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    The Politics Thread

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    1 minute ago, marceline said:

     

    Nope. They will go right back to chasing clicks. Remember Jeff Zucker keeps a framed Trump tweet on his office wall. No matter how many bombs get sent to CNN, he's safe and I doubt he gives half a damn if some of his employees get killed.

     

    I will have to take your word on that but as someone who used to live, study and work in NYC and was there on September 11th, I think most people are underestimating the effect that the effect of something like that can have on your psyche.  

     

    Perhaps CNN headquarters in Atlanta won't care, I'll give you that but I would think those people in the Time Warner building would care.

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    The Politics Thread

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    34 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

    The sad truth is I think that a lot of people just never will care when this happens to Democrats - I think many on the left see it as part of the process and many others aren't ginned up to care because the press doesn't make them, as the press hates Democrats and liberals anyway (unless they are "good" Democrats who agree with Republicans). 

     

    There will be more upset over Mitch McConnell being heckled in a restaurant. 

     

    I have a feeling Republicans are already out there saying that Democrats are doing this to themselves for sympathy. 

     

    Thing is...it's not just Democrats that this is happening to.

     

    8 minutes ago, marceline said:

    Sorry but I'm just going to say it. There's a whole lot of chickens coming home to roost today. The NY Times and CNN worked overtime to put Trump in office. They didn't see him as a threat to themselves and they didn't give a [!@#$%^&*] about the rest of us. Even now they are doing everything they can to hand the midterms to the Republicans. I don't want to see bloodshed because we've already had too much but I refuse to take to the barricades for these people just because their years of malpractice have caught up to them because tomorrow they'll be right back to rehashing Bill Clinton's affair with Monica Lewinsky and chasing after Nazis in diners.

     

    Add Les Moonves/CBS and you've got the truth right there!

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    The Politics Thread

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    Maybe because a link between The Proud Boys and the Heritage Foundation was recently discovered?  Of course, the press can't be relied upon to actually do some research to verify whether or not this is the case.  Just more rhetoric on caravans thousands of miles away from any U.S. border.

     

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    Ryan's Hope Discussion Thread

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    On 10/21/2018 at 11:05 PM, BetterForgotten said:

    TV One aired an episode of Uncensored about Tichina Arnold tonight. She talked about how she'll always love and be grateful to Michael Levin because he really really went to bat for her to get cast on Ryan's Hope, and because that door opened for her, it led to other opportunities. 

     

    It was sweet how fondly she spoke of him. 

     

    I just saw this episode on TV One's tragic website. She spoke with a great amount of candor about her life at the time she did RH and AMC.  I remember reading/hearing about the incident at Macys, although at the time, at first it was being reported as a shoplifting incident but obviously that was an erroneous report as it was a stolen credit card but I'm glad she spoke about it and she admitted that this was the first time she'd talked about it publicly.  It sounds as if she succumbed to peer pressure to prove her mettle to run with a fast crowd.  Thankfully, she learned and grew from that.

     

    I remember seeing Tichina and Tisha Campbell on the Little Shop Of Horrors movie as a kid so my impression of them was always as singers.  Tichina Arnold has a powerful voice.  It's great that she still continues to do music.  

    Now I want to find some episodes of her when she was on RH.  Are there episodes on You Tube?

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    The Politics Thread

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    1 hour ago, Vee said:

     

    He also became infamous for tearing up and crying on-air after Trump's first State of the Union(?) last year and saying "this is the moment Trump became president!" That's what lost me completely. It's sad because he used to do good work.

     

    He was losing me before that but that moment cemented it.

     

     

    This is very sad but he has to live there and clearly, his family is not safe.  Imagine having to shake the hand of your father's murderer!

     

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    The Politics Thread

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    All he needs to do is put the "white" before it and he'd be 100% accurate (for once).

     

    5 hours ago, Khan said:

    He (and Kanye) make me feel ashamed to be an African-American male.

     

    Also, why, in God's name, is SON futzing around with the board's formats AGAIN??

     

    The only feature(s) I really want are a proper quote feature (where I can insert a quote from a previous thread/section) and something where I can make the messageboard dark (like they do in Gmail).

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    The Politics Thread

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    The NYT can annoy me and I don't read them nearly as much as I used to (I used to consume the Sunday Times) but there are still some reporting that they are able to do well, when they don't get into their own way.

    Their local/New York City based reporting still rates pretty highly.  There are a few stories, here and there, that you cannot find in other newspapers.

     

    So NYT still does some purpose for now.

