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1 hour ago, soapfan770 said:

 

Interesting…Danny’s earliest years mystify me. I’ve seen some sources mention he came on as early as 1980 but I had have zero clue what he was doing other than occasionally hanging out with Paul and Andy. I’m familiar with his 1983-84 involvement with Lauren, Traci, and Patty but then there is a gap concerning Danny, except his summertime charity concerts lol until 1988 or so when of course he gets involved with Cricket.

I know it’s been said Bell adored Patty Weaver and she had been a leading lady at Days, but it’s unfortunate Gina never amounted to much either on Y&R

Danny was mostly involved with Patty, I think many of his appearances were also him singing or doing something with his singing career. By the time Patty married Jack, Traci came on board and he split his time between being a friend to both and his singing. 

I don't think Danny was appearing more than a few times a month, so he didn't have much story initially. 

Also it isn't clear when he went on contract the first time. Maybe when he joined or maybe months after. He still seems like a recurring character in those earlier years. 

Robin Eisenman, was she ever on B&B? Not sure she was but she has three

GH - Stacey

Days - Kelly

Y&R - Nikki (subbed for a couple of months)

Don Diamont was also on three

Days - Carlos

Y&R - Brad

B&B - Bill

1 hour ago, kalbir said:

Did anyone else get a pro-life slant from Ashley's emotional breakdown in the aftermath of ending her pregnancy? I think it was reported in the soap press that Bill Bell got alot of flack for that storyline. I don't know how religious Bill Bell was in his personal life so his personal beliefs may have clouded his storytelling or maybe somebody high up at CBS in 1986, 1987 was pro-life.

 

I am not sure if Bell had a pro-life stance or if he was so wrapped up in how he thought Ashley would react to the abortion that he didn't consider how it would play out to audiences.

It made sense that Ashley would have a bit of a meltdown as she had wanted the baby and terminated the pregnancy for Victor and Nikki and not for her self. Plus she never got therapy for her previous breakdown, so she had never resolved the mental health issues that were there. So it made sense, but I guess the breakdown didn't have to happen. I do think Bell was looking for some big high drama and I don't think he considered the message he was sending.

Then again maybe he was pro-life and this was a cautionary tale, which would suck. I don't like the idea he would punish Ashley for making that decision. 

24 minutes ago, Paul Raven said:

Ashley's marriages to Steven, Blade and Cole were pointless.

Although Steven I could buy as it was a roadblock to her her being with Victor, but he really was a nothing character. There could have been way more story with that marriage.

Blade could have been a romance but Cole and Ashley should never have happened.

A lot of characters break up after the first problem instead of them trying to work through it and having the issues in the background to come into play later on.

 

I think Steven made sense in that Ash was so over waiting for Victor and she had a man that was willing to make a commitment, she was also vulnerable to Steven because he helped her to re-build her life. She wasn't so much choosing Steven as much as she was choosing herself and a life free of complications (or so she thought) I get it from a character perspective even if their marriage was pointless. She really was just moving on and had been ready for marriage and a family and saw that opportunity in Steven. 

I think for me that is the difference, characters seemed more carefully thought out in the way they did things. Jill after Phillip III's death and Ashley post divorce from Victor were never the same to me. 

32 minutes ago, Broderick said:

Couldn't agree more.  Kay Alden -- though her writing could be sort of "dull -- was meticulous dealing with Brad & Ashley, going to GREAT lengths to show the ever-changing dynamics in Ashley and Brad's marriage, and it worked.  Once Jack Smith popped back into the picture, Ashley was suddenly announcing the paternity of Sperm Abby on videotape, Brad was suddenly hot for Olivia, and the entire storyline imploded.  

The only thing I will say, though I agree she did a good job with Ashley and Brad. I don't think her writing for Ashley was ever on point. This was the point at which Ashley became a Victor apologist, was totally submissive to Cole in a way that was off putting, and her being pregnant with Victor's baby was so beyond anything Ashley would have ever done, even Eileen said prior to the reveal that she was certain Ashley would not be carrying Victor's baby.

