carolineg

You know even if you took out the whole rape/drugging aspect of the Brook/Dante thing in 2010 it would not make more sense to me than a teenage pregnancy. Then we'd have to deal with Dante consensually cheating on Lulu and it would make the characters like 50 not to mention that would have meant Carly and Brook Lynn's plan succeeded so there would be no reason to keep the baby a secret. Plus, AL's BLQ was still onscreen for almost a year after that. She was stuck in that awful tale with TC's Nik where she was paid to be his escort or companion if you all recall that. So even if this teenage pregnancy story is dumb it's at least in the realm of possibility. Also count me in for a Willow/Chase redux. I always thought it was both characters best pairing. That obviously isn't saying much but I did think KM and JS had nice chemistry.

I actually really like the actress that plays Joy and think she does a good job. I had been wanting the show to cast Joy for years. It was just such an odd time to bring the character on. Craig, Nancy, and Chloe are all in New York. There is no reason for her to be in Salem at all. Alexann Hopkins could be playing any random young female. Outside of her disdain for her own mother we really haven't heard much about her relationship with her family or Chloe or Craig. Chloe was on and off the show for decades in ridiculous stories and the show brings her sister and Phillip back now that Nadia's gone lol? Honestly this whole Rachel Sr. plot would make a bit more sense if little Rachel was going after Chloe and not Ava. At least Chloe/Brady have a long history and little Rachel has hated her for years. Anyhow, considering Nadia always comes back no matter how badly the show treats her I am sure we will see Chloe again. There really needs to be someone in town that grounds Joy and makes me care about her more.

Lol. It's such a fringe character I wasted too many posts on. No one would ever miss her if she doesn't ever show up again.

I think you can probably try to redeem Natalia. The problem is she said a few apologies to people and she's mostly being redeemed through Sonny. And even I am not naive enough to think Sonny liking her and giving her two gay children is enough in 2025.

Yeah, Idk if ELR thought working with Mo was a sweet deal or something, but trying to make us believe the character has legs is just her trying to get a few more paychecks at this point.

Idk. I can't imagine co-signing Sonny's nonsense is satisfying for an actor. This feels like a massive downgrade for her and I am not even that much of a Maria or ELR fan.

I have read some quotes from Rena about Loving where it didn't seem like a positive experience? She more mocked her own acting and being so young though. Again, I don't hate ELR for taking a job, but at least do the minimal research. Blaze's mother/family was said to be homophobic long before ELR was cast so she shouldn't be shocked about the character making these comments. The 58-year-old veteran actress being stunned she has to say mean things is like just a real walk back on the character and I am not buying it.

Yes. There are even actions and words that KMc and Vanessa have talked about Steve and Mo saying to them and Vanessa sort of laughs it off even though I am like...😑. Hopefully everyone has matured since then. I just think if you are comfortable taking shots at Tamara and Sarah I can't even imagine how much they mocked the actual unsuccessful love interests.

The GH set has always sounded toxic. I am a little surprised that Sarah was involved in the LV stuff since it seems like she was bullied by at least Steve as well. The stories Mo tells openly in his book about Tamara make me think a lot of the rumors are true. I am sure JFP just encouraged it all.

The Shane writing for the past few weeks (months?) has always seemed off to me as well. I buy the Drew theory.

Amber definitely would have stayed longer. I do sometimes think Sarah was just over it all at that point, but still would have probably stayed a bit longer. I think pretty much everyone at the time did think Sarah was destined for stardom though. LV/Hannah getting dumped was obvious. I am actually surprised she lasted as long as she did. I just remember hearing rumors Mo (and possibly Steve?) treated her badly, which checks out with everything we have heard about them in the early 2000's. And that JJ held a grudge for years. JJ's career was pretty hot back then and he would not have returned to GH in 2001 or 2002 so that could also be fans making something out of nothing. I tend to believe MB was pretty mean to Lisa if only because this was Sonny's return and first major flop of a story.