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    The Politics Thread

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    This time instead of risky loans made to homeowners, it is risky loans made to struggling companies.  And with the weakening of Dodd-Frank, there are again, little protections if and when this C.L.O.  situation implodes.

     

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    The Politics Thread

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    2 hours ago, Max said:

    DramatistDreamer, I think that part of Bernie's problem with reaching minorities was because he had little experience dealing with them during his many decades of being active in Vermont politics. Vermont's a funny state politically, since it's pretty much the only state that is nearly all-white and all-rural, but also very liberal. (A lot of people seem to think that Maine is similar to Vermont politically, but that certainly is no longer the case. Although coastal Maine is still a liberal stronghold, the state has a whole has moved considerably to the right in recent years. This movement is evidenced not only by the fact that Paul LePage was elected governor twice, but also by the fact that Trump lost the state by only 2.96% in 2016.)

     

    While I wasn't surprised that Bernie had trouble with minorities, I was surprised that the bitterness of the 2008 primary went away and that Hillary didn't have any trouble winning the minority vote in the Democratic primaries. I suspect (though I could definitely be wrong) that a lot of minorities appreciated the way that Hillary worked for Obama and were willing to let bygones be bygones. But--and this is only my opinion--I always thought that the Obama/Hillary alliance was a very uneasy one, and was formed primarily for their mutual political benefit. For Hillary, being loyal to Obama had the obvious benefit of her inheriting the Obama coalition when she ran for POTUS again in 2016. But Obama benefited as well: had Hillary stayed in the Senate, she may have been a persistent Democratic critic of the former president (with an eye on challenging President Obama in the 2012 Democratic primary). Also, I thought that offering Hillary the Secretary of State position (as opposed to some other high-profile position that seemed to be a better fit, such as Attorney General) was puzzling, since their differences over the Iraq War was the # 1 reason why Obama defeated Hillary in 2008.

     

    I agree that many of Bernie's problems stemmed from the fact that he was only familiar with Vermont style politics but I'm not sure that Bernie himself recognized this fact.  He certainly didn't acknowledge it, even when he was advised that this was the case. 

     

    He had no experience governing in a place as diverse as NYC but that didn't stop him from running to Brooklyn in an effort to boost his NYC credentials during the primary campaign to tout Brooklyn as instrumental to shaping him as the person he became in his life.

    Aside from that, Bernie just made numerous faux pas on the campaign trail and became caustic when he got cited for them. 

    For instance, calling black people in the South 'low information voters' certainly didn't help his case.  Instead of truly acknowledging how his comments could be taken, he insisted that others just didn't understand the spirit in which he uttered those words.  He never went much deeper than that though, just seemed to barrel along.

    Bernie seemed unwilling to listen to the concerns of voters of color, insisting his ideology was best.  He came off as a brittle, inflexible unable to adapt know-it-all. 

     

    Hillary, on the other hand, during her campaign, spent an hour at a nationally known hip hop radio station and acknowledged her past foibles, especially the super-predator comment, which she apologized for. She acknowledged how hurtful those words would come off.  She also made a fair point that many black churches and community organizations, whose leaders were exasperated by the devastation of the crack crisis on their families and neighborhoods, took a tougher, less forgiving stance and she opted to fall in line with them.

    (FWIW, I think those church and community leaders hoped that law enforcement would treat the crack crisis the way they now treat the opioid crisis--with a degree of humanity but soon realized that the people would be much harsher toward their communities, arresting and jailing addicts for long sentences, wreaking even greater devastation in families and communities, but that's another story for another post).

     

    At the heart of the matter between Hillary and Obama is that fact that both are pragmatic people.  The emnity stemmed from their two "camps" rather than the two of them.  It was pretty well known that some key Obama campaign staff disliked Hillary but except for maybe Bill (who had his own issues), I don't think there was animosity from Hillary's key campaign staff. People forget that Hillary spent time in the Senate where she was used to quickly putting aside ego to build consensus. And I do think that Obama was genuine in wanting to build that "team of rivals" and believed that Hillary would be a great fit in his cabinet.

    FWIW, even considering his remarks in their 2008 Democratic debate where Obama seemed to hesitate and then say "Oh you're likeable enough, Hillary", I honestly think that Obama really didn't think Hillary's 'likeability factor' should matter.  He no doubt, recognized that people's impressions could often be skewed, some people certainly had negative feelings about his wife Michelle (remember that hideous cover of The New Yorker?)  so he knew that the likeability metric was pretty superficial.  I propose that that was of no consequence to him, he wanted a capable, reasonable person he could work with, even if she was tough and I suspect that he knew he'd find that in Hillary. 

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