think they should make him evil again.

As far Adam, I wouldn't even know where to begin. They should have never written all of that garbage to begin with. The original storyline of CE's Adam trying to find his place in the company was great.

Yeah the Christine getting engaged to Michael was one of those things I thought Y&R would never do. I never thought Christine would end up engaged to her rapist (well, near rapist)... but then they had Paul rape her also and then them getting married... really ridiculous. Especially now that I've just watched some of the 80s episodes that YRfan23 uploaded and saw what Christine had to deal with from Derek.

I think it's crazy how many times they have had Christine/Cricket raped, stalked, sexually harassed.

I ran across this web page of a DVD/Tape trader that has a ton of vintage Y&R episodes and edits. I wish someone would trade some stuff and get their hands on the 70's and early 80's material listed and post it on youtube.

http://soapoperadvdlist.webs.com/the-young-and-the-restless

I don't know if this has been posted, but here some audio clips from 1969.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_ecW_-20jA

I hated when they grew up Nick. Joshua Morrow is one of the most lousy, grating, annoying soap actors .

I forgot to ask when I posted the Tom Selleck clip, I keep seeing on web sites that he reprised his role of Jed Andrews in 2005. I don't recall that at all. Then again, I stopped being a loyal Y&R viewer in 2000 after Bill Bell was no longer calling shots.

Here is a short clip of Tom Selleck on The Talk discussing his days on Y&R. They show a clip of his first episode from 1974 with Jamie Lynn Bauer (Lorie Brooks).

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x18ca7w_the-talk-tom-selleck-remembers-y-r-days_tv