The helicopter and all her demands were way too much and made Jensen look bad. In the end I am not sure much of it mattered. AW was always going to go whether it outlasted Sunset Beach or not. I know SJB and Amber both had problems with JFP, but I believe Sarah at least worked it out with her eventually. I think Amber actually wanted to stay and the show wouldn't give her an acceptable contract or just wrote her off. I can't recall which. I think Lisa Vultaggio (Hannah) had issues with GH BTS in general not specifically JFP. To the point there were long standing rumors JJ was pissed at GH and possibly Mo for the way the show treated his girlfriend (now wife). I don't have anything positive to say about LV's acting or Hannah's story, but no actress could have made that character work. It was a really stupid plan to hire an actress that looked just like Vanessa Marcil months after Brenda left-even if that was part of the story. The Hannah character got much better once she started mixing it up with AJ and Taggert, but it was too little too late.

Yes! Now that you say that I completely remember she was supposed to replace Bobbie or something of the sort. JFP wanted to get rid of Zeman. I am not sure if that's more of a BTS tidbit or actual facts that were reported but I know people on here have discussed it before. I thought MBE was better than JB. She at least gave it her all. The writing for Katherine was just so off. I do agree MBE would have worked better short term.

I think we both agreed Watros brief stint as Vicky elevated the character much more. I think Jensen was passable in the early to mid 90's being an ingenue. But once she got a bit older it didn't translate and she didn't try to expand her acting or take any real chances. Even if they introduced Melissa slowly as a side character that beefed up the hospital staff a bit I don't think it would have been successful. There was just way too much talent not being used in her age range. If JFP just correctly used the actresses she already had instead she would have been labeled as a hero-or at least not gotten put in a corner by Guza for the rest of her tenure. Then again epically fumbling the ball with both Genie and Vanessa is probably one of the dumbest moves she could have possibly made, so JFP was always going to screw the whole thing up.

I think time has shown us Jensen Buchanan isn't a very good person or at least has a lot of issues. Hopefully she's doing better now. I don't blame her for taking the job at GH. That's not her fault. It's work on a popular soap and she's an actress. I side eye her ridiculous contract demands at AW, but again, that's on AW for not telling her no and to go kick rocks. AW put themselves in that position and it was among a series of bad decisions made before the show was cancelled. You can blame Jensen for mediocre performances and lack of chemistry with the GH cast. It doesn't appear she has worked since. I squarely blame JFP for greatly overestimating JB's star power and doubling down instead of pivoting when it was clear Melissa and Roy/Melissa were flops.

Most of 2001 is extremely painful. Not only the Roy/Melissa show. The aforementioned Endgame, Angel, the Lucky story just to name a few things that year. JFP was lucky to keep her job at all. I still always question the reasoning in hiring leads from failed shows to lead another show. It works in some cases, but their star powering wasn't enough to keep their show on the air. You can't just plop them on a new show with a long history and hope it translates.

Correct. I really do think JFP is intelligent in some aspects of running a show, but the favoritism and misogyny is real with her. GH also had an embarrassment of popular leads to choose from at the time. It was unnecessary to shift to newbies like Roy/Melissa. In 2001 people weren't even that sick of Sonny, Jason, or Luke yet and there were a lot of vets (in JB's age range) just waiting for story while Melissa took over the show.

Thanks. That checks out with the last time I recall seeing him. I remember him flipping on Alcazar. I can't say I particularly cared for Roy. I do remember liking him with Laura and their friendship. He definitely worked better in a supporting role. Even if I ignore JFP's annoying propping of AM, the character of Roy just wasn't strong enough to lead.

What ended up happening to Roy? I know they gave him Hannah as a daughter, and he was dating Felicia and then he was gone. Did he just leave town? The last time I remember seeing him was during the very beginning of the Brenda returns story and he was working for Alcazar and still with Felicia. I am sure he most have gotten some exit or ending to the character. I guess it shows how little minor the character became if I haven't even questioned where he went until today lol.

I don't think it helped that Nik, Gia and Lucky were the only younger ones involved. This could have been a passing of the torch adventure moment, but it was more like 80's stars reliving their glory years with a side of Jax because the show had no idea what to do with him.

Understood. I am sorry it is a triggering topic for you. I could have worded my initial post better.

OMG! I am not arguing if Sami was raped or not. I know she was. I have never said it was consensual. I was just saying how it was presented at Lucas/Sami's wedding. A photo or video came out and it looked like she slept with EJ willingly. Sami told Lucas the truth immediately. I don't need a PSA on sexual assault. Thanks though.

Steve Burton has three kids. Mo has 4. That's pretty normal? They are mostly adults at this point anyhow.

I know. I apologize.

You know they might have just been together at the time. I think the fact she was raped/slept with EJ came out at Lucas and Sami's wedding.