When Eileen returned she played Ashley with power as she had always done. When Victor returns and the board needs to vote, Victor wants to see her alone. She says nothing, smiles and walks off on him refusing to vote and later they have a very civil conversation where again Ash seems to have this power in the dynamic, she is very pragmatic about their past and does not pine for him like so many other women who act like Victor was the one that got away. Then all that changed and the Ashley I loved was truly gone. 

On 1/17/2023 at 5:20 AM, ironlion said:

Exactly! I have little to no investment in seeing Jack, Ashley, Victoria or even Sharon get married or even be in a relationship because they've all been married or coupled all over the map so many times.

The Bold and the Beautiful is a prime example of couple pairings having zero effect because everyone's been with everyone. 

Writers have to learn that it's okay to have some people be single for a few years instead of romance being the go-to B plot to fill airtime.

Ashley should have never married Blade. That was out of character for her. So soon after her divorce from Victor and still on and off with Brad. She went from just having fun and letting loose to married within 18 months.

I would have preferred if Ashley and Victor separated for a while but stayed married, he explores his feelings for Nikki, she for Brad. Blade instead is a stalker who causes havoc for Ashley and Brad, Tylo had a dark edge to him from the beginning which lent itself to creepy/stalker guy vibes. Once that was over Ashley is again torn between Victor and Brad. She reconciles with Victor and gets pregnant with Adam, thus eliminating Hope and tying Adam to two major characters from the two major families. 

You could still have had Victor disappear and meet Hope and be there for a bit, but come back and reconcile with Ashley. Maybe that is the impetus for her to return to him, having lost him. Maybe while he is presumed dead, Ash is about to move on with Brad???? Then he comes back, once again thwarting Brad's plans.

I think her marriage to Victor could have lasted until Brenda Epperson left. I think once Victor and Ashley were done her next and only other marriage should have been Brad. Whether Brenda or Eileen, that pairing worked very well and they seemed more end game to me than Ashley and Victor. 

42 minutes ago, watson71 said:

Carmen Duncan (Iris, Another World) also subbed for Eileen Fulton in 2004 when she was sick.

Oh yeah I forgot to look that one up. Apparently Eileen had a blood clot and Carmen replaced her Oct 20, 21 & 27 2004

Hey everyone I was doing a bit of searching on Eileen Fulton and went down a rabbit hole. I found some info on her run on the show and her temps that contradict wiki. Here goes

Eileen first left in April 1964 not 1963 and Lisa was offscreen for a couple of months. Pamela King debuted in July 1964 but audience reaction was so strong (and negative) that both P&G and CBS (according to Eileen at the time) wined and dined her until she returned in August 1964.

Eileen then left in early 1965 to do Our Private World, however unlike what is on wiki, Eileen returned almost immediately to ATWT with press stating she would be back on daytime in early October 1965. Eileen then quit the show a second time with one report stating her last day would be Dec 17, 1965. However no idea if this is tape or air date. I could find no replacement information and it seems that Lisa was written off the show?

It was announced Eileen would return Jan 16, 1967 after touring with her nightclub act for the last year.

Temp - Lynn Rogers I could find no information

Temp - In June 1980 Eileen contracted hepatitis and was off the show for six weeks and Betsy Von Furstenburg replaced her

Eileen quit the show again, in April 1983 stating the show had gotten bizarre but it was also reported she demanded more money and better writing. Betsy Von Furstenburg replaced her until Eileen returned August 03, 1984.

Temp - Jane Powell subbed in July 1990 for a few weeks while Eileen had surgery. Eileen returned but it seems she returned too early and had to take sick leave again and as far as I can tell Jane continued in the role. Apparently Eileen returned and once again was still too sick and left again but this time.......

Temp - Maeve McGuire stepped in around Oct or Nov 1990 (couldn't find an exact date but it wasn't 1992 as far as I can tell) and Eileen committed to staying out until her health was back. No idea when she returned.

Temp - Jane Powell replaced her again in August 1996 for a few weeks when Eileen had an emergency apendectomy on Augst 07, 1996. It was reported she would return the week of Sep 02, 1996

That's all I have and not sure if this is common knowledge but thought I would share what I found as it is different to what is on wikipedia. 

10 minutes ago, Darn said:

Were they perhaps desperate for a teen audience? Because his looks completely fit into that surfer/boy band look of the 90s. He looks fresh off an episode of Saved By The Bell or California Dreams. I started watching long after his debut and even I questioned why this bland doofus was Victor and Nikki's son. 

Maybe there was a push for some young blood on the show. I didn't think the Y&R demo had really slipped until 95 or 96 when Days was really heating up. There were so many young hot men who could act and actually would have looked the part as well. I really will never know why he got the role.

Nicholas should have been more like Nikki used to be. A little quirky, flighty and sensitive as well as a bit of a hopeless romantic. He spent more time on the ranch with Nikki and Jack. Actually if Nick had been a little more like Terry Lester's Jack, it would have made Victor's head explode, haha. 

8 hours ago, Sapounopera said:

I will never understand how Josh Morrow got hired to play EB and MTS's son. 

Same. He was one of the most miscast actors on the show, followed by Peter B as Jack but at least Peter could act and had some charm and charisma. Josh was always like watching chipped paint slowly fall off a wall. 

11 minutes ago, kalbir said:

@will81 Yes, the John Conboy/Bill Bell beef has been documented. EB wrote about his dislike of John Conboy in his book.

Oh right, I've never read his book. So few actors on the show have ever said anything bad about him for whatever reason. I will have to look that up. Do you know if Jeanne made much mention of Conboy in her book? Did Brenda in hers?

42 minutes ago, Sapounopera said:

A few years into the 80s just like Diane or Patty?

I think MTS's connection to ES took something that belonged to Jill away from her.

I'd say 1987 when Victor planned to divorce her. Maybe instead he did and Nikki left town just as Ashley married Steven. I still think the quad with Ash/Vic/Jack/Nikki would have happened. But I don't know, he really pushed Nikki by about 1982 to be more a focus, especially once Kevin Bancroft came in. Patty was gone mostly due to a failed recast and Diane was never a major focus, more a supporting character. 

I think the recast with Jess also affected things. Bell might have liked Jess, but I also feel he lost a bit of interest in Jill once Brenda was gone. His inspiration for her was on the lower end and he basically had her recycle storylines for most of the 90's. But yeah I don't doubt Ed Scott pushed to keep MTS in the spotlight and a major focus. I have never liked Ed Scott, even though I do believe Brenda Dickson was getting difficult, I also believe Ed had something to do with her departure. Not sure why, just a hunch.

37 minutes ago, kalbir said:

@Sapounopera I feel all of Y&R's backstage drama really began when ES took over as EP. Something about him has always given me s--t disturber vibes.

John Conboy wasn't much better, he literally tried to take over the show and have Bell ousted. Kay Alden confirmed the power struggles between the two and Bell clearly had nothing nice to say about him in his Emmy legends interview. Though many of the cast seemed to like him, or say they did. 

Also the rumour that he charged a bunch of sets made for Captiol to Y&R and almost brought the show down as a result, never have been able to confirm this one though I have no trouble believing it. 

3 hours ago, Sapounopera said:

Was Ed Scott married to someone else when Melody had the baby with the makeup guy?

Had MTS not married ES would she have lasted on the show? I doubt that.

MTS and Ed married around 1985 and Nikki was very much a major character by that point with her lavish wedding to Victor and the quad with Ashley and Jack. I think Bell loved Nikki and would have kept her regardless, but how long do you think she would have lasted?

15 minutes ago, Vee said:

Wasn't the claim at the time that she was always a fill-in and HT was on 'sabbatical?' I found that strange.

Yes I remember hearing that but not sure if that was after Heather came back. Pretty sure Sarah was on contract so I would still see her as an official recast but yeah maybe it was never supposed to be for long. 

13 hours ago, kalbir said:

@will81The early months of 1997 had three big recasts: Victoria, Phyllis, Grace.

Oh yeah I totally remember them, just had a memory blip that forgot when certain stories happened and who was in them. Sarah Aldrich (I think) was the Victoria replacement and she was awful. I remember the day Heather came back and it was a relief. I think she was only gone six months

7 hours ago, Joseph said:

SASHA'S MURDER YAY!!!!! And My Fave Phyllis Sandra Nelson!!!

It is so bizarre how memory works. I very much remember Sasha being killed, but I did not remember Sandra Nelson being in the role during that time. I thought this all happened with Michelle still there. I know Michelle left Feb 97 so my memory was right off on this one. 

1 hour ago, Dylan said:

I was watching the show and this question popped into my head. Did Chancellor Industries ever have an office set? I know now we have the old dark horse set but back in the day when the show had a budget, did we ever see people working their like Jabot and Newman?

The factory was shown back in the 70's when Liz worked there, around 1974. 

I'd say 1980 when Derek was scheming to take over with Judy, I am pretty sure they showed them at Chancellor

After that I don't think so. 

22 minutes ago, YRfan23 said:

New YR/BB uploads on archive!!  Looks like the first one is December 16, 1993, which we didn't have before! 

https://archive.org/details/f-1-cbs-ynrs/F1_CBS_ynrs.mp4

 

EDIT: Looks like it goes to a February 1994 episode around 22 mins. 

Awesome, thanks for always being all over these ones. I always forget to check the archive

Have we mentioned Ron Becker? He was pretty sadistic and unstable

3 hours ago, Joseph said:

True! Thanks! I think Sharon also qualifies?

Hmmm I wouldn't if this list is in reference to Bill Bell. He didn't create Sharon as unstable and she wasn't while he was still in charge of the show 

9 hours ago, Joseph said:

LOL That's very 1970's, Jill looks older with that look and Kay's Dress is very 1970's as well, but It's always a treat to see young Jill and Kay, With thar lovely Long hair

BTW Who's The Not-Esther Maid???

That's Jill's mother Elizabeth. She worked on and off for Kay for about a decade

1 hour ago, Paul Raven said:

Jonas/Leslie 'Pris'

There would have been a lot of unhappy posters if the internet had been around then.

That story went nowhere. One of Bill's misfires.

Jonas/Leslie 'Pris'

There would have been a lot of unhappy posters if the internet had been around then.

That story went nowhere. One of Bill's misfires.

The big reveal of Leslie to Lucas on the plane in Santa Leandro also sounds anti climactic, but even more so Lorie and Leslie. Lucas basically tells Lorie that he found Leslie and Lorie goes to Jonas' bar and Leslie doesn't know who she is. This all happened when John McCook had returned for a brief stint as Lance around May 1980. As far as I can tell there was no suspense. Maybe Lance knows about Leslie, but it must have been so unremarkable that synopsis doesn't even mention it. He comes back, he and Lorie reconnect, he heads back to Paris, Lorie realises Leslie has lost her memory and life goes on. All very underwhelming

Personally I think Lucas shouldn't have seen Leslie until after he was shot, so he would be sure he saw her but everyone would assume he was hullacinating. Build the suspense and have Leslie, Lance and Lorie miss each other a few times before the big reveal. John McCook was back for a couple weeks. That could have been two very explosive weeks, but it all sounds like it fell flat

Brenda Dickson - Although on her intial return to Y&R she was mostly the same with some over the top moments, as time went on she started overplaying more and more and by her last year it was ridiculous. The definition of playing to the cheap seats. 

The first episode of Roseanne to hit #1 was Dec 20, 1988 "Here's to Good Friends" with a 21.7 rating and 34% share

I had always heard SSH didn't want the part, but was the first choice. Susan Flannery didn't want to do it either but eventually accepted. 

4 hours ago, SAPOUNOPERA said:

Brenda Dickson IS Jill. It is fascinating to compare these scenes to the ones from 1974 in the hair salon on the C mansion for the first time.

Yeah I agree. Everything she does feels right as Jill. She had the best and the correct interpretation of the character, even if Jess or Deb were better actors. When Brenda brought her A game, there was no one who could touch her in the part.