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3 minutes ago, Paul Raven said:

I think it was Worldvision that handled the P&G soaps at that time. Definitely a distribution company.

AW had previously aired on the 9 network in Oz in the 70's at 11am at one point for several years.

Yes that's the one, I remember the logo now at the end of the show. So when it moved to 10 it may have been that the network bought a package of primetime shows and daytime as well. Meaning AW might have been a bargain show possibly and added with others into the package and thus the money coming for AW might have been meagre. 

11 minutes ago, watson71 said:

Does anyone know the exact date when NBC canceled Texas and The Doctors?  Their new daytime lineup debuted the first week in January 1983.

Not sure about Texas but Jon-Michael Reed announced mid October that The Doctors cast had been given notice and the show would likely go off air in December. 

From Oct 13, 1982

On 8/19/2023 at 9:57 AM, Paul Raven said:

I doubt that any money made from international broadcasts would make a difference.

I would imagine the Australian networks got the show at bargain prices. They wouldn't want to pay much for programming at 10 am in the morning. I think that the distributor would get a piece from the sale and the rest back to P&G. 

Did the actors receive anything for overseas sales? Probably a check for $1.29.

It was also very common for networks here to have package deals with companies that included several shows and were effectively forced on them. So it is impossible to know. Network 10 that aired it may have done a deal with the distributor, not P&G, that included big shows as well as others they were trying to get into international markets. 

9 hours ago, EONGLOLTL said:

I don't know why ABC or P&G didn't fight for Edge of Night.  It did very well in the markets that carried it.  I personally think it was a very good fit following General Hospital and capturing the kids after school.  I hope in 2024 that Jason is able to post the ratings and affiliates from the network switch from CBS to ABC.  It's really still really beyond me that CBS didn't move it following the Guiding Light when As the World Turns expanded though it may have faced cancellation when Guiding Light expanded.  Sigh.....

Wasn't the demo more male and P&G just didn't care for that audience. I feel like they tried to force it to become something it wasn't to get the female audience they felt they needed to sell their products.

ABC, not sure. Edge was the only show they never ended up getting ownership of. Maybe if P&G had sold the show ABC might have worked harder to clear it in more markets and worked harder to give it the 4pm/3pm slot around the country. Granted I have no idea how hard ABC worked to get it added to more local schedules. 

16 minutes ago, kalbir said:

Maybe international money was coming in? I know Another World had a sizeable following in Canada from the 1970s until the end. It was also exported to Australia and Italy but I don't know how popular it was in those countries and how long the runs were.

Another World aired at 10am in the 80's in Australia and Search for Tomorrow was on too but may have only been in certain parts of the country. I know by the 90's AW was on at like 5am. At least where I lived. 

I don't think it was super popular, but enough that I do think it aired to the end in 1999. Days and Y&R were by far the two biggest. Santa Barbara was extremely popular too and eventually B&B.

6 hours ago, kalbir said:

Does anyone know the date of Jaime Lyn Bauer last episode in August 1982? I can't find it anywhere. Thanks in advance.

Friday August 06, 1982

2 hours ago, JAS0N47 said:

The preemptions are Tue 1/28 and Fri 1/31.   The first column is always the "Week of", so it's the "Week of 1/27-1/31" The notes column states the preemptions are Tuesday and Friday.

Oh right, of course. Thank you

7 minutes ago, JAS0N47 said:

I just looked at the January 1986 charts. YR preempted twice that month:

1/27/86-1/31/86    Young and the Restless    CBS    8.6    27    206    99    Preempted Tuesday- CBS News Special Report/Friday- Memorial Service: Challenger

Awesome, I had thought that was the case but could never confirm the Jan 31 pre-emption. Thank you for this

Is it definitely Jan 27??? As I thought it was Jan 28 for the Challenger explosion. That's interesting if it was Jan 27

13 minutes ago, kalbir said:

Big changes coming up on CBS: Y&R EP change from John Conboy to H. Wesley Kenney, Search for Tomorrow ends, Capitol premieres.

Wes Kenney was on Y&R from at least Jan 1982. We have the Feb 1st episode and he's there already. 

Y&R well into the 2000's had great production, acting and stories - if you discounted history/back story and character development.

Jill being Kay's daughter was awesome if you didn't know these characters well enough or had jumped on in the late 90's, say around the time they were fighting over the Chancellor estate. If you didn't know Liz Foster, you would never feel betrayed by what they did to her.

I did watch again briefly in 05/06 and the show was solid still, but being so well versed in the shows history and what it had been, made it harder for me to get into it as a whole. 

It wasn't that Y&R was a bad show, it just was a show that had in many ways begun to ignore its history, more so with character development. If I had begun watching in 1998, I would have loved this show throughout most of the 2000's. 

On 7/29/2023 at 3:53 AM, Broderick said:

Snapper & Greg had already been in a little dust-up about Chris Brooks.  (She was in love with Snapper, but Greg had a crush on her.  She ended up working for Greg, with Stuart Brooks underwriting her salary.) 

The point of Gwen Sherman seemed to be (at first) Snapper was an authority on prostitutes and recognized Gwen was a hooker.  If he told Greg the truth about her, it could potentially drive a deeper wedge between the two of them.  

Jill actually met Gwen first at Hazel's beauty shop and ended up at the brothel Gwen worked at. Snapper found her there one night, lol.

Six months later, when Gwen entered Greg's life, Jill told Snapper that Gwen was the woman she had been friendly with several months ago.

Days of Our Lives also aired in prime time in Australia for a period in the 70's, it was that popular and ATWT followed suit for a brief period.

Given how popular it was, there is a high chance channel 9 kept the tapes. 

2 hours ago, danfling said:

I do not know the name of the character, but actor Marco St. John (Dr. Paul Stewart on As the World Turns) played the role of the physician.

Erica had her abortion earlier than 1973.   (1973 was the year that Jason Maxwell was murdered.)

She tried to hide the abortion from the Martin family.  She had complications from the abortion and had to remain in the hospital.  Jeff and Joe were concerned about why she was ill.  I think that this may have been when Mary Kinnecott, R. N. was introduced.   (Jacqueline Bosworth was the first actress in the role.)

The Doctor who performed the abortion was named Dr. X initially but later revealed as Dr. Frazier. 

Yes Erica had the abortion May 10, 1971 and ends up with septicemia. she tries to brush it off as a virus. Dr. X wants to see her but she can't leave the house without raising suspicion. Erica is eventually rushed to the hospital. Though she had made it clear to Jeff she wanted an abortion, he isn't aware she had one when she ends up in hospital.

Mary Kennicott debuts April 26, 1971, just a couple of weeks before Erica has the abortion

3 hours ago, FrenchFan said:

This is a wonderful forum  Been there since 2005... I don't watch current soaps anymore but this is the place I come everyday to talk about soap opera history. So many great posters I absolutely love @will81 @dc11786 @depboy and so many many more  Thanks for this place !

Thank you, same to you. You have been so generous and I really appreciate it.

If anyone wants market and affiliates Broadcasting did a tv year book for many years and listed all markets and each affiliation

https://worldradiohistory.com/Broadcasting-Yearbook.htm

Hey everyone. I got a bunch of scripts from 1970 - 1971. Pretty much every script. Just missing Mar 03 - 16, 1970 and a few randoms here and there. I can't share the actual scripts but I am putting together synopsis that I will share this weekend.

The only reason I am bringing this up is because I just read through May 1971 and can confirm Erica had her abortion in Pine Charles performed by Dr. X on May 10, 1971. So this clears up a bit of history.

Erica wanted Jeff to arrange an abortion through proper means, I assume this meant getting one in New York, but he wants to keep the baby, she tells him either he arranges it by proper means or she will arrange it herself. 

So it wasn't 1973 as mentioned and it wasn't a legal abortion. 

11 minutes ago, JAS0N47 said:

Just saw this unique thing in the ratings, Had to do a little more digging in the newspaper archives to figure out why.

Any guesses as to what Guiding Light was preempted for the majority of the hour on 11/25/83??

Only thing I could see was a College football game Alabama-Boston. Was it something different?

Jason this is fantastic. I had really wanted to see the Iran Contra pre-emptions, thank you for posting these. Has cleared a lot up

6 hours ago, Jdee43 said:

Can anyone shed some light into why NBC bought the show in September 1980? Did Colgate want out? 

Instead of canceling it, NBC took it over, so I guess that means they still saw some value in it. You'd think, as owners paying no licensing fee, they'd give The Doctors better treatment and have more patience with it, but ultimately that just wasn't the case.

Based on the news at the time that I shared in a previous post, that Doris Quinlan and Colgate wanted Harding Lemay and NBC wanted the Ellis' to stay, makes me think NBC felt they knew better and they could bring the show around. I think it showed in 1980, at least, NBC had an interest in the show, enough to push back. 

Maybe the fact ABC owned GH, AMC and OLTL by that point and they were the top rated shows made NBC believe the problem with their line up was the fact they didn't own the shows on their schedule and they wanted more control. Cut out the middle man, so to speak. Just a guess

NBC bought the show at around the time of these last episodes. Aug/Sep 1980. That might explain it all. I am shocked they wiped episodes post 1980. Colgate would have nothing post Sep 1980 since they no longer owned the show.

NBC fired Doris Quinlan in Sep 1980, just after they bought the show and replaced her with James Baffico, as she and Colgate wanted Harding Lemay in as HW and NBC wanted the Ellis' to stay. The shows decline in ratings was blamed more on Quinlan. NBC even hired Joe Rothenberger as Line Producer as he had worked with them on ATWT. Though it was all for nothing as they gave Ralph and Eugenie the boot Dec of that year. 

2 hours ago, FrenchFan said:

Script from June 30th is from Kantor with Doris Frankel so he was HW at this point. Earlier in the year, scripts from February are from Robert Newman, David Lesan & Doris Frankel. Don't know at which point Kantor became HW (between March and June).

Script from Oct. 15th is still from Kantor with Frankel. Script from Nov. 3rd is from Lou Scofield with Doris Frankel so Scofield probably took over in late October.

Thank you so much for this synopsis!

Interesting, thanks for that info. So I wonder if Funt & Lesan were there into 1969? Then Lesan teamed with Robert Newman and Doris Frankel. 

7 hours ago, kalbir said:

Yes, I believe it was in the spring. Andrea was playing Patty when Dina arrived in June 1983.

I've narrowed her start date to May 12, 1983

32 minutes ago, FrenchFan said:

Thanks. I received a few scripts from 1970 with Kantor and Scofield as HW so I was wondering if you had more precised dates. Will work on the scripts and post summaries.

The last mention of Kanter and Frankel was Aug 17, 1970

The first mention of Scofield was Nov 20, 1970

I don't have anything more detailed unfortunately

Wow, I am stunned. Another legend gone. RIP Andrea. It sounds like she was an amazing person offscreen as well as on. I can't thank her enough for all the great times she has given me watching her on screen. 

Also shout out to her being brave enough to take on the role of Patty Williams just as that very long and pyschologically complex story was drawing towards its apex. That takes guts and talent. 

11 hours ago, FrenchFan said:

I am trying to dig more scripts from the late 60s' - early 70s' era for Search For Tomorrow. The HW list is not very accurate. @Paul Raven do you have some info ?

This is what I have if it helps for the 60's and 70's

Frank & Doris Hursley - Dec 30, 1957 - June 05, 1964

Julian Funt & David Lesan - First mentioned in Jul 66 but could have taken over from the Hursley's and were still mentioned as HW in Feb 1968

Leonard Kanter & Doris Frankel - No start date I could find only mention was Aug 1970

Lou Scofield - Mentioned in Nov 1970

Robert Soderberg, Edith Sommer, Ralph Ellis, Eugenie Hunt - The Ellis' script archive mentions Feb 17, 1971 until Dec 25, 1973 but the Soderbergs were there for at least the first few months

Theodore Apstein - Dec 26, 1973 - Sep 02, 1974

Ann Marcus - Sep 03, 1974 - Nov 1975 (Likely around Nov 21)

Peggy O'Shea - Nov 1975 - Dec 10, 1976

Irving Elman & tex Avery - Their script archive suggests Dec 13, 1976 - Aug 05, 1977

Robert Shaw - Aug 08, 1977 - Mar 1978

Henry Slesar - Mar 1978 - Sep 1978

The Corringtons - Sep 1978 - May 09, 1980

Linda Grover & John Porterfield - May 12, 1980 - Mar 1981

Harding Lemay - Mar - May 1981

Don Chastain - May - Dec 81

John Burnett & Millie Taggart - Dec 81 - Jan 82

Ralph Ellis & Eugenie Hunt - Jan 82 - Dec 82