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Agreed. Jamie Martin Mann had something. He seems much more vulnerable and young than the current Tate and I think that worked for the character. I still think AP is a find for Holly and I really don't hate the girl that plays Sophia. I just hate that the sidekicks always are a little dumb, silly, and vapid. I'll give Aaron a shot, but he was one very unnatural actor on camera. Like Charity Rahmer vibes😂 To be fair, I haven't been a teenager for a billion years, but we used to talk about the dumbest stuff and that wouldn't have been interesting or entertaining on camera so I don't know how to make teens seem real. I think soaps tend to make teens much more "wholesome" than what they actually are IRL like an afternoon special or something.

I don't even hate the fact Sophia used the football incident to get Tate to take her to the prom. Whatever. Stupid soap stuff. Why was there such a long back and forth as to whether or not the football was thrown on purpose? No normal teenage boy would try to throw a football directly into a female's face on purpose, especially since these guys appear to like Holly and Sophia lol.

That I'd believe as well. To circle back from the Classic GH talk maybe Dex is actually Sly and he just didn't age at the same rate as Lucky🤷‍♀️

Keesha was on screen long after she and Jason broke up though. That's not even possible. Keesha didn't appear much but she wasn't gone for 9 months at a time. A Keesha/AJ child is much more plausible-and an idea I support. Also, Keesha/Jason having a child would definitely rule out Dex lol. Agreed. If Jake didn't appear alive again years ago I could probably work my way around the idea that Dex was presumed dead Jake. Not that I care much about Dex, but I could see it with him being Sonny's right hand guy for a moment. SB and Dex actor do look a bit alike.

I seriously think when Jagger was cast with a blonde guy someone on the internet/twitter/facebook was all "Dex is blonde too! Obviously his son!" and it gained some traction for whatever reason. I think I've even heard Dex might be Jason's secret son, but I have no idea how that would be possible. Maybe when SB left the first time or something?

So, let's even say Dex started showing some signs of neurodivergence when Jagger was cast. He hasn't at all. I'd sooner believe Spinelli was Jagger's son than Dex. And I know BA is like way too old, but I believe Spinelli is possibly autistic.

Exactly, people pointed that out on here several times. I don't even know why that was a rumor. Jagger even mentioned his son was autistic his first day back so there wasn't any uncertainty that the Nightshift storyline was erased.

The likelihood of Dex being Stone was so wildly slim anyhow. I am pretty sure Lois/Jagger had some scenes with ASJ and Cari Shayne briefly returned when Stone was diagnosed. I don't have actual proof at this moment but I do remember them talking at Kelly's in my mind. The show tries really, really hard to avoid any mention of Jax lol. Even if Joss or someone else is talking about him they don't even use his name. Oh well!

So, yeah, Tate doesn't need to worry about paying for college and he does look too old. I sort of thought the awkward talk about student loans had something to do with Aaron possibly applying for Li's college grant Kristen set up? It was a college grant/scholarship she set up right? Lol it was such a minor detail I forgot already.

I can agree with that. I don't think Guza had much interest in the type of character Tony was.

I did like the Outback and Luke's and the fact people could only afford to live above Kelly's. Riche did have a lot of characters aspiring to "make it" like Jagger, Karen, Stone, even Miguel lol. It felt more grounded. Your point is spot on. Monty made it all seem mundane and boring. Jenny droning on and on about the environment and the working class is just dull, but I don't know if it's the actress or the writing, or the combo. I did find Julia/Bill to be fairly interesting. I don't know if that is Monty though.

Tony had a pretty strong arc with Carly/Michael and then his breakdown although one could argue the character never really came back from that. I can agree about Jax. I think he's more B tier, but there was a pretty brief, strong push for him to be a lead when MB left and he was Brenda's main love interest. I think the investment was there after VM's 2003 departure, but once Jax tanked with Sam it was all over and he was just the default anti-Sonny guy.

I am nothing if not predictable lol. She does! She may not return to daytime, but I know you will find a potential role for her somewhere😂 Poor, GT, she really did nothing to deserve the mocking I give her.

I really, honestly don't hate Gina Tognoni!!! I do really hate Skye and am not sad Robin Christopher retired at all.

I know it's been said before, but I think the Eckerts sound interesting in theory. If you drop the whole Tony Geary/Spencer angle and just hired a few dynamic actors for Jenny and Bill it may have worked. I personally find the working class PC stuff boring and annoying. I have no idea how relevant it was in 1991 for the audience though.

The teens are incredibly awkward. Sophia seems to have a personality, but I am pretty sure they just found this Aaron guy in the parking lot lol. When he was talking to Tate about all his extra curricular activities I felt like Tate just met him in that moment at the park. Wouldn't he know all this about his good buddy? I don't know why the show is so adverse to adding obvious legacy kids like Parker and Sydney to this group. Also the Last Blast shout out felt so very Ron lol.

My disdain for Skye on GH is very well known. Perhaps Skye had potential on the show she was supposed to be on-All my Children. I would rank Lois top 3 on my personal list, but she didn't really have that much time on the show or overall impact. She would be B-tier on the basis of her being popular and having a very epic romance/wedding. I won't even count birthing boring ass Brook Lynn against her. The show can't currently figure out what to do with Lois and if, say, Robin or Brenda returned they would immediately have front burner stories.

I was just thinking all these actresses lead major stories regardless at different times. Skye doesn't rank at all. She is the worst. I considered Lila, but I would say she was more a matriarch figure than someone who drove story.

Yeah. To me I think A tier would be Anna, Laura, and Carly I suppose, but there are about 10 other women I would like to add like Bobbie, Tracy, Felicia, Holly, Monica, Robin, Brenda, Tiffany, Lesley, Lucy even?

I think I would consider Mac B-tier. I would clump Ned, Jax, Tony and Alan at the same level during the 90's. All of these guys drove big stories, but had periods where they weren't doing a whole lot. Although I can't recall a "Mac" driven story after 1998 and the Tale of 2 Macs. Honestly I think it's harder to rank the woman on the show. To me there are a lot more iconic woman from this show than men.

I thought it was the rape story and DG was problematic for some reason. Like he was fired and MB was even mad about it.

I mean, obviously, Vanessa and MB owed it to me for being their most staunch supporter lol. I really do think Vanessa gets Brenda as a character. I don't dislike anything she did because I do understand. DZ/VM did have some chemistry. And I still don't think it would have been the worst for them to have been more than platonic buds. It feels no fault to me because how would either know one another existed? It's a bit creepy but Brenda literally said she liked Dante because he reminded her of Sonny I feel like Jax/Brenda burned through so much story in 2002. I will never believe Jax would willing leave Brenda at the altar after all the everything in 1997. Franco should have probably just threw Jax in front of moving car Luke was driving.🤦‍♀️

The 2015 Luke/Bill stuff I am not great at remembering. Because it all was just an eye roll. I am just trying to imagine a Bill/Bobbie pairing in my mind and it doesn't work out well lol.

From what i have gleaned over the years (and I don't want to look it up lol) Brenda was supposed to be his girlfriend/partner/wife whatever. Not a co-conspirator as she, of course, wasn't wise to Franco's plans. It checks they hired Marsha Thomason Vanessa's costar from Las Vegas though. Vanessa was very clear that she only wanted to work with characters Brenda knew on the show and didn't want a return to be a gimmick/publicity stunt. I think she booked Lipstick Jungle directly after this so I think GH had to wait that out. I do believe Vanessa came to the table with very specific ideas for Brenda and was pissy when they added Dante. It seems like she was hyper focused on a Sonny/Brenda reunion when in the past she was always neutral on the Sonny/Brenda/Jax triangle. Maybe Ingo was already weird, but she did seem to be close to him previously.

Lol! The MOCA thing is what I was talking about. I *think* Guza got a great big idea about Franco being tied to Brenda and wanted the Balkan nonsense to be a Franco thing instead. Not the Dante part, but the child and that whole thing. I have only pieced that together through VM interviews and she is an unreliable narrator so take that for what it's worth. When Vanessa dipped out of that idea because she got another gig or something I think Guza flipped the whole thought to Jason. Because I think Guza's entire inner monologue in 2010 was "Jason! Jason! Jason! And also Brenda! Dante